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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Jul 2002
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I take no pleasure from the result.
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Drachasor
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Originally posted by Berzerker
Sorry folks, while I didn't support Bush or Kerry, I'm not interested in letting foreigners decide our fate. Hell, I don't even like it when my countrymen use "democracy" to decide my fate. |
Do you mean that in the sense of trading necessities to us?
Do you mean that in the sense of cooperating with us on international efforts?
Oh, you must mean our desire to mess up the planet via global warming, increase terrorism, and increasing our national debt ever higher.
Did you somehow miss the fact that humans are social animals and need to live and work together?
-Drachasor
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Gatekeeper
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United States of America
Feb 2000
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I didn't vote for Bush. I'm a bad Republican. I'm also a rare, dying breed of Republican — a social moderate and fiscal conservative. I despise what the Republican Party has become — socially reactionary and fiscally irresponsible to the nth degree.
That said, I also despise some of the crap I hear coming out Europe and other parts of the world. Hey, folks, I did my part and voted for the men and women who I thought would be the best for my nation. Some won, but most lost. That's goddamn life. Don't use it as an excuse to condemn every "Red State" American or every Republican because a good number of Democrats crossed the party line as well, and voted for Bush or some other reactionary-type Republican.
Insofar as I'm concerned, America isn't the only nation growing more reactionary. The nations of Europe and Latin America are following the same path, albeit with a different label. The Middle East? Hell, they've been reactionary ever since Genghis Khan ruined their golden age. And if nations growing more reactive isn't enough, then you've got a fair number of amoral trans-national corporations edging onto the playing field and doing their bit of schtick for a buck, a euro, a pound, a yen and so on, regardless of the long-term cost to humanity or the world upon which we live.
In other words, folks, the reactionaries are taking over the planet, not just America. Some of us just can't face that reality yet. The moderates like me? We're history. We're a dying breed. This world is no longer our world. Enjoy it, reactionaries. You earned it. I'm just hoping enough moderates survive the insanity to eventually rebuild what's left after the reactionaries are done bringing down everything that was good.
Heh. Yeah, I'm just a bit jaded about humanity right now. Just a teensy, tiny bit. It doesn't show, does it?
Gatekeeper
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Guardian
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Bergen, Norway
Feb 2001
time: 06:19
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No one is expecting America to sit back and let the rest of us decide what you should do and how you should do it. But we do expect you to be fair and reasonable and to at least listen to what we have to say about it before you make decisions that affect us. It's not about letting other people decide your fate, it's about common courtesy, really.
As for the election, I'm not mad about the result. I'll admit that I was a little surprised and somewhat disappointed, but if Bush is the leader the American people want, then Bush is the leader they should have. Fair enough. It's called democracy, and although it might not always give us the best solutions right away, it's generally better than any of the alternatives.
Hey, at least this time Bush won because he actually got the most votes, so we do have some progress here. 
Now, for Europe's reaction, our overall sentiment is that this is both bad for Europe and good for Europe. It's bad because if Bush continues his standing policy of only listening to those who agree with him, the gap between us and America will be likely to widen. At the same time it can be good for Europe because when we Europeans cooperate less with the US, we tend to cooperate more and better with each other. So, it can pull us all together in a way nothing else has for some time now.
As for the world outside of US and Europe, we are concerned…
Bush has already said he plans to remove Castro in his next term. We wonder who's next and how many more regime changes he is brewing on. A lot of people seem to think 4 more years with Bush means 4 more years of war and division.
I guess time will show…
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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:19
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Its not about letting them decide our fate, its about being friends, and caring what others think about us. |
We listen to them, we don't invade Iraq. We don't listen, we invade... Regardless of whether or not invading Iraq was a good move or not, we should be the ones to decide.
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Do you mean that in the sense of trading necessities to us?
Do you mean that in the sense of cooperating with us on international efforts?
Oh, you must mean our desire to mess up the planet via global warming, increase terrorism, and increasing our national debt ever higher. |
You forgot the kitchen sink. They had their chance to cooperate, they chose to let us fight the war. They chose to let us stop the Serbs too.
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Did you somehow miss the fact that humans are social animals and need to live and work together? |
Sorry, I don't socialise with any Europeans except for Poly. Most of Europe didn't lift a finger to help us so working together seems to be one-sided.
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