07-11-2004 12:11									#1
	Turn thread - 290AD Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Somehow, C3C tells me it's turn 144, not 165. Weird.

New Units and Improvements:

• Holy Grail builds Temple, starts Marketplace,
  
• Joyous Garde builds Marketplace, starts Granary.

Northern part of the empire.

The stack near Sexy Lumberjacks has 8 Workers inside, including Bill and Balduin.

The stack near Port Avalon has 14 Workers inside, including:
Concord, Ernest, Jonas, Mike, Moritz, Patsy, Tom.

North of Holy Grail there are 2 Workers .

Currently, Castle Anthrax, Holy grail and Dark Forest are a mess, because they can only grow at a decent rate by using the irrigated Wines just north-west of Castle Anthrax. So the numbers shown may vary based on decisions still to be decided by deciding...er... them. Just don't count on on them (both the numbers and the decisions ).

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	07-11-2004 12:13									#2
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Southern part of the empire.

Here's the staging ground for monkey extermination.

North-east of Siege Perilous are 3 Longbowmen.
North of Siege Perilous are 3 Workers (Bob, Dennis and Max).

In Siege Perilous:

• a horde of 31 Longbowmen,
  
• a lot of 17 Catapults,
  
• many 13 Spearmen,
  
• some 6 Swordsmen,
  
• some 3 Musketeers,
  
• some 3 Horsemen,
  
• a couple of 2 Workers,
  
• a couple of 2 Settlers.
  

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	07-11-2004 14:11									#3
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I propose that we use turn threads to describe current war tactics and short term decisions, like what to do with Workers, where to move specific units and other stuff like that. This would leave the Domestic Minister's Office, the Cabinet of War and Defense (C.O.WAR.D.) and the Foreign Ministers Office to deal with long term strategy. If you have suggestions, please post them there for easier reference later on. The turn-threads will be deleted after a while, so info here will be lost over time. If something similar has been stated before, I couldn't find it.

The current players in the turn order (right now that would be me ) would write down the short term decisions they made. I think it would be best for the game speed if objections presented here are only because of grave errors by the current player. Decisions like whom to attack, what to build and where to expand should be made in the strategy threads mentioned above, not here.



Having said that, I need some advice. I have never used offensive Settlers, so somebody please explain to me how exactly do I use them and not lose them? (Shdt, I'm rhymin' since I woke up today )



Turn report

The Workers near Sexy Lumberjacks will be planting a Forest, then hump up the Hill to make a Mine. The Workers by Port Avalon will be sent to various Mountains and Tundras to Road them. To loose fewer worker turns, the grup will be divided into smaller ones. The worker nort-west of Dark Forest will move up the Hil to start a Mine there. 3 workers near Siege Perilous will start a Mine on the Hill east of the city.

Our offensive stack will cross into Monkey territory and occupy the tile direct nort of Simian Deep. If nobody tells me otherwise, the Settlers and Workers will go with it. 2 or 3 Spears will be left in siege Perilous. We have too few Musketeers to leave all Spears for upgrades. Longbowmen will enter the city from the east and stay there for the turn. They'll have 1/3 movement point left - I'd rather not leave them in the open for any suicide attacks by Monkeys on Horses (what a dreadful idea ).

Port Avalon will be switched to Harbor.



Oh and by the way - since the general pace of the PBEM has picked up, I'll be playing and sending the save no later than tomorrow morning.

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	07-11-2004 18:30									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Somehow, C3C tells me it's turn 144, not 165. Weird.

Uh oh - you can't use C3C to play the turn. You must use PtW.

	07-11-2004 18:58									#5
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Ok, I will. But does that change the number of turns played?

	07-11-2004 19:27									#6
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I'm crunching some numbers for cities - I'll post some figures and plans late this afternoon if that's okay (I have to go shopping with the wife soon.)

Just quickly though - I see many inefficiencies in tile allocation and build queues. I shrieked when I saw coastal cities with Courthouses but no Harbors!

Settlers in combat are to create fort cities. From such cities your units can heal faster, you get an automatic road tile for movement, and you can deny the enemy strategic and bonus resources. As Simian Deep appears to be size one, it may be automatically destroyed upon victory - the tile would be a good fort city location (close to many other cities).

That said, I think 2 combat settlers is more than enough in this instance, as the area is too far from our core to keep long term - I assume we'll let CoD resettle claimed land? Have there been any discussions about land allocation post-war? Perhaps they could eventually palace jump and gift some of their northern cities to us?

Workers are for road building as you march, and sometimes to recreate pillaged improvements around fort cities.

If you search the Strategy forum you should find more information about war usage of settlers/workers.

With only 2 cities on hills and their cities so close together, I don't predict this war with the Monkeys will not last long. Unfortunately we will not be able to finish them off due to their island cities, which they can protect until Marines.

	07-11-2004 19:28									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Ok, I will. But does that change the number of turns played?

Not that I was aware, but possibly. PtW must be used though, or the next team will be unable to open the save.

	07-11-2004 19:44									#8
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I'll wait until tomorrow, but I will have to send the save around noon, because I will be going away for a day and a half.

Please post the comments on development in the Domestic Office and comments about warring in the C.O.WAR.D . It will be easier to track them that way, instead of jumping between turn threads.

	08-11-2004 02:41									#9
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Here are my ideas for this turn. Feel free to override, as I may not have an appreciation for the "big picture" right now. If people concur with these ideas for city builds, I will post short and long term build priorities per city in the Domestic thread, based on these starting points.

Legend

WF - Work Force
Q - Build Queue
spt - Shield per turn
City grid numbers - Number-pad directions from city tile

City Orders

Camelot
WF - 8,9,3,2,1,4,7
Q - Temple
Needs temple to grow without specialists

Castle Aaaagh
WF - 8,9,3,9-8,3-6,7-4
Q - Musketeer
This setup provides 10spt - perfect for military since barracks already present

Castle Anthrax
WF - 4,7,9-9
Q - Catapult
Work both wines to grow next turn. Catapult works well with current shields, but Temple needed for growth shortly.

Gorge of Eternal Peril
WF - 2,1,4,1-1,7-4
Q - Musketeer,Temple
Work grasslands to grow. Temple needed for further productive growth - judgement call

vs. need for forces.

Chateau de Loimbard
WF - 8,9,3,2,1,7,1-2,1-1
Q - Musketeer
Work plains instead of grasslands since surplus shields to finish unit - other cities can work the grasslands.

Holy Grail
WF - 2,4,7,3-2
Q - Longbowman
Longbowman matches shield output (5x8). After next turn, work wine to boost growth.

Swamp Castle
WF - 9,6,3,2,3-6,1-1
Q - Longbowman, Aqueduct, Harbor
Complete unit then start on buildings to grow city.

Cave of Caerbannog
WF - 2,1,4,7,1-2,1-1,1-4
Q - Granary, Temple, then units galore
This city has powerhouse potential - let's help it realize it.

Tim's Peak
WF - 8,3,4,7,1-4,7-4
Q - Aqueduct
Needs aqueduct for growth

Siege Perilous
WF - Sci
Q - Catapult
Catapult is the only appropriate build.

Witch Village
WF - 6,3,3-3
Q - Granary
Granary will accelerate growth. Harbor and Temple will turn this city into a $ city.

Joyous Garde
WF - 8,9,1,4,7,9-8,9-6,3-6
Q - Longbowman
This setup provides good spt for Longbowman (5x8) and helps growth.

Tintagel
WF - 8,9,9-9,9-6,7-4
Q - Aqueduct
Aqueduct needed for growth shortly.

Dark Forest of Ewing
WF - 1,4,1-1
Q - Granary
Granary will help turn sporadic lake and wines use into growth needed to use forest. Forest at 5 and 15 needs to be chopped.

Port Avalon
WF - 9,2,7-8
Q - Harbor
Harbor needed for growth

Sexy Lumberjacks
WF - 8,3
Q - Harbor
Harbor will be needed for growth


Workers

Kill the uber-stacks - very inefficient. Not lots to do that actually helps in the short term. Chopping by Dark Forest, road to south of Witch Village. Road then Plant over tundra penisula.

Settlement

Are we permitted to settle south of Witch Village (beside the wheat)?

Military

No options really - send SoD (Stack of Doom) North of Simian Deep


Edit - changed city grid to numberpad directions

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	08-11-2004 03:25									#10
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Wow, you have really done a huge job here, optimizing the use of tiles. Awesome.

But converting those numbers to the system I'm used to (numbers mean move directions, so north is 8, south is 2 and so forth), will surely hurt my head too much at the moment (plus I have a movie to watch ). Please, allow me to get to this in the morning.

I am, however, going to override some of the build queues you suggest, in order to settle fast in the north of our territory. There's easy cash to be had there. Again, this is about long term strategy, so please post in the apriopriate thread(s). I talked about the cash from coastal cities in the Domestic Office. We might need some talk about balancing units versus imperovements as well.


Finally some movement in this forum, other than my spam.

	08-11-2004 03:56									#11
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I know the number-pad directional system as well, it is just not my first language, so to speak.

If you're not going to play the turn until tomorrow, I will convert the WF allocations to your system later tonight.

As I said, feel free to override, as I don't have a good feel for our immediate priorities.

	08-11-2004 04:51									#12
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Message from CoD's Arrian:

quote: Octavian, This past turn, I moved CoD's attack stack to Simian Deep9. You guys can either sweep westward, or move to Simian Deep8, and once we nail that city, we can split up a bit. Your call. -Arrian

To respond...

The old idea seemed to be that we'd build a forbidden palace somewhere in Monkeyland and that that area would become a second core for us. No matter how we divvy up the land post-war, someone will come out have a bit of an odd shape, I think. But, as I always say: Attack now and discuss later.

The general idea at the moment is that we probably should move a good majority of our stack in a renewed assualt of offensive statments about the mothers of the Monkeys. I'd say leave a catapult, 2-3 muskets, and 2-3 longbows behind to defend Siege Perilous in the worst-case scenario.

	08-11-2004 07:58									#13
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City WF orders changed to reflect numberpad directional system.

quote: Originally posted by Octavian X The old idea seemed to be that we'd build a forbidden palace somewhere in Monkeyland and that that area would become a second core for us. No matter how we divvy up the land post-war, someone will come out have a bit of an odd shape, I think. But, as I always say: Attack now and discuss later. The general idea at the moment is that we probably should move a good majority of our stack in a renewed assualt of offensive statments about the mothers of the Monkeys. I'd say leave a catapult, 2-3 muskets, and 2-3 longbows behind to defend Siege Perilous in the worst-case scenario.

Separated FP core, eh? Hmm, okay. Sounds like this alliance must be pretty strong - great.

I agree we should be prepared for counterassault on Siege Perilous. Our alliance forces should not encounter difficulty being victorious without that small contingent - just be sure to offer up a prayer to the RNG gods before attacking.

	08-11-2004 12:28									#14
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dejon, thanks for changing the direction desciptions. It'll help my head a lot.

Now please, would you go to the Domestic Office thread for discussion about strategy? Please?

I'm onto it now. Will be sending to Monkey shortly.

[edit - turn played and sent]

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