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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
basic tab management isn't "bloat" so to speak. |
Basic tab management exists in the default Firefox.
Advanced tab management does not.
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the active bookmarks/automatic RSS feeds are pretty useless to me. i'll wager that most people don't know about them, or how to use them, and won't be using them at all.
and they're about as useful as basic tab management. strange, that. |
But they don't add any overhead unless they use them. Advanced tab management like you've described would need additional listeners, which uses more memory and runs all the time.
Stuff like Live Bookmarks only "bloat" runtime performance with a simple if statement in the parser, looking for the declared RSS feed.
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asher, i'm not talking whether or not opera is superior to firefox overall. i'm stating that there are two features that are relatively basic and wouldn't add too much to the code or overhead, and that opera's implementation of it and firefox's lack of it is still an issue. |
I don't understand why you think those are basic features. They are advanced features, and ones most people would not use.
I don't understand why they need to be bundled if most people won't use them, and they add to overhead.
They're not included because:
1) This is a 1.0 release, and there's still a ton of bugs to be fixed. Why the hell would they include even more advanced stuff by default, with low amounts of testing and high amounts of complexity?
2) Most people don't need them
3) Extensions exist for people who do want them in the mean time
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:18
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links2/links is better than lynx.
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I don't understand why you think those are basic features. They are advanced features, and ones most people would not use.
I don't understand why they need to be bundled if most people won't use them, and they add to overhead. |
i don't understand why you don't think they're basic features. how is wanting to rearrange tabs an advanced feature? how is detaching a tab an advanced feature? how is having the browser open up to where you were last an advanced feature?
hell, i'm sure a lot of people would definitely use session saving, if they knew what it was. i'm sure a lot of people wouldn't mind being able to reposition and detach tabs.
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1) This is a 1.0 release, and there's still a ton of bugs to be fixed. Why the hell would they include even more advanced stuff by default, with low amounts of testing and high amounts of complexity?
2) Most people don't need them
3) Extensions exist for people who do want them in the mean time |
this logic, mind you, could, and quite frankly, do apply to those RSS bookmarks as well.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:18
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
i don't understand why you don't think they're basic features. how is wanting to rearrange tabs an advanced feature? how is detaching a tab an advanced feature? how is having the browser open up to where you were last an advanced feature? |
Because that's not a basic use.
Basic tab management allows you to switch tabs, open tabs, close tabs, open links in the background, etc.
Detaching tabs, moving them around between windows, reordering them, etc. are advanced use that most people wouldn't use.
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this logic, mind you, could, and quite frankly, do apply to those RSS bookmarks as well. |
True enough. The thing is, someone made the code and it was of high quality already, so it was considered. No such work has been done for advanced tab management.
In fact, there are still significant issues with the "single window mode" with 1.0 that are being addressed for 1.1.
It's one thing to add a feature like Live Bookmarks, and it's another to keep extending more advanced features onto tab browsers that are still quite buggy.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
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Because that's not a basic use.
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Detaching tabs, moving them around between windows, reordering them, etc. are advanced use that most people wouldn't use. |
reordering tabs is hardly an advanced feature most people wouldn't use. it's really not all that different from repositioning windows on a desktop.
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True enough. The thing is, someone made the code and it was of high quality already, so it was considered. No such work has been done for advanced tab management.
In fact, there are still significant issues with the "single window mode" with 1.0 that are being addressed for 1.1.
It's one thing to add a feature like Live Bookmarks, and it's another to keep extending more advanced features onto tab browsers that are still quite buggy. |
i understand the code isn't there yet. however, what i'm saying, and have been saying, is that opera's implementation of tabs is better. hypothetically, were the code there and of high quality, it certainly sounds like you're dead set against its inclusion, and i can't understand why.
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