25-11-2004 10:03									#61
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...you didn't get them because I apparently forgot to hit send...

Yay me.

	26-11-2004 03:23									#62
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I wonder what's keeping Jonny?

	26-11-2004 05:33									#63
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Have you tried PMing him?

	26-11-2004 20:07									#64
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Sorry for the delay... a large part of the family has been here for Thanksgiving, so I haven't had much time recently.

Sent.

	29-11-2004 06:13									#65
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Day 3: The Wonders

Trade
Smiley--->Spaced Cowboy (3) caravans [27 gp] (9 gp profit)

Spaced Cowboy--->Smiley (3) caravans [27 gp] (9 gp profit)

Kassiopeia-->Sparrowhawk (3) caravans [27 gp] (9 gp profit)

Sparrowhawk-->Kassiopeia (3) caravans [27 gp] (9 gp profit)

Whoha-->Jonny (2) caravans [8 gp]

Wonders
Tower of Babel -- Spaced Cowboy (J3) [Dude Ranch]
Colosseum- Spaced Cowboy (I3) [Cowtown]
Acropolis- Sparrowhawk (C9) [Falcon]

Technology
#4 Architecture (6)
#5 Geography (10)
#6 Religion (32)

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Last edited by DarkCloud on 03-12-2004 at 09:22

	29-11-2004 06:14									#66
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Map.

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	29-11-2004 06:36									#67
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DAY 3: The Wonders

And up they did build, up up and to the sky- they knew no limit.

In the ancient age of 3000 BC, the Emperors, Despots, and Dictators made their people research grand technologies and construct grand strucutres such as the unparalleled and unequaled colosseum and acropolis.

Technology
Monarchy- Jonny, muxec, Whoha, Vlad Antlerkov
Architecture- Spaced Cowboy, Sparrowhawk
Geography- Spaced Cowboy, Sparrowhawk

Armies
2- Jonny
2- Whoha

City Construction

Jonny- Schopenhauer (C7)
Spaced Cowboy- Cowpatty (J2)
Whoha- Medial Nukisatn (C2)
Smiley- New York (K6), Vancouver (K7), San Francisco (L7)
Muxec- Far Maddening (F3)
Vlad Antlerkov- ChristTrubyLand (I8)
Kassiopeia- Mänttä (G9), Nurmijärvi (G11), Tampere (H10)

Foreign Aid

Sparrowhawk sends Kassiopeia Tech 4 and Tech 5
Spaced Cowboy sends Smiley Tech 4 and Tech 5

The Players

Last edited by DarkCloud on 30-11-2004 at 00:40

	29-11-2004 06:54									#68
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Looks good .....one question however.......

Did you include my trade income from Kassiopeia in the ending gold? (I would have thought I would have 77 gold right now) .

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	29-11-2004 07:52									#69
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Before I forget, I sent Smiley techs 4 and 5.

Yeah, we're going to have to help him with the gold calscs

I spent all my gold last turn, hence my gold this turn is

cities: 3*5*5=75
wonders 5^2=25
trade from last turn from smiley = 29

Hence I should have 129 gold.

	29-11-2004 10:03									#70
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sent

	30-11-2004 00:39									#71
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Sorry Spaced, I forgot about the wonder.

I've been trying to automate the game with a program and still haven't implemented everything yet- so please bear with me... When I'm actually processing orders it only takes me about 10-15 minutes right now- then about another 5 with the map and 20 minutes with the story. So I think I'll be more efficient as the coding gets fixed.

Eventually I'll be auto-generating the tables and won't have to manually enter things into them as I do now.

Last edited by DarkCloud on 30-11-2004 at 00:48

	30-11-2004 00:44									#72
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Spaced Cowboy

quote: trade from last turn from smiley = 29

I think trade was added- but I would assume you only made 18 gp because both societies techs were 3 when you traded... therefore 9 from you and 9 from smiley. And you spent some of that 9.

I think you forget that you spent some money on the wonder. I'm fairly certain that I calculated trade correctly.

You should have 103 gp... maybe 112 at the most.

Therefore, I fixed everyone's gp- added 8 or 9 to their limits as warranted.

	30-11-2004 02:38									#73
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud Spaced Cowboy I think trade was added- but I would assume you only made 18 gp because both societies techs were 3 when you traded... therefore 9 from you and 9 from smiley. And you spent some of that 9. I think you forget that you spent some money on the wonder. I'm fairly certain that I calculated trade correctly. You should have 103 gp... maybe 112 at the most. Therefore, I fixed everyone's gp- added 8 or 9 to their limits as warranted.

Okay you are not quite getting how this works.

1st, my bad, I meant 27 from Smiley TO ME trade.

Last turn I traded 3 caravans to Smiley....he did the same to me. So during last turn I used the 9 gold profit during the turn.

However, in the calcs for before this turn, aka chart gold, I get the full effect of smiley's trade from last turn, aka 27 gold (cost only to sender).

capesh?

I used all my gold last turn so I should have 127 gold.

	30-11-2004 03:36									#74
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And ditto for Kassiopeia and I, I think we both used our own trade income but the part that is missing is the other half of the trade income.

(meaning the same as Spaced, I got and used the 27-9=18 Trade Income in my production, I didn't get the 27 Gold from Kassiopeia's trade with me).

Hopefully this is clear.

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	30-11-2004 07:54									#75
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fixed. I think. Sorry.

	30-11-2004 08:47									#76
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No need to apologize, I think anyone who has GM'd this Forum Game can agree that this is a difficult one to calculate (and I don't think we have an error free one yet).

I am looking forward to seeing your program to automate the game, as it could help draw new players and make it easier for future GM's.

Oh, and by the way.........SENT!

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	30-11-2004 10:52									#77
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A GM'ing program, now that's a wonder of the world.

	30-11-2004 20:23									#78
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud fixed. I think. Sorry.

Not quite, you have me at 130, I should be at 127

Smiley's is wrong too. 4*5*5=100 plus 27 from my trade is 127 as well. You shorted him a city in the chart.

Also, most of the other ones seem wrong, although I'm not sure if they had gold left over from last turn. Please trust me that if you are having problems at this turn, it only gets worse.

For some reson the biggest error seems to be that you now gave everyone 30 trade instead of 27??

	30-11-2004 21:51									#79
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Smiley- spaced cowboy, send me your emails and I'll give you a version of the program.

ah, blst. I'll fix the trade down by 3.

	30-11-2004 22:28									#80
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Sorry, was busy at university. Please wait while I'm wasting your time.

	02-12-2004 01:17									#81
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Orders sentimificationazed.

	02-12-2004 02:52									#82
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No worries muxec- three others still have yet to send their turns. IT looks like this'll be a slow game.

	02-12-2004 03:45									#83
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okay, sent

	02-12-2004 04:03									#84
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oh oh, I see my gold is now at 74 and I sent in orders to spend 75. While usually if I was only out 1 gold it wouldn't matter too much but in this case I really need that one gold.

I hate to make Darkcloud recalculate again, but I think you had it right the last time (77).

I have 2 cities and am at tech 5 and I am in Despotism.
2 x 5 x 5 = 50 gold. I also received the 27 gold from Kassiopeia's trade. 50 + 27 = 77.

If I only end out with 74 gold I will need to send in revised orders.......please clarify

Thanks,
* Sparrowhawk

	02-12-2004 10:54									#85
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Sent.

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Fixed everyone's gold now- added 3 to spaced, smiley, sparrow, kass... and 2 to jonny.

Still need Vlad's orders and I'll wait for Sparrow to resend orders.

	03-12-2004 01:34									#87
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Ah, only three. Doesn't change my orders.

	03-12-2004 01:36									#88
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other note- fixed the tech prices- becuase smiley has techs 4 and 5, everythings a bit cheaper to upgrade now.

	03-12-2004 01:39									#89
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Other note: edited the first post with the new rule-

START GAME:
1 CITY, 15 GP.

Also Clarified some calculations.

	03-12-2004 01:40									#90
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Dang this turn was/is a mess.

Tech 4 cost 6 DOWN from 8
Tech 5 cost 10 DOWN from 13/14 (whatever it was)