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Republic (or Monarchy) trade: A Republic gets the bonuses both when sending and recieving. The trading partner does not get the bonus; a Despotism recieving trade from a Republic still gets base value.

As for city building, do it spaceship style, if land is scarce, you can opt to pay a premium on the land. This could get messy though, so I'd opt for Spaced's method.

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Sent.

	13-12-2004 01:00									#153
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(note to self-modify society rules with smiley's clarification about republic)

As for city building- I'm going to use my system for this game- whoever GMs next can use whatever system they like. I'll do it 1-2-1-2-etc.

	13-12-2004 01:31									#154
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I am sure you know what you mean by 1-2-1-2-etc........but I am equally sure I don't know what you mean

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Edit2: What benefit does the National Rifle Assosiation give?

quote: 9. National Rifle Association- The First turn of a declared war is treated like a sneak attack. Only border cities may be taken.

By the way I read that, the player with the NRA will have no advantage over a player without the NRA as they will be able to sneak attack?

	13-12-2004 03:08									#155
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Defensive wonder.

	13-12-2004 03:45									#156
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But what's the point? Does anyone actually use declared wars, anyway?

	14-12-2004 05:29									#157
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Sent.

	14-12-2004 06:02									#158
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Jonny- they used to use declared wars.

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still need Spaced's orders
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as for the explanation, sparrow,

Jonny- Build in A3,A4,A5,A6
muxec- Build in A3,A4,A5,A6

will end as

Jonny- built in A3,A5
muxec- built in A4,A6

It seems fair

	14-12-2004 06:49									#159
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Sorry, orders in the morning.

DC,

What we were talking about is this situation.

There are only 10 squares left on the map (all else has cities).

Player 1 wants to build 7
Player 2 wants to build 2
Player 3 wants to build 8
Player 4 wants to build 4
Player 5 wants to build 10
Player 6 wants to build 6...etc. Too many build orders, not enough space.

	14-12-2004 07:09									#160
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and in game 4 I processed orders in the order they came in.......first to send in orders got their cities as requested, last to send in probably missed out entirely.
(and assuming they sent in order, using Spaced's example above):
Player 1 gets 7
Player 2 gets 2
Player 3 gets 1
Player 4 gets 0
Player 5 gets 0
Player 6 gets 0

In game 5 Spaced prorated it, so to use his example:
Player 1 gets 7/37 * 10 = 2
Player 2 gets 2/37 * 10 = 0
Player 3 gets 8/37 * 10 = 2
Player 4 gets 4/37 * 10 = 1
Player 5 gets 10/37 * 10 = 3
Player 6 gets 6/37 * 10 = 2

Obviously both of the above examples depend on where the squares are available, and who has common borders to the available squares (though in this map with the wrap around sides, this is much less of a problem).

	14-12-2004 11:21									#161
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The intention for the National Rifle Association:

After the first turn of a sneak attack, the following turn becomes the first turn of a declared war.

	14-12-2004 11:27									#162
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But how is that different then a sneak attack?

If someone does a sneak attack, the following turn is the first turn of the declared war?

Or am I missing the point (as I suspect I am)?

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sent.

	14-12-2004 20:54									#164
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Is the next turn also subject to sneak attack restrictions?

	15-12-2004 02:36									#165
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*Edit*

People need to build more wonders...

We have two super-wonder powerhouses here and no challengers really to speak of...

	15-12-2004 02:52									#166
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Here's the Map!

Attachment: society6-7.gif
This has been downloaded 78 time(s).

	15-12-2004 02:55									#167
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We also have a huge great divide in the middle of the map!

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DAY 6:The Wonders

1500 AD

As the nuclear age dawns upon this preternaturally old grouping of societies, new advances such as Space Flight are discovered and traded, lending new power to old giants such as the Coven of Hawks and Imperial Finland.

In other news, the Coven of Hawks developed four new wonders, wowing the competition and becoming a major contendor for a Cultural victory as their armies threaten The Empire of the Spaced Dudes- after sabotauging the Emperor's development of armies.

Other empires made the change to republic- Smiley and Kassiopeia for two.

Elector Sparrow meanwhile renamed several of the cities he had captured from Jonny to bring them more in align with the rest of his empire's theme.

TECH COSTS

#9 Representative Government (39)
#10 Mass Education (94)
#11 Nuclear Fission (254)
#12 Miniaturization (576)
#13 Space Flight (932)
#14 The Laser (1508)
#15 Fusion Power (2440)

Espionage
Spaced Cowboy (2)
Whoha (1)-
muxec (1)
Smiley (1)
Sparrowhawk (1) - Sabotauge Spaced Cowboy's Army production
Vlad (1) - Sabotauge Kassiopeia's Army Production

Espionage End Game

Trade
Whoha (8)--->Smiley (552 gp/704 gp)
muxec (8)--->Spaced Cowboy (552 gp/704 gp)
Smiley (11)--> Spaced Cowboy (1089 gp/1331 gp)
Kassiopeia (10)--> Sparrowhawk (800 gp/2000 gp)
Sparrowhawk (10)--> Kassiopeia (1800 gp/1000 gp)
Vlad Antlerkov (9)---> Smiley (711 gp/891 gp)
Spaced Cowboy (8)---> Smiley (792 gp/968 gp)
Spaced Cowboy (3)---> Muxec (207 gp/264 gp)

City Construction
Whoha (6)--> Nuka-Nukastan (A1),-Nukitopia (A2),-Nukhopolis (A3), -Greater Nuktopolis (B1), -Lesser, Nuktopolis (C1), -Outer Nuktopolis (D1)
muxec (1)--> Helmholtztown (H3)
Sparrowhawk (3)--> Duck (A8), Chicken (A11), Goose (A12)
Spaced Cowboy (20)--> College-Station (I12), Brownsville (J12), Lubbock (K12), Abeline (L12), Plano (L5), Grapevine (K5), Highland Park (J5), Paris (I5), Italy (H5), Denton (G5), Carrollton (G4), Coppell (H1), Klondike (H3), Commerce (H2), Cooper (I1), Grand Pairie (J1), Eagle Pass (K1), Brazoria (L1), Arlington (L2), Irving (L3), Richardson (L4), Baytown (K2), Mesquite (K3), Texas City (K4)

Technology
Tech 9 Whoha, muxec
Tech 10 Whoha, Vlad Antelrkov, muxec
Tech 11 Sparrowhawk, Vlad Antlerkov, muxec
Tech 12 Sparrowhawk, Spaced Cowboy
Tech 13 Sparrowhawk

Armies
muxec ---> 6 armies
Sparrowhawk---> 114 armies
Vlad Antlerkov--->69 armies
Spaced Cowboy---> 80 armies SABOTAUGED!

Foreign Aid
Tech 11,12,13 Kassiopeia from Sparrowhawk
Tech 12 to Smiley from Spaced Cowboy

Government Changes
Smiley -- Republic
Kassiopeia -- Republic

Wonder Construction
Trans-Siberian Railroad (D8) 352
University of California (D9) 352
KGB (B9) 351
Majestic-12 (C8) 351

Wars
Sparrowhawk---Spaced Cowboy

New Tech Costs
#11 Nuclear Fission (51)
#12 Miniaturization (329)
#13 Space Flight (666)
#14 The Laser (1508)
#15 Fusion Power (2440)
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Possible Errors
Sparrows trade income?

Smiley and Kassiopeia's Final income... becaues I'm not sure the program did the halving correctly and I had to do it manually myself... wasting about 10 minutes doing so .

	15-12-2004 03:48									#171
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My gold cannot possibly be correct.

Sparrow...you want a piece of me?

	15-12-2004 03:57									#172
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Oh yea, that was retarded of me wasnt it DC, build no armies and defend that production. anyway sent.

	15-12-2004 05:14									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy My gold cannot possibly be correct.

Ditto, but I think it is easily fixed, I think all that is missing is Kassiopeia's Trade to me.

quote: Sparrow...you want a piece of me?

Not especially but as Darkcloud correctly points out, no one else seems to be building wonders, and I suspected you would build a few more this turn, so I declared war anticipating that I would have to take your wonders away from you to keep you from winning the game (Since no one else seems worried about that ). I really didn't expect to complete 4 wonders this turn

I am neither interested in a Wonder Victory nor a war with the Spaced Dudes, however I must play the hand I am dealt, and if that means attacking you, then so be it.

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Two questions for Darkcloud or anyone that cares to offer an opinion......
1) Can you use your spies in the same turn as a revolution (or do you even get a spy in a revolution turn)?

2) Can you provide Foreign Aid in more then one area? (Either two things to different societies....DrSpike gifts 100 Armies to Jamski and Technology #12 to Joncha, the same thing to two societies.....DrSpike gifts Technology #12 to Joncha and Jamski, or two things to the same Society....DrSpike gifts Jamski 100 Armies and Tech #12) The way I read the rules the 1st and 2nd are not allowed, the 3rd is.......but I am not sure i am reading it right

* Sparrowhawk

	15-12-2004 05:23									#174
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Spaced
I fixed that- not quite sure why it was wrong.

Whoha
I'll leave you some leeway and assume that you didn't use that spy.
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Sparrow
Your foreign trade with Kass- I'll recalculate.

Other than Sparrow and Smiley, everyone should be all right now.

As for your other questions-
1.) I think you should get a spy in the same turn as the revolution and that'll be house rules now. Though in future games, it might be a good idea to forbid them because of overpowering.
2.) I want to limit it in just one area BUT there is no law against sending both gold and tech...

as it is now you can only give foreign aid to one soceity at a time though.

What I think this game should run at least this TIME as is to forbid giving two different types of aid as that could be potentially unbalancing.

Therefor you could give unlimited armies or tech, but not both together.

	15-12-2004 20:49									#175
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There. Everything should be good and fixed now.

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	16-12-2004 05:44									#177
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fixed tech 11 cost- it's now 51 gp instead of 132... because I didn't notice that muxec teched up.

	16-12-2004 11:13									#178
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Sent Orders! (and they are long......I apologize in advance.....trying to allow for any contingency )

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	17-12-2004 19:51									#179
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sent

	17-12-2004 20:56									#180
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Sent (twice :squeamish: ).