01-12-2004 08:17									#301
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Elway never had a history of choking. Elway had a history of carrying an inferior team to Super Bowls. They always got beat by a better team. They never choked. Whatever you want to spin it is fine . Elways always had better defenses than Peyton did. And I think getting intercepted how many ever times by the Patriots isn't something utterly horrible. After all, they basically raped the Indy recievers.

And Manning has a better offense than Elway did. Name another Broncos offensive player from the 80's.

Especially a running back. I know names because I had to watch them every week.

But I bet you can't name one without googling.

Oh and guess who's doing the spinning now. Boo Hoo they held us. How can they hold onto receiver and intercet the ball 4 times.

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	01-12-2004 08:18									#302
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Nebraska's O and D lines were physically more powerful than Tennessee's. If he had won anyway, he would have achieved legendary status. I don't think losing in that case constitutes a choke.

	01-12-2004 08:22									#303
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Neither does losing to the 2003 Patriots. They were damn good.

Obviously, to win the Superbowl, you've gotta beat a damn good team. But it's the defense that needs to improve.

	01-12-2004 08:26									#304
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quote: At least Elway could win when he had a world-class running back.

I'm sure that was the reason the Broncs won Superbowl XXXIII .

quote: I can say that he chokes because he implodes when the pressure is on. TN-NE, anyone? IN-NE, last year?

Nebraska didn't exactly have a lay down defense.

	01-12-2004 08:28									#305
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Looking for Peyton's stats, I went to his official website

His stats haven't been updated since 2001!

	01-12-2004 08:28									#306
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At the time, Sammy Winder was pretty good. But, aside from Elway, the most famous players were on defense (like Mecklenberg).

	01-12-2004 08:29									#307
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Jag:

How about a shocker of an AFC championship game between the Chargers and Indy.

Wouldn't that be a hoot?

Chargers top Denver in the wildcard, Indy stomps the Jets.

Then the Chargers beat Pittsburgh by stuffing the run, and Indy finally storms the Pats.

	01-12-2004 08:30									#308
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Keep dreaming - just don't bet the house on it.

	01-12-2004 08:30									#309
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If Indianapolis or San Diego could make it to the Superbowl, they'd win. But they won't.

I'll grant that one of them can possibly make the AFC championship. But not both of them.

	01-12-2004 08:31									#310
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I do predict Indy will beat the Pats in the playoffs. 4th time is a charm.

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quote: Originally posted by pchang At the time, Sammy Winder was pretty good. But, aside from Elway, the most famous players were on defense (like Mecklenberg).

Sammy Winder.....



You must be on the West Coast.

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Ah, a man can dream, can't he?

	01-12-2004 08:32									#313
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quote: Name another Broncos offensive player from the 80's.

The Three Amigos!

Vance Johnson, Mark Jackson, and Natteil (Spelling?)!

Hell, they got their own nickname... do the Colts have a nickname yet?

quote: Looking for Peyton's stats

Try www.pro-football-reference.com

http://www.pro-football-reference.c...rs/MannPe00.htm

	01-12-2004 08:32									#314
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BTW, what happens with the seeding if a wildcard team has a better record than a division winner? It's gonna happen with the NFC this year. Seahawks don't deserve to be in the playoffs, but because their division is so incredibly bad, they will.

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quote: And his victories over Denver and KC in the playoffs count for nothing?

It took him four tries before he could win a single playoff game. He then won two... and then blew chunks in the big game.

He might win a Super Bowl... but he'll lose one first. I guarantee it.

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quote: what happens with the seeding if a wildcard team has a better record than a division winner?

The division winners get 1, 2, 3, 4. The wildcards get seeding 5, 6. Division winners are always seeded ahead.

	01-12-2004 08:32									#317
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Sammy Winder..... You must be on the West Coast. ACK!

I was on the West Coast. But really, I hated Elway because he always seemed to be able to beat Pittsburgh (where I gew up and the team I still root for). Funny enough, I can't remember any of Elway's receivers.

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quote: He might win a Super Bowl... but he'll lose one first. I guarantee it.

Staubach lost the first SB he was in... was he a choaker?

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Name another Broncos offensive player from the 80's. The Three Amigos! Vance Johnson, Mark Jackson, and Natteil (Spelling?)! Hell, they got their own nickname... do the Colts have a nickname yet? quote: Looking for Peyton's stats Try www.pro-football-reference.com http://www.pro-football-reference.c...rs/MannPe00.htm

The Chokers?



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	01-12-2004 08:35									#320
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Latrell Sprewell is definitely a choker.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: what happens with the seeding if a wildcard team has a better record than a division winner? The division winners get 1, 2, 3, 4. The wildcards get seeding 5, 6. Division winners are always seeded ahead.

So you can't ever play at home unless you win your division?

	01-12-2004 08:37									#322
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"Choker."

I can't answer that question about Staubach - did he have a history of posting major stats, and then losing the biggest games in his career, especially when it was his first time playing at that level?

	01-12-2004 08:37									#323
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar So you can't ever play at home unless you win your division?

Oh, wait, you can if both WC teams win.

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JohnT's feelings are colored by the fact that Georgia was Tennessee's beeyatch during the Peyton years.

So JohnT - how do you feel about Steve Spurrier?

	01-12-2004 08:40									#325
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1 Pittsburgh
2 New England
3 Indianapolis
4 San Diego
5 New York (J)
6 Baltimore

1 Philadelphia
2 Atlanta
3 Green Bay
4 St Louis
5 Minnesota
6 New York (G)

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quote: I can't answer that question about Staubach - did he have a history of posting major stats, and then losing the biggest games in his career, especially when it was his first time playing at that level?

Don't know about Staubach, but that describes Elway to a tee .

	01-12-2004 08:55									#327
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Naw, the Jets have an easy out, and Baltimore can't beat the Steelers.

AFC

1 Pittsburgh
2 New England
3 Indianapolis
4 San Diego
5 Denver
6 NY Jets

NFC

1 Philadelphia
2 Atlanta
3 Green Bay
4 Seattle
5 Minnesota
6 Carolina

	01-12-2004 08:58									#328
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The Jets have to play the Steelers too. Plus Denver just lost to the Raiders.

I like Jaguar's predictions (especially Steelers win Superbowl - that would finally give them one for the thumb). I question St. Louis and New York (G) because they suck, but then the rest of the NFC sucks too.

	01-12-2004 09:16									#329
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True, but I think Denver is better than both the Jets and Ravens.

The Ravens without Jamal won't make the playoffs.

	01-12-2004 09:18									#330
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quote: (especially Steelers win Superbowl - that would finally give them one for the thumb).

As good as Roethlisburger is, if Pittsburgh survives the AFC championship, they won't win the Superbowl over Philly.

That's the biggest advantage for the NFC Champion, is that they have a softer schedule in the playoffs compared to the AFC.