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PROJECT BONEYARD USA: A Battle for Hearts and Minds

News Flash: Apparently, normally mundane activities such as worshipping Rudolph Hess can be made more appealing if supported by a few badly played power chords.

In September 2004 a fascist record label in the United States claimed to be producing 100,000 CD samplers of 'white power music' for concentrated distribution throughout disaffected white communities across America - from coast to coast, in every state. These CDs are to be handed out in middle schools, high schools, university campuses, shopping malls, sporting events, mainstream concerts, parties, and via direct-mail schemes.

Although the concept of grown men skulking around schoolyards is disturbing enough on its own, the express aim of the propaganda drop is to lure white youth 'between the ages of 13-19' into the fascist movement. They have a name for their initiative: 'Project Schoolyard USA'. According to their own estimate, 20,000 CDs have already been pressed and shipped, while an additional 20,000 are reportedly on the way. As expected (and eagerly anticipated by the fascists), the hysterical media and liberal lobby machines have gone into overdrive hyping the situation, inadvertently adding fuel to the fire. The negative yet newsworthy representation of 'skinheads' is on the upswing again.

Fact is, these fascists aren't proper skinheads at all. They exhibit no lineage to the traditional merits of true skinhead culture, one that is rooted in working class pride and ethics that vehemently reject prejudice. Anti-fascists commonly refer to the fascist variety of the shaven crop as 'boneheads'. They've got nothing on real skinheads and hardcore kids of the street. Ultimately, they are the enemy of anyone who cares about the welfare of their scene and broader community.

To this effect, Insurgence has set up its own project to combat the influence of their opportunistic bullshit: Project Boneyard USA. The aim is to counter the cancerous quick-fix ideas and selfish motives of these sideshow hucksters. We're motivated to take action here, not simply because they sully the name of real skinheads in their bid for mainstream acceptance, but because they push their empty-headed propaganda on disenfranchised white kids. This social group is OUR natural constituency - not theirs.

We call on real skinheads and anti-fascists everywhere to remind these chumps where their place is. In the dustbin of history!

To help mount a counter-campaign in the same areas they are targeting for manipulation, we are offering a free music sampler of 16 tracks, available electronically (Preview the sampler on the Radio.Blog on our front page). Download the relevant materials below and follow the quick and easy instructions to run off copies, all from the convenience of your home! We encourage fans of real street music, concerned individuals and groups in the United States to produce stacks of our sampler to disseminate across the country.

In order to make a serious impact, the project relies solely on street-level promotion. That's where YOU come in! The success of this project will depend on the sheer QUANTITY of CDs we can get into circulation. We need your burning ambition to make this a significant campaign. We need to top the output of the opposition and show them that the kids on the street can think and act for themselves. Send the boneheads and their low-rent racket packing with Project Boneyard USA!

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Wow. This thread wasn't about Republicans or anything. This is the first time someone has used the word "Fascists" and actually meant real literal Fascists for a long time on this forum.

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I just found out my 18 year old sister who's spending a year in Germany as part of a Congress-Bundestag exchange program, and she's getting married to a former neo-Nazi who still shaves his head.

She says he's reformed, but as they say: "You can take the dog out of the fight, but you can't take the fight out of the dog, especially if the dog hates Jews".

neo-Nazis:
American Fascists:

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I just found out my 18 year old sister who's spending a year in Germany as part of a Congress-Bundestag exchange program, and she's getting married to a former neo-Nazi who still shaves his head.


Isn't 18 a little young to be getting married?

Is she aware that even if he is reformed (and we ought to give him the benefit of the doubt, people do reform, look at Malcolm X), his having been a member of a violent extremist movement may bar his entry into the U.S., in which case if she wants to live with him, she'll have to remain in Germany.

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I'm 21 and I've had only one relationship that lasted more than 4 months...

its cause she was supposed to be in Berlin and got put instead in East German, and she's a goth, and this is the exact thing that she'd do just to worry my mom

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I'm 21 and I've had only one relationship that lasted more than 4 months...

its cause she was supposed to be in Berlin and got put instead in East German, and she's a goth, and this is the exact thing that she'd do just to worry my mom

More proof that Liberals are hurting America.

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(Yes, that was a non-serious troll.)

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Wow. This thread wasn't about Republicans or anything.


Feeling a little self-conscious?

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Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous

neo-Nazis:
American Fascists:


Republicans

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Seriously. When was the last time that people used the word "Fascist" literally?

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Seriously. When was the last time that people used the word "Fascist" literally?


I know, I know. I even thought about putting (no, real fascists) in the title.

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I guess the Project Boneyard CD's punk? Is it any good?

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Fasci are a kind of axe.

Also, Franks are a kind of axe.

And Saxons are a kind of axe.

Hmm.

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Fasci are a kind of axe.


Actually, fasci were bundles of sticks, representing the tribune's power. One stick could easily be broken, and bundle could not; the tribune being the representitive of the lower classes in the Roman Republic.

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Also, Franks are a kind of axe.

And Saxons are a kind of axe.

Hmm.


Not sure you're correct here either. They were both axe-weilders, but I believe the axe had a different name.

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Interesting.

I too am shocked by the lack of reference to the republicans.

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Mmm, thoughts of res pubica dance through my head.

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Word History: It is fitting that the name of an authoritarian political movement like Fascism, founded in 1919 by Benito Mussolini, should come from the name of a symbol of authority. The Italian name of the movement, fascismo, is derived from fascio, “bundle, (political) group,” but also refers to the movement's emblem, the fasces, a bundle of rods bound around a projecting axe-head that was carried before an ancient Roman magistrate by an attendant as a symbol of authority and power. The name of Mussolini's group of revolutionaries was soon used for similar nationalistic movements in other countries that sought to gain power through violence and ruthlessness, such as National Socialism.


My memory screwed up wrt Franks. "Frank" is Germanic for "free" -- hence, the English adjective "frank".

Saxons: derive their name from "seax", a kind of one-edged sword.

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Fascism, modern political ideology that seeks to regenerate the social, economic, and cultural life of a country by basing it on a heightened sense of national belonging or ethnic identity. Fascism rejects liberal ideas such as freedom and individual rights, and often presses for the destruction of elections, legislatures, and other elements of democracy. Despite the idealistic goals of fascism, attempts to build fascist societies have led to wars and persecutions that caused millions of deaths. As a result, fascism is strongly associated with right-wing fanaticism, racism, totalitarianism, and violence.

Can anyone prove that fascism by definition is somehow evil and wrong. Fascism itself, does not actually have anything to do with ww2, gas chambers or jews. The persons responsible for all of this would have done so under any political system.

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The persons responsible for all of this would have done so under any political system.


Would all political systems have permitted these people to come to power? I think part of the problem stems from the weaknesses in the Weimar constitution.

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Would all political systems have permitted these people to come to power? I think part of the problem stems from the weaknesses in the Weimar constitution.


It also came to power in Italy, and had strong followings in many other Western countries. Had war not broken out, it's possible more countries might have fallen under the Fascist movement.

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Yet the point about the particular people coming to power also is important.

The combination of power under a Fascist government and the people in Germany wrought many of the evils there. After all, there was no Final solution in Italy or Spain, both of which had governments termed 'fascist'.

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Would all political systems have permitted these people to come to power? I think part of the problem stems from the weaknesses in the Weimar constitution.
I would blame the versailles treaty for german bitterness.

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I would blame the versailles treaty for german bitterness.


True, that gave Hitler the popular support under the republican system, but a republican system, even given one party with popular support has enough checks and balances to prevent much of what we saw in Germany.

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Can anyone prove that fascism by definition is somehow evil and wrong.


Fascism is right-wing. Is that good enough for you?

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True, that gave Hitler the popular support under the republican system, but a republican system, even given one party with popular support has enough checks and balances to prevent much of what we saw in Germany.
Even democratric governments have committed many atrocities. So once again, it has little to do with fascism.

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Fascism is right-wing. Is that good enough for you?
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The combination of power under a Fascist government and the people in Germany wrought many of the evils there. After all, there was no Final solution in Italy or Spain, both of which had governments termed 'fascist'.


Are you saying that there were some inherent qualities, or rather lack therof, in the German people which meant they were especially vulnerable to fascism and anti-semitism?

I find that hard to believe. For instance how would it then be explained that a whole German village was wiped out by the Nazis, because three of their members had been shot there. And what of the general oppression of socialist and communists, many of whom were shot "while trying to escape.". This not only under Nazi rule, but also during the revolution following the First World War.

The main reason that the Nazis came to power was because they were ruthless when it came to the use of violence, and that they were backed by powerful interests, at home and abroad. They were actually quite disdainful of ordinary Germans.

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Even democratric governments have committed many atrocities.




I have to concede this point to you, but I am curious as to what you believe qualifies as an atrocity on par with the Final Solution in Germany.

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True, that gave Hitler the popular support under the republican system, but a republican system, even given one party with popular support has enough checks and balances to prevent much of what we saw in Germany.


No it doesn't. The only thing stopping Tony Blair's Labor Party from proclaiming him dictator for life and outlawing all other parties is a respect for parliamentary democracy. The same is true in the U.S. and every other country in the world. Constitutions only work when people obey them. If you've ever read the Soviet consitution written under Stalin, you'd be amazed at what a wonderful documnent it was. If the government refuses to obey it, it's not worth a thing.

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I have to concede this point to you, but I am curious as to what you believe qualifies as an atrocity on par with the Final Solution in Germany.


Look at what Western Europe did in Africa. The big difference between the Nazis and other Western powers is they did what they did to white people. If they'd done it to others, no one'd care. Look at how Europe and the Americas focus on Japanese attrocities in Asia. We don't, and they were just as bad as the Nazis attrocities. No one pays attention to what Italy did in Africa.

 
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