22-11-2004 13:07									#91
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara There are a lot of prominent ex-pat Canadians in American culture. Are there many ex-pat Yanks prominent in Canada?

Only the odd CFL or NHL player or former player.

	22-11-2004 13:08									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Unlike in the US there is no overlap of representation between representatives, at both the federal and provincial levels.

Don't you have an upper and lower chamber of Parliment? If your system is based on the UK then you must have an upper and lower house thus won't there be over lap between the upper and lower house. I mean each person will have two representatives; one from the upper and one from the lower.

Also are you saying the provincial officials are the same as the federal officials? Wouldn't those be seporate offices thus you'd have multiple elected officials just like the US.

	22-11-2004 13:08									#93
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Political parties are private organisations with a public purpose. I don't believe in unlimited political contributions because I don't believe in unrestricted free enterprise. Funding is an economic issue. The governance of a political party is a freedom of speech and freedom of association issue.

	22-11-2004 13:09									#94
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In Canada you do not vote for individual politicians. Instead you vote for a party and the party decides who takes what office.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Don't you have an upper and lower chamber of Parliment? If your system is based on the UK then you must have an upper and lower house thus won't there be over lap between the upper and lower house. I mean each person will have two representatives; one from the upper and one from the lower.

a) The Senate is a joke. The best thing to do is pretend it isn't there.

b) Senators are not elected as representatives of the people. They are appointed by the sitting Prime Minister. I do not have a Senate representative.

	22-11-2004 13:12									#96
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what do canadians know about the Kohn Luttinger effect?

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	22-11-2004 13:13									#97
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Political parties are private organisations with a public purpose. I don't believe in unlimited political contributions because I don't believe in unrestricted free enterprise. Funding is an economic issue. The governance of a political party is a freedom of speech and freedom of association issue.

Except when it comes to muzzling MPs.

I'm not saying that parties should not have freedom of association.

I am saying the boss should not be given unquestionable power in the factory of our democracy.

	22-11-2004 13:14									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Alberta has more oil than Saudi Arabia does.

The vast, vast majority of that oil is shale oil. Because shale is a very friable stone with extremel low porosity and permiability it is almost impossible to extract most of Alberta's oil. Thus dispite having high amounts of oil in the ground Alberta's yearly out put is a fraction of Saudi Arabia.

In the US and Canada the highest Petroleum producers are:

1) Texas
2) Alaska
3) Alberta
4) California
5) Louisiana

	22-11-2004 13:14									#99
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quote: Don't you have an upper and lower chamber of Parliment? If your system is based on the UK then you must have an upper and lower house thus won't there be over lap between the upper and lower house. I mean each person will have two representatives; one from the upper and one from the lower.

No, that's not how it works here in Canada. Federally, in the US, you elect senators who represent the entire state. In Canada, we divide the provinces into ridings that are supposed to be about 100K people per riding. Therefore, you will not have more than one person representing the same area, each MP represents one riding only.

Senators are a different breed. They are appointed by the prime minister, and are not elected by the people, so they represent Canada as a whole, rather than any individual state or province. They are supposed to serve as a check, but given that they are lifetime appointments made by the prime minister, they do not check anything.

quote: Also are you saying the provincial officials are the same as the federal officials? Wouldn't those be seporate offices thus you'd have multiple elected officials just like the US.

Poorly worded. Each federal MP represents one riding only, and each is the sole representative for the riding. Provincially, each province is different, and they divide their provinces into ridings that are served by our provincial MPs, that do not precisely correlate with those of the Federal level.

So you have two systems overlapping each other, but each system only has one representative for one area.

	22-11-2004 13:16									#100
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quote: In Canada you do not vote for individual politicians. Instead you vote for a party and the party decides who takes what office.

No, just the opposite. You elect your MP, but you do not elect the cabinet. The PM selects a Cabinet from among the MPs.

	22-11-2004 13:16									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin In Canada you do not vote for individual politicians. Instead you vote for a party and the party decides who takes what office.

Untrue.

In a federal election you vote for the individual candidate who is running for the office of Member of Parliament from that riding. The major parties nominate candidates in every riding in the country (with the exception of the Bloc Quebecois for obvious reasons). Any citizen over the age of 18 is eligible to run in any riding in Canada irrespective of residence as long as he can gather 100 signatures of registered electors in that riding and can put up a 1000$ guarantee that he will actually properly file all his paperwork.

	22-11-2004 13:17									#102
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Che : When were you in Winnipeg ? I'm assuming you went to VJ's drive in or Juniors for the cheeseburger & fries. (same family)

Canadian food and American is very similar. Because we are less of an assimilated society (which I think is the Big distinguishing feature btw) we tend to have more restaurants where you can get real ethnic food - Ukrainian perogies, Chinese food not consisting of sweet & sour everything, Jamaican jerk patties, etc.

I've mentioned before, democracy and the "democratic deficit" is definitely a hot topic in Canada. Many, including me, are pushing for a more representative prop/rep system - www.fairvote.ca

Currently there is an election campaign in the Conservative Fiefdom of Alberta. The vote is tomorrow. The Conservatives will win the majority of the votes and, sadly, no-one around here cares.

	22-11-2004 13:17									#103
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Pass a law that the leader(s) of the parties have no say on local nominations for their party.

That would do more to reform government in Canada than 10 Royal Commissions and 20 plebicites ever could.

	22-11-2004 13:19									#104
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither I am saying the boss should not be given unquestionable power in the factory of our democracy.

If people agree to abide by rules by joining a political party then why should the State interfere? I'm in favour of a nanny state in economic matters, not in everything else...

	22-11-2004 13:20									#105
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quote: what do canadians know about the Kohn Luttinger effect?

It has something to do with solid state physics.

That's about it.

	22-11-2004 13:22									#106
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Pass a law that the leader(s) of the parties have no say on local nominations for their party

Why should we? Any individual is free to run. The requirements to get on the ballot are ridiculously low. If you want to be a member of a party's caucus then that party has the right to ask that you abide by the rules.

	22-11-2004 13:22									#107
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you would be correct

that was mostly aimed at KrazyHorse

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(I remember the prf talking about it in class, I don't remember specifics and it isn't described in any of my books)

	22-11-2004 13:22									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The vast, vast majority of that oil is shale oil. Because shale is a very friable stone with extremel low porosity and permiability it is almost impossible to extract most of Alberta's oil. Thus dispite having high amounts of oil in the ground Alberta's yearly out put is a fraction of Saudi Arabia. In the US and Canada the highest Petroleum producers are: 1) Texas 2) Alaska 3) Alberta 4) California 5) Louisiana

As the price goes up, the more oil comes out.

Don't fret son, our reserves are here to make the Saudis try to keep the price down. And when theirs is gone, then you can pay us in really big bucks.

Oh, and btw, the oilsands are just starting to be tapped. The technology to get the oil out of there is just beginning to be properly implemented.

Is this bad news for you?

	22-11-2004 13:25									#109
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quote: that was mostly aimed at KrazyHorse (I remember the prf talking about it in class, I don't remember specifics and it isn't described in any of my books)

He's not the only one who knows a little bit of physics here. After all, I was in honours physics and astronomy for my first 2 years of university.

	22-11-2004 13:27									#110
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Why should we? Any individual is free to run. The requirements to get on the ballot are ridiculously low.

Exactly!

quote: If you want to be a member of a party's caucus then that party has the right to ask that you abide by the rules.

and Bullshit!

We are discussing a single person being able to toss you, not the entire caucus.

Isn't there a bit of a diference?

	22-11-2004 13:30									#111
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Jon, about the only thing I understand is that it has something to do with the Hall effect, and that it seems to be a special case that arises in a specific combination of mediums.

That's about all I can do for you.

	22-11-2004 13:30									#112
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If a party chooses to run itself as a dictatorship then that is its right.

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse If people agree to abide by rules by joining a political party then why should the State interfere? I'm in favour of a nanny state in economic matters, not in everything else...

Political matters are the most important. Everything else follows.

	22-11-2004 13:32									#114
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse If a party chooses to run itself as a dictatorship then that is its right.

We are speaking of how all of us are governed, not on how the Woodblind Golf and Country Club wish to restrict membership.

	22-11-2004 13:32									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi He's not the only one who knows a little bit of physics here. After all, I was in honours physics and astronomy for my first 2 years of university.

You're not a physicist until you're done your third year of undergraduate. That's when you learn all the most important fundamentals.

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither We are speaking of how all of us are governed, not on how the Woodblind Golf and Country Club wish to restrict membership.

So don't vote for the Country Club candidate. If intraparty democracy is important to you then punish the parties which don't conform to your standards.

	22-11-2004 13:35									#117
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quote: Your not a physicist until you're done your third year of undergraduate. That's when you learn all the most important fundamentals.

My understanding is fine.

Just the math that I struggle with, and why I left in the end.

	22-11-2004 13:35									#118
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse So don't vote for the Country Club candidate. If intraparty democracy is important to you then punish the parties which don't conform to your standards.

You seem to think that our Parliament functions perfectly right now.

I'm not surprised.

Can't wait for Jack to get his hands on the PMO, can you?

	22-11-2004 13:40									#119
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I like independent (from their parties) politicians

it gives me more hope in their ability to do what is right, rather than just doing what is politically expediant

politiicians should only be held accountable to the people they represent, not to party leadership

Jon Miller

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quote: Originally posted by Uncle Sparky Currently there is an election campaign in the Conservative Fiefdom of Alberta. The vote is tomorrow. The Conservatives will win the majority of the votes and, sadly, no-one around here cares.

Some of us do, thank you very much.