10-12-2004 18:59									#631
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Horrible!
Also please note the pink balloons, it's clearly a gay conspiracy to take over Ukraine by force!

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	10-12-2004 19:13									#632
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Did you read my article above? Their slogan is "Kill Jews and Russians", so wtf are you talking about? What kind of connection between Russia's "puppet" (how exactly Ukraine is Russia's puppet?) and "kill Jews and Russians"? They "people" who openly agitate for murder of people of other nationalities support Yushenko and consider him as their candidate and you think it's Ok? Sometimes you westerners scare me. How anyone could be so blind?

You don't make any sense at all. First you make several examples on how you shouldn't judge a person by his relatives, but in the next moment you judge a person by a small fraction of his supporters. Stop flip-flopping.

	10-12-2004 19:27									#633
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Why are you crying?

Because its a show for a morons worldwide- "Look we are so kind, we are just a harmless kitties with flowers, who never hurt anyone and never tried to capture the power in an illegal way, we are f*cking ballerinas who posses no harm. Please share your sympathy, please support us! You can donate your money to any Ukraniannationalsocialisticfreedomanti-Russia'spuppetliberationmovement office located nearby".

	10-12-2004 19:30									#634
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom He's caught his foot on a Prague spring.

Surelly I missed something. Did they already brought Soviet tanks on streets of Kiev?
Do you really think such thing is possible NOW?

	10-12-2004 19:37									#635
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa Korpan later denied he said that in an Austrian Newspaper. He said he can't really say and need Yushchenko coming to Viena again for more analysis.

As I've said this article is no more than a BS, as well as Yushenko's story/

quote: Any way, Serb, the picture shows what your "revolting and violent" protesters are like...

Should I bring photos of those kind persons storming state's building? And actually it doesn't really matter how they behave. They could bring flowers to cops, they could sing them songs, but at the same time they paralize the work of the government. They do not allow personel of the Ukranian governmnet to get to their workplaces. They simply do not let them go through columns of protestants to their place of work. It's called sabotage.
It's against Ukrainan law. IT'S A F*CKING CRIME.

quote: He's crying now because he was wrong.

Last time I cried 15 or so years ago. I was sarcastic. Actually it's funny to see that many of you guys really buys this BS.

	10-12-2004 19:40									#636
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph This it torture! Do they force them to wear pink underwear too? This would be a crime against humanity

Sure they do.
Oranjevyi zvet vyzivaet agressiyu, tak zhe kak i krasnyi zvet. Blestyashaya nahodka polittehnologov Yushenko.

	10-12-2004 19:50									#637
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quote: Originally posted by Hurricane You don't make any sense at all. First you make several examples on how you shouldn't judge a person by his relatives, but in the next moment you judge a person by a small fraction of his supporters. Stop flip-flopping.

Do you realize the difference between what your relatives have done over 60 years ago and what your supporters actually doing RIGHT NOW? How they support you, and actually who are the people who support you?

60 years ago Yushenko wasn't born yet, nazi who support him, do it NOW. They exist NOW and they do it because they believe in him.
Because he is the ****ing nazi, just like them.

	10-12-2004 20:58									#638
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo quote: MEDICAL experts have confirmed that Viktor Yushchenko, Ukraine’s opposition leader, was poisoned in an attempt on his life during election campaigning, the doctor who supervised his treatment at an Austrian clinic said yesterday. Doctors at Vienna’s exclusive Rudolfinerhaus clinic are within days of identifying the substance that left Mr Yushchenko’s face disfigured with cysts and lesions, Nikolai Korpan told The Times in a telephone interview. Specialists in Britain, the United States and France had helped to establish that it was a biological agent, a chemical agent or, most likely, a rare poison that struck him down in the run-up to the presidential election, he said. Doctors needed to examine Mr Yushchenko again at the clinic in Vienna to confirm their diagnosis but were in no doubt that the substance was administered deliberately, he said. “This is no longer a question for discussion,” Dr Korpan said. “We are now sure that we can confirm which substance caused this illness. He received this substance from other people who had a specific aim.” Asked if the aim had been to kill him, Dr Korpan said: “Yes, of course.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1393172,00.html Christ, this situation is insane.

Sure, it's insanity that your media pulled out those "facts" out of their storage now, AFTER the cheif (Dr. Micheal Cimpher) of this so-called doctor Korpan disproved his statements. It was the initial statements of this Korpan doctor, he promised to reveal proofs of his so-called diagnosis, but later the CHIEF of this Austrian hospital (more experienced guy) diproved all his blah-blah-blah and said that they found nothing during examination of Yushenko.

This Kopran's statements are old news. And already disproved news.

	10-12-2004 21:01									#639
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quote: Do you really think such thing is possible NOW?

No and I'd like to keep it that way, thanks. Putin and Russia (and you specifically) have some dangerous political tendencies that need to be guarded against. I thought these tendencies were repudiated more than a decade ago, but there's a resurgence of late.

	10-12-2004 21:08									#640
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quote: Originally posted by Serb They do not allow personel of the Ukranian governmnet to get to their workplaces. They simply do not let them go through columns of protestants to their place of work. It's called sabotage. It's against Ukrainan law. IT'S A F*CKING CRIME.

Kinda like what antiglobalization protestors do in DC every year, huh?

	10-12-2004 21:11									#641
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quote: Originally posted by Serb So what? If his father was in Auschwitz and his family saved Jews during the Holocaust (more probably it's a fairytale anyway), this automatically makes Yushenko anti-nazi? Weird logic. As we all know, Arnie's farther was a member of natinal socialist party, he was a nazi. So, according to this aproach this automatically makes current governor of California a nazi, right? It doesn't really matter what Yushenko speak (lie). The more imortant thing is WHO support him. Ukranian nazi DO support him, he is THEIR candidate. Just in case if you'll say that Jews support him, not nazi, I would like to quote your own article: "However, Yushchenko's Jewish supporters are not without concerns over the strengthening of the Ukrainian nationalist elements in his party, which they believe could bring about an increase in anti-Semitism in the country."

Yup, there are ukrainian nationalist antisemites, who are a matter of concern. Are you saying there are NO russian nationalist antisemites? None in Ukraine? They too are a matter of concern. Whom are they supporting?

	10-12-2004 21:55									#642
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quote: Originally posted by Serb As I've said this article is no more than a BS, as well as Yushenko's story/

You know even less, so don't boast yourself with knowledge that you don't have.

quote: Should I bring photos of those kind persons storming state's building?

oww cute, go ahead....
Fact is that the protesters were very peaceful overall. Much different than you portrayed them 20 pages ago (or so).

quote: And actually it doesn't really matter how they behave. They could bring flowers to cops, they could sing them songs, but at the same time they paralize the work of the government. They do not allow personel of the Ukranian governmnet to get to their workplaces. They simply do not let them go through columns of protestants to their place of work. It's called sabotage. It's against Ukrainan law. IT'S A F*CKING CRIME.

No it's not. The right to gather and protest is a fundamental part of democracy. But of course you don't understand that, because you are living in an authoritarian state, where protests would be immediately and violently torn apart by the military and police...
If it's against ukranian law, then the law must be changed. The people have the power and if democracy is about the will of majorities, this is how minorities can get heard and their will must be respected as well and brought into accordance with the rest.

quote: Last time I cried 15 or so years ago. I was sarcastic. Actually it's funny to see that many of you guys really buys this BS.

In the end, sarcasm will be all that you have.

	11-12-2004 18:36									#643
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It looks like things may get "interesting" very shortly...

quote: Dec 11, 2004 — By Louis Charbonneau VIENNA (Reuters) - An Austrian hospital says it has determined the cause of a mysterious illness afflicting Ukrainian opposition presidential hopeful Viktor Yushchenko and plans to announce the details at a news conference on Saturday. Yushchenko, who faces Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich later this month in a re-run of November's rigged election, arrived at Vienna's Rudolfinerhaus hospital on Friday evening. He is to undergo further tests into the illness he says was the result of a failed attempt to assassinate him by poisoning. The illness incapacitated him earlier in the presidential campaign and has left his face bloated and pock-marked. "We plan to announce our findings at a press conference (at 1400 GMT)," Dr Michael Zimpfer, president of the Rudolfinerhaus, told Reuters. "We have been working at the speed of light (as) we were closing in on the diagnosis." Asked if he was going to confirm widespread suspicions that Yushchenko's illness was the result of dioxin poisoning, Zimpfer said: "We will give all the details at the press conference."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=320901

	11-12-2004 20:55									#644
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The Austrian doctors have now confirmed that it was indeed dioxin poisoning: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4088345.stm

quote: It is still not clear whether the poisoning was deliberate, though the head doctor of the clinic where Mr Yushchenko is undergoing treatment said it was likely to have been caused by "a third party". "There is no doubt about the fact that the disease has been caused by a case of poisoning by dioxin," Michael Zimpfer said. "There were high concentrations of dioxin, most likely orally administered." The doctors said their findings were backed by clinical observations and the study of blood and tissue samples - but that despite serious skin disfiguration there appeared to be little lasting damage to Mr Yushchenko's internal organs.

	11-12-2004 21:22									#645
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well, duh.

Also, duh to the 60 mil the state department paid.

Are you still clinging to your positions, people?

	11-12-2004 22:15									#646
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Yes it is in austrian news as well.

	11-12-2004 23:54									#647
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I think that Yushenko was poisoned by his own team.

WOW! I politically agree with Serb at the first time.

	12-12-2004 01:48									#649
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Look what the poison did to his face!!!!!!!!!!


I hope they can reverse it.

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	12-12-2004 02:26									#650
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He looks like the legendary coach of Dinamo Kiev in his last days.

	12-12-2004 11:17									#651
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Was he really poisoned or is he trying to cover up the fact that he's a reptilian shape-shifter, that's what I want to know.

Was the election really rigged or is it all just a ploy to oust the legitimate winner so the reptilian can get in?

	12-12-2004 14:34									#652
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Just like Yushchenko, this thread will never die.

	12-12-2004 21:28									#653
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quote: Originally posted by DanS No and I'd like to keep it that way, thanks. Putin and Russia (and you specifically) have some dangerous political tendencies that need to be guarded against. I thought these tendencies were repudiated more than a decade ago, but there's a resurgence of late.

Russians have a saying- it's better late than never.
We will bury you.
Russians are coming!!!

	12-12-2004 21:33									#654
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Kinda like what antiglobalization protestors do in DC every year, huh?

And Washington's cops never, ever did any harm to any antiglobalist or any other protestor, right? Sure American cops never tried to supress any African-American, Hispanic-American or any other riot.

	12-12-2004 21:36									#655
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Yup, there are ukrainian nationalist antisemites, who are a matter of concern. Are you saying there are NO russian nationalist antisemites? None in Ukraine? They too are a matter of concern. Whom are they supporting?

Russian nazis support themselves, since they are banned in Russia. And no nazi party can participate in political life of Russia. Aside Ukraine, in Russia nazi's demonstrations are banned by law and when someone proclaim nazi's speeches, he goes to jail.

	12-12-2004 21:56									#656
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa You know even less, so don't boast yourself with knowledge that you don't have.

Knowledge? What the hell is that? I'm sorry, I'm from Siberia. We live in caves, drink vodka all the time, play balalaikas and kissing with white bears.

quote: oww cute, go ahead.... Fact is that the protesters were very peaceful overall. Much different than you portrayed them 20 pages ago (or so).

Oh really? How the hell it is different? Did I said they killed someone? They paralized Ukraine. The country faces economical crisis now. The damge they caused is close to 1 billion USD (and its a sh!tload of money for Ukraine, considering their reserves is about 10 billions or even less).

quote: No it's not. The right to gather and protest is a fundamental part of democracy. But of course you don't understand that, because you are living in an authoritarian state, where protests would be immediately and violently torn apart by the military and police...

So, if this is the case, it wouldn't be problem for you to back this piece of BS by facts, right? So it is Russia where police torn appart any protests? Not US or EU? Can you name me a single case when Russian police used rubber bullets, water-jets, tear gas, etc to fight protestors? You'll make a great service for me, because I don't know a single such case. However I saw plenty of that in news from abroad.
Authoritarian state, my ass.

quote: If it's against ukranian law, then the law must be changed. The people have the power and if democracy is about the will of majorities, this is how minorities can get heard and their will must be respected as well and brought into accordance with the rest.

It is against Ukranian or any other law - to do whatever you wish and spit on law and rights of others.
If they want to protest, fine. Get permission from authorities and protest as long as you wish (if you don't harm anyone). What they are doing is violation of rights of other people. Other people have right to work, they have to feed their famalies and those demonstrants do not allow them to work and thus violate their rights. And you suggest they should change thier law to make such things legal?
Are you from Mars or something?

quote: In the end, sarcasm will be all that you have.

Oh sure, after your "observers" will make Yushenko new president and after he will f*ck-up Ukraine and when Ukranians who supported him will finally realize that he is just an uncle Sam's whore who cheated them, sarcasm will be all that I have. It was all that I had when angry mob that brought Yeltsin to power and later re-elected him, finally realized he is a ****er who cheated them and who f*cked our country.

	12-12-2004 21:59									#657
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quote: Originally posted by muxec WOW! I politically agree with Serb at the first time.

Yanukovich- tak, Yushenko- mudak?

	12-12-2004 22:02									#658
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Yanukovich- tak, Yushenko- mudak?

Aga

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Voobsheto eto ih krichalka, ya ee naoborot peredelal.

	13-12-2004 15:04									#660
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Knowledge? What the hell is that? I'm sorry, I'm from Siberia. We live in caves, drink vodka all the time, play balalaikas and kissing with white bears.

Siberia
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Play balalaika
Kissing white bears

quote: Oh really? How the hell it is different? Did I said they killed someone? They paralized Ukraine. The country faces economical crisis now. The damge they caused is close to 1 billion USD (and its a sh!tload of money for Ukraine, considering their reserves is about 10 billions or even less).

The economical crisis was not created by protests. It takes more than a bunch of protestors to destroy an economy.

Tell me, was the assassination of Franz Ferdinand the cause for WWI?

quote: So, if this is the case, it wouldn't be problem for you to back this piece of BS by facts, right? So it is Russia where police torn appart any protests? Not US or EU? Can you name me a single case when Russian police used rubber bullets, water-jets, tear gas, etc to fight protestors? You'll make a great service for me, because I don't know a single such case. However I saw plenty of that in news from abroad. Authoritarian state, my ass.

There are 2 types of protests. Violent ones and peaceful ones. The sole blocking of something does not count as violent and as I have not heard much of violent protesters. You have to see that a lot of people were very angry about the election fraud and that their votes did not matter.
If people destroy things, it can be justified to use water-jets or tear gas, but you always have to take care that you don't piss off even more people and I think the ukranian officials wisely did not use force. It just would have widened the distance between the government and the people, which ideally should work hand in hand.

I don't want to deny that the western world has some very serious problems with protesters too and we don't have the ultimate solution, but on the other hand you have to see that we have a lot of peaceful protests as well. And they can become quite large too.
In russia OTOH I don't know of any protests, which makes me wonder. Is everything running fine or are protests supressed by the government? You'd probably say that everything is fine, but I don't believe that.

quote: It is against Ukranian or any other law - to do whatever you wish and spit on law and rights of others. If they want to protest, fine. Get permission from authorities and protest as long as you wish (if you don't harm anyone). What they are doing is violation of rights of other people. Other people have right to work, they have to feed their famalies and those demonstrants do not allow them to work and thus violate their rights. And you suggest they should change thier law to make such things legal?

If it was always so easy!
Sometimes in the history of a country, it is necessary to do certain things which may annoy some people in the short run, but will benefit all in the long run. And I think you agree with me that fair elections and a president that is without doubt elected by ukranians solely is a benefit to everyone.
Who knows if the protests were really necessary or not, but if the people would not have gathered it is likely that nobody would have done anything, because "it doesn't really matter anyway".

quote: Are you from Mars or something?

Yes and you too.

quote: Oh sure, after your "observers" will make Yushenko new president and after he will f*ck-up Ukraine and when Ukranians who supported him will finally realize that he is just an uncle Sam's whore who cheated them, sarcasm will be all that I have. It was all that I had when angry mob that brought Yeltsin to power and later re-elected him, finally realized he is a ****er who cheated them and who f*cked our country.

No, there are two equal forces with contradictionating views that will make sure the new president will be ukranian's president and not "our whore".
Besides, I thought Yushenko (geez there exist probably a thousand different ways to write his name, what's the ukranian one?) cannot become president again?

Btw, I don't think he will **** up ukraine, much as I don't think Yanukovich will do so. But of course I trust the EU economy more than the Russian one, so I think Yushenko will do better.
The ukraine had long been under russian control and influence and yet it has turned out underdeveloped and rather poor, so why is russia as major partner the better choice?