28-12-2004 00:24									#781
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo The great "democratic" work of Russia: What will be next? Kiev?

You think it's NYC 9/11?
Nope, it's another "democratic" work of USA- Belgrad 1999.

	28-12-2004 00:25									#782
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Nope. That photo is misleading and misapplied. Nice try. And it was most likely the terrorists who are at fault. How about a real image?



Hamid Karzai... who was elected after the US and the Afghan people threw out the taliban! With 55% of the vote in a fair election, that is more fair then anything that is occurring in Russia.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb You think it's NYC 9/11? Nope, it's another "democratic" work of USA- Belgrad 1999.

Don't even get me started on Milosevic. That was his own doing. He brought along a lot of self inflicted pain.

	28-12-2004 00:27									#784
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quote: Originally posted by The Vagabond So, my friend Serb, we lost again. When is this going to stop?

Why we? Ukranians lost, not Russians. It's their f*cking problem that they are idiots. Why should we bother? Turn-off the gas, oil, close our market for their goods, etc. and let them be "free from Russia" for all they care.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb Why we? Ukranians lost, not Russians. It's their f*cking problem that they are idiots. Why should we bother? Turn-off the gas, oil, close our market for their goods, etc. and let them be "free from Russia" for all they care.

Nope. The Ukraineans won. You guys screwed up. You attempted to overthrow an entire country into turmoil. Not like you haven't done that in the past. The Ukraineans stood up against your aggression.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb Why we? Ukranians lost, not Russians. It's their f*cking problem that they are idiots. Why should we bother? Turn-off the gas, oil, close our market for their goods, etc. and let them be "free from Russia" for all they care.

turn off the gas to them, and you lose not only their market, but the Euro market as well. Wont happen.

Besides, Yukoshenko is happy to work with Russia, as Mr. Putin has acknowledged. All this apocalyptic talk has little to do with the real world.

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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Nope. That photo is misleading and misapplied. Nice try. And it was most likely the terrorists who are at fault. How about a real image?

Sure it was a terrorist. A terrist who piloted US jet that launched US cruise missile.

quote: Hamid Karzai... who was elected after the US and the Afghan people threw out the taliban! With 55% of the vote in a fair election, that is more fair then anything that is occurring in Russia.

Two rounds of Ukrainian election were a perfect example of honest election in comparison with Afghani fraud. People there voted with their finger tips. And there were thousand times more violation that during the second round in Ukraine, but nobody in the west didn't care a **** about that, since American biatch was "elected" a president.

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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Nope. The Ukraineans won. You guys screwed up. You attempted to overthrow an entire country into turmoil. Not like you haven't done that in the past. The Ukraineans stood up against your aggression.

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark turn off the gas to them, and you lose not only their market, but the Euro market as well. Wont happen.

We will go through Beylorussia. Nothing that we can't handle.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb Sure it was a terrorist. A terrist who piloted US jet that launched US cruise missile.

It was right that the strikes occurred in Yugoslavia....

quote: Two rounds of Ukrainian election were a perfect example of honest election in comparison with Afghani fraud. People there voted with their finger tips. And there were thousand times more violation that during the second round in Ukraine, but nobody in the west didn't care a **** about that, since American biatch was "elected" a president.

Actually election monitors certified the election in Afghanistan as open and honest. The Afghan election was very fair and very honest. The first two rounds of the Ukrainean election was dishonest and rigged. You are a perfect example of someone who is too gullible. You buy the words of your idiotic leader. Yushchenko won fair and square, as Hamid Karzai did. There were thousands and thousands less violations in the third round then there were in the second round. 20,000 election monitors will say the same thing to you. You are just foolish beyond belief. The third round was so fair it struck a new precedent in Ukraine's history.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb Sure it was a terrorist. A terrist who piloted US jet that launched US cruise missile. Two rounds of Ukrainian election were a perfect example of honest election in comparison with Afghani fraud. People there voted with their finger tips. And there were thousand times more violation that during the second round in Ukraine, but nobody in the west didn't care a **** about that, since American biatch was "elected" a president.

there may well have been as many or more irregularities in Afghanistan as in Ukraine. It was after all Afghanistans first election in decades, while Ukraine has had 13 years to develop political and civil institutions. However the election in Afghanistan was not close, and its certain Karzai would have beaten Qanuni and the others regardless, and there is NO evidence Karzai was in anyway involved in irregularities. The November election in Ukraine was close, however, and the December election has shown the result of a fair election there.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb We will go through Beylorussia. Nothing that we can't handle.

Spend billions, to depend on yet another vulnerable dictator? Putins smarter than that.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb We will go through Beylorussia. Nothing that we can't handle.

Yup. Im sure Poland will cooperate with your attempt to punish Ukraine. Of course, it only makes sense.

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Yup, Yanukovich is the man responsible for the increase in global steel prices thats helped out a steel exporting country. Yup, China has NOTHING to do with it. Kinda like how the rise in oil prices shows the economic brilliance of Putin. (oh and Kaddafi, Hugh Chavez, Sukarnoputri, and so many others.)

Yup, and Yanukovich's success at Russian-Ukranian talks about delivery of Russian gas to Ukraine for internal Russian prices that are several times lower than worldwide prices, has nothing to do with the competitiveness of Ukraninan steel on worldwide market? FYI, metallurgy is extremly energy consuming process.

quote: So will you know concede the economic brilliance of the democratic leaders of Poland, Czecho, Hungary, and the Baltics, all of whom are doing so much better since theyve left youre empire?

Poland is doing better than Russia? You forgive them their 50 billion USD debt and they have borrowed another 100 billion Euro debt just within few years. They are doing just fine, if you ask me.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb Yup, and Yanukovich's success at Russian-Ukranian talks about delivery of Russian gas to Ukraine for internal Russian prices that are several times lower than worldwide prices, has nothing to do with the competitiveness of Ukraninan steel on worldwide market? FYI, metallurgy is extremly energy consuming process. :

weve been over this, and why its rational for Russia to charge lower prices to Ukraine.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb Oh, my. .... His right hand - Mrs. Timoshenko wanted by interpol for corruption and shady deals.

Nice try, but the news you rely so highly upon has forgotten to tell you that she was there only for a day. When interpol asked Russian prosecutors for additional information and they couldn't provide that, she was removed.

Doesn't you feel it irritating when institutions such as interpol starts asking unnesscary questions instead of doing as told ?

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Yup. Im sure Poland will cooperate with your attempt to punish Ukraine. Of course, it only makes sense.

To punish? WTF? They wanted to be "independent from evil Russia", fine! Why the hell we should pay for this? Why we should sell them OUR gas for a prices established within Russian Federation that are several times lower than prices in Europe? Esp. considering that they do not pay even such low prices and only make their debt to Russia bigger and bigger. I say, they spit on Russia, we spit on them. No more kind play. **** them.

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark weve been over this, and why its rational for Russia to charge lower prices to Ukraine.

It was rational, while Ukraine was one of the four mebers of the economic treaty about united economic space between four countries, we have signed recently.
If they'll quit, **** them. It's stupid and unprofitable to feed the ****ers who spit on you.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb Poland is doing better than Russia? You forgive them their 50 billion USD debt and they have borrowed another 100 billion Euro debt just within few years. They are doing just fine, if you ask me.

Poland GDP - per capital
1989 - $2082
2003 - $5355

IE theyre doing better NOW than when they were part of YOUR empire. Which is what I said not that theyre doing better than Russia. Why misquote me when my actual words are a few posts up?

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So now, Ukrainians are not your brothers, part of your common nation, but ungratefull "****ers"

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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo It was right that the strikes occurred in Yugoslavia.... Actually election monitors certified the election in Afghanistan as open and honest. The Afghan election was very fair and very honest. The first two rounds of the Ukrainean election was dishonest and rigged. You are a perfect example of someone who is too gullible. You buy the words of your idiotic leader. Yushchenko won fair and square, as Hamid Karzai did. There were thousands and thousands less violations in the third round then there were in the second round. 20,000 election monitors will say the same thing to you. You are just foolish beyond belief. The third round was so fair it struck a new precedent in Ukraine's history.

No more chating with you, moron.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb To punish? WTF? They wanted to be "independent from evil Russia", fine! Why the hell we should pay for this? Why we should sell them OUR gas for a prices established within Russian Federation that are several times lower than prices in Europe? Esp. considering that they do not pay even such low prices and only make their debt to Russia bigger and bigger. I say, they spit on Russia, we spit on them. No more kind play. **** them.

how exactly have they spit on you?

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Poland GDP - per capital 1989 - $2082 2003 - $5355 IE theyre doing better NOW than when they were part of YOUR empire. Which is what I said not that theyre doing better than Russia. Why misquote me when my actual words are a few posts up?

Can you provide the data for their external debt for exactly the same years, PLEASE?
p.s. Just FYI, Poland was part of the Russian Empire untill 1917, not untill 1989.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb It was rational, while Ukraine was one of the four mebers of the economic treaty about united economic space between four countries, we have signed recently. If they'll quit, **** them. It's stupid and unprofitable to feed the ****ers who spit on you.

No it was rational cause youve got plenty of Natural Gas, and if you dont sell it to them, you wont increase sales anywhere else, and the lower the price the more they will use.

BTW, who says theyll move to end the economic treaty?

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quote: Originally posted by Serb p.s. Just FYI, Poland was part of the Russian Empire untill 1917, not untill 1989.

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quote: Originally posted by Heresson So now, Ukrainians are not your brothers, part of your common nation, but ungratefull "****ers"

They are our brothers, but that doesn't mean they aren't idiots at the same time and that we should feed those idiots.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb Can you provide the data for their external debt for exactly the same years, PLEASE? p.s. Just FYI, Poland was part of the Russian Empire untill 1917, not untill 1989.

a country thats growing rapidly can afford an increase in debt. Polands growth is broadbased, and appears to be sustainable.

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark No it was rational cause youve got plenty of Natural Gas, and if you dont sell it to them, you wont increase sales anywhere else, and the lower the price the more they will use.

It's very weird logic, if you ask me. So if you have a stokpile of a thousand units of something, which worth a thousand dollars and you have buyers who are ready to by 500 of your units for a price of 500 $, it means you have to sell the rest for a price of 10$, right?

quote: BTW, who says theyll move to end the economic treaty?

Yushenko.

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark a country thats growing rapidly can afford an increase in debt. Polands growth is broadbased, and appears to be sustainable.

Bs. They live in debt. IIRC, they don't have the surplus to repay their growing debt. Thier growth is a bubble.

Btw, can you PLEASE provide the info about the percentage of unemployed in Poland for 1989 and 2003 accordingly? I heard thier unemplyement rate was about zero in 1989 and about 20% now. I guess its another sign of prosperous economy, right?