23-11-2004 10:43									#61
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Yep, that just about does it.

Can you have negative credibility?

	23-11-2004 10:44									#62
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike Yep, that just about does it. Can you have negative credibility?

	23-11-2004 10:47									#64
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It's not my fault that you guys have a musical hive mentality with an appreciation with rubbish that everyone tells you is great.

Think for yourselves. Listen to a Rolling Stones album now, and I dare you not to skip any songs.

It's like torture...

They're a band that became big for their rebellious image and average music, and people started thinking it was good in their drug-f*cked state of mind.

	23-11-2004 10:48									#65
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Asher... when everyone thinks a different way than you, chances are that everyone else is correct. I know that is hard to accept, but try it. Maybe you'll find it pleasant.

	23-11-2004 10:52									#66
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who sez that the best music needs to be now? you could have put out an average CD today, but if your last 10 albums were money, that newest album doesnt mean anything. that band is still very good.

	23-11-2004 10:54									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Asher... when everyone thinks a different way than you, chances are that everyone else is correct. I know that is hard to accept, but try it. Maybe you'll find it pleasant.

Over 25 million people bought MB20's debut album. It is easily one of the best selling albums of all time.

Think about your logic carefully before you try to use it again.

Popularity means jack sh*t in music. Sometimes a band is popular and good, sometimes it's popular and ****, sometimes its rare and good, sometimes its rare and ****.

That said, my work here is done.

I'll let Imran extoll the virtues of Country and Busted extol the virtues of Soundgarden.

	23-11-2004 10:56									#68
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quote: Over 25 million people bought MB20's debut album. It is easily one of the best selling albums of all time. Think about your logic carefully before you try to use it again.

So 25 million people = everyone? Asher has some interesting logic.

quote: Popularity means jack sh*t in music.

But when you look at your Top 100 lists and the same bands start showing up near the top (Beatles, Rolling Stones, etc) that's a little more than popularity... that's a consensus. Ignoring it just makes you seem even more out of touch than you've shown so far.

	23-11-2004 10:59									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui So 25 million people = everyone? Asher has some interesting logic.

It makes a bit more sense than your declaration that everyone loves The Rolling Stones.

quote: But when you look at your Top 100 lists and the same bands start showing up near the top (Beatles, Rolling Stones, etc) that's a little more than popularity... that's a consensus. Ignoring it just makes you seem even more out of touch than you've shown so far.

So a few Top 100 lists = everyone? Imran has some interesting logic.

How do I increase the difficulty on this game?

Goodnight.

	23-11-2004 10:59									#71
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which pink floyd CD was on the TOP 100 for like 400 weeks?

	23-11-2004 11:05									#72
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike Yep, that just about does it. Can you have negative credibility?

That might be something that Asher shares with Cher.

	23-11-2004 11:06									#73
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quote: It makes a bit more sense than your declaration that everyone loves The Rolling Stones.

Look at their place in music history. Like I said, look at the Top 100 lists. Look at the numerous bands which have been influenced by them. Look at where they are ranked by musical historians.

quote: So a few Top 100 lists = everyone?

More like just about every comprehensive Top 100 bands list. And yes, that can be equated to 'everyone'. The critics of today and the musical historians of today will decide how these acts are viewed in the future. The Stones are already one of the Giants of modern music and will continue to be.

Yeah, I'd go with history's prouncement as everyone.

	23-11-2004 11:06									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Asher... when everyone thinks a different way than you, chances are that everyone else is correct. I know that is hard to accept, but try it. Maybe you'll find it pleasant.

So, if you lived in the 18th century...

Naw, I ain't gonna do it.

	23-11-2004 11:09									#75
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I'll answer it anyway .

Yes.

	23-11-2004 11:22									#76
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quote: I'll let Imran extoll the virtues of Country and Busted extol the virtues of Soundgarden.

Country

Soundgarden

	23-11-2004 11:22									#77
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hey asher come back and play.

whats the difference between MB20 and U2, what makes MB20 **** and U2 one of the best bands ever.

MB20 albums are all the same style of music.
U2 has american blues/folk (Wide awake in America) has rock/punk in Boy and War, finishes the 80s with Joshua Tree, considered one of the top 10 rock albums of all time, where they established their own sound, moved into the heavily synthzied Achtung Baby, then dabbled in envelope pushing music in Zooropa.

all that you cant leave behind returned to the joshua tree sound, with some pop mixed in, and now their latest album is full on pop

as you can see, the band evolves, and does different things. MB20 is stuck in a rut, and this rut is flooded with millions of other songs that all sound alike

	23-11-2004 19:32									#78
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quote: Think for yourselves. Listen to a Rolling Stones album now, and I dare you not to skip any songs.

That's the norm for me. Especially with Sticky Fingers, Exile, Let it Bleed, etc.

	23-11-2004 20:00									#79
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I've heard a few tracks from the new album, but so far only Vertigo has grabbed me. I'll likely still buy it, though.

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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia MB20 albums are all the same style of music. as you can see, the band evolves, and does different things. MB20 is stuck in a rut, and this rut is flooded with millions of other songs that all sound alike

Maybe you should listen to the albums first.

First start with Don't Play with Matches when they were known as Tabitha's Secret -- it's low-fi folk-rock, some stuff that definitely sounds like country, and even some blues. Emphasis on acoustics.

Then pick up some Bed of Lies or You Won't Be Mine off Mad Season, which are definitely jazz.

Then listen to So Sad, So Lonely off More Than You Think You Are, which is swing.

I'll grant you that the singles are very mainstream in style (but better done than most, IMO), but that's the purpose of the singles...

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ok, so because they play two songs which are swing, and two songs which are jaz, that 50 songs that are all the same type of music, that makes them on a whole different styles?

you look at an entire album, you compare that entire album to another entire album, and what do you get? the same trends, the same music, the same styles.

	24-11-2004 05:02									#82
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Nonsense, it's easy to tell apart all four of their studio albums from style. They all have different styles and flows.

I don't think you've heard the albums aside from the stuff you hear on the radio.

	24-11-2004 05:07									#83
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quote: Nonsense, it's easy to tell apart all four of their studio albums from style. They all have different styles and flows. I don't think you've heard the albums aside from the stuff you hear on the radio.

yeah, you can tell them apart only when you know which songs are on which CDs. musically, the style is all the same. trust me, i know music.

	24-11-2004 05:14									#84
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quote: yeah, you can tell them apart only when you know which songs are on which CDs. musically, the style is all the same. trust me, i know music.

No, because they're clearly f*cking different.

I know music, too.

<-- guitar and piano

I just look for different things in music than you guys do. I get into music a different way, I try to relate to it and...put myself in the song I guess. I can't ever listen to music in the background, for instance. It needs my full attention.

I think the people who look at music and constantly break it down to the technicalities of it all, without scope of the meaning, emotion, and intent, are missing the best part of music.

That's why I'm not a fan of most of the stuff you guys may like. While technically it's innovative or cutting edge or nice, it's heartless and boring to me.

The 'Stones have always been about the big-badass-image and show-band, their songs lack any emotional depth to them.

	24-11-2004 05:22									#85
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quote: No, because they're clearly f*cking different.

yeah, the notes are different, what the songs are built on are not different

quote: I know music, too. <-- guitar and piano

yep, those sure are credentials

quote: I just look for different things in music than you guys do. I get into music a different way, I try to relate to it and...put myself in the song I guess. I can't ever listen to music in the background, for instance. It needs my full attention.

me too

quote: I think the people who look at music and constantly break it down to the technicalities of it all, without scope of the meaning, emotion, and intent, are missing the best part of music.

trust me, im not missng anything. thats like saying you cant chew gum and throw a ball at the same time. you can do both at the same time. face it, MB20 is just a fluff band, and they are only in business because record labels sign bands who do stuff thats already been done because its a sure sell.

	24-11-2004 05:32									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia yeah, the notes are different, what the songs are built on are not different

You haven't even heard the four albums, man.

They certainly are different, and you can instantly tell which album it came from when you hear it.

You won't find stuff with a 65-piece orchestra on YSLU or MTYTYA, for instance...

quote: yep, those sure are credentials

12 years of music theory is better than none, and certainly more than someone who says "trust me, I know music", with a U2 avatar after just discovering U2 is derivative pop crap.

quote: MB20 is just a fluff band, and they are only in business because record labels sign bands who do stuff thats already been done because its a sure sell.

But that's total bullshit.

Rob Thomas was homeless for 3 frickin' years and could never get signed by a label. It wasn't until he built up a cult following at tiny clubs in Florida that people started paying attention, and they gave him one of the crappiest deals you could get: we'll sign you, but you get 2 days in the recording studio and you have to get rid of half of the band -- we don't like them. Further, ALL of his songs were copyrighted to the entire band, so he had to rewrite all of the songs for the band in the two months before his two-day recording session.

They earned their deal, they earned their popularity. They've never been actively promoted by their label (in fact, I don't think they've ever had an album hit #1 on the charts), they slowly and surely built up a huge fan base.

It's not the record-label-creation you make it out to be. If you knew a damn thing you were talking about, and if you truly knew music like you claim, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

	24-11-2004 05:40									#87
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quote: 12 years of music theory is better than none, and certainly more than someone who says "trust me, I know music", with a U2 avatar after just discovering U2 is derivative pop crap.

sez the man who professes to not break down music the way its supposed to be.

quote: Rob Thomas was homeless for 3 frickin' years and could never get signed by a label. It wasn't until he built up a cult following at tiny clubs in Florida that people started paying attention, and they gave him one of the crappiest deals you could get: we'll sign you, but you get 2 days in the recording studio and you have to get rid of half of the band -- we don't like them. Further, ALL of his songs were copyrighted to the entire band, so he had to rewrite all of the songs for the band in the two months before his two-day recording session. They earned their deal, they earned their popularity. They've never been actively promoted by their label (in fact, I don't think they've ever had an album hit #1 on the charts), they slowly and surely built up a huge fan base. It's not the record-label-creation you make it out to be. If you knew a damn thing you were talking about, and if you truly knew music like you claim, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

and you know why? because he didnt want to do it the way the record labels wanted him to. but when he stooped to their level and sold out, thats when they signed him. my point still stands: record labels singn bands who do stuff thats already been done.

	24-11-2004 05:47									#88
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quote: and you know why? because he didnt want to do it the way the record labels wanted him to. but when he stooped to their level and sold out, thats when they signed him.

That's total bullshit, you have NO idea what you're talking about.

I guarantee you that you've never heard a single Tabitha's Secret song, but here you are making up history to fit your nice little story.

Trust me, you know nothing about true music. Music is all about feeling and emotion.

Songs like this are nothing but heartless crap, regardless of if they used experimental tempos or riffs... :

quote: I can’t get no satisfaction, I can’t get no satisfaction. ’cause I try and I try and I try and I try. I can’t get no, I can’t get no. When I’m drivin’ in my car And that man comes on the radio And he’s tellin’ me more and more About some useless information Supposed to fire my imagination. I can’t get no, oh no no no. Hey hey hey, that’s what I say. I can’t get no satisfaction, I can’t get no satisfaction. ’cause I try and I try and I try and I try. I can’t get no, I can’t get no. When I’m watchin’ my tv And that man comes on to tell me How white my shirts can be. Well he can’t be a man ’cause he doesn’t smoke The same cigarrettes as me. I can’t get no, oh no no no. Hey hey hey, that’s what I say. I can’t get no satisfaction, I can’t get no girl with action. ’cause I try and I try and I try and I try. I can’t get no, I can’t get no. When I’m ridin’ round the world And I’m doin’ this and I’m signing that And I’m tryin’ to make some girl Who tells me baby better come back later next week ’cause you see I’m on losing streak. I can’t get no, oh no no no. Hey hey hey, that’s what I say. I can’t get no, I can’t get no, I can’t get no satisfaction, No satisfaction, no satisfaction, no satisfaction

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quote: Music is all about feeling and emotion.

Trying to get laid isn't emotion? What are you a woman now (feeling has to be love or some BS)? Every guy knows the songs about trying to get laid display powerful emotions .

Besides, if you are looking for emotion, then you should love Green Day's new album... it's about how pissed off they are that George W. Bush won .

	24-11-2004 06:09									#90
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quote: Trying to get laid isn't emotion? What are you a woman now? Every guy knows the best songs are about trying to get laid .

Some of us don't need to try.

If that's the height of your emotion, I can see how you don't have a problem with empty crap like that.

quote: Besides, if you are looking for emotion, then you should love Green Day's new album... it's about how pissed off they are that George W. Bush won .

I've heard the album in full on the radio the night before it launched.

I don't consider political songs to be especially emotional. And there are way better political songs, some more subtle (I like it that way), than what Green Day has just put out. They hit you over the head with it. It reminds me a lot of Sum41's latest single, which is equally crap.

A good political song is Incubus' Talk Show on Mute. It's more...intelligent...than Green Day's in-your-face political rant.

quote: Take a bow Pack on powder Wash 'em out with buzzing lights Pay an audience to care 'Impress me' personality Still and transfixed The electric sheep are dreaming of your face Enjoy you from the chemical Comfort of America Come one, come all Into nineteen-eightyfour Yeah, three, two, one... Lights! cameras! Transaction! Quick, Your time is almost up Make all forget that they're the moth Edging in towards the flame Burning to obscurity Still and transfixed The electric sheep but dreaming up your fate We judge you from the card castle Comfort of America Come one, come all Into nineteen-eightyfour Yeah, three, two, one... Lights! camera! Yeah! Come one, come all Into Nineteen-eightyfour Yeah, three, two, one... Lights, cameras! Transaction! Come one, come all Into Nineteen-eightyfour Yeah, three, two, one... Lights, cameras! Transaction! Your foundation is canyoning Fault lines should be worn with pride I hate to say it (but) You're so much more, You're so much more endearing with the sound turned off