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Canada
Aug 2001
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Originally posted by Asher
Over 25 million people bought MB20's debut album. It is easily one of the best selling albums of all time.
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Then over half of those people got scammed, since Yourself or Someone Like You only sold 12 million copies.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:18
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Once again... is frustration about not getting some not an emotion? Why are you trying to dodge the question? Is the only 'feeling and emotion' about a broken heart or being lonely? |
I've said earlier I was referring to emotional depth.
Changing "I can't get no satisfaction" repeatedly is certainly an emotion, but it's a pretty frickin' shallow one.
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And why do you feel the need to throw in strawmen like 'the height of your emotion'? Do you deny its an emotion altogether? |
"Strawmen"...you rang? 
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You want to hear deep emotion? "Sticky Fingers" by the Stones hits the bill, especially since it was done in some troubled times of the personal life of the band. |
Oi. I'm going to randomly pull a song from that album for ya:
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Gold coast slave ship bound for cotton fields,
Sold in a market down in New Orleans.
Scarred old slaver know he's doin' alright.
Hear him whip the women just around midnight.
Ah Brown Sugar how come you taste so good
(A - ha) Brown Sugar, just like a young girl should
A - huh.
Drums beating, cold English blood runs hot,
Lady of the house wond'rin where it's gonna stop.
House boy knows that he's doin' alright.
You should a heard him just around midnight.
Ah Brown Sugar how come you taste so good
(A - ha) Brown Sugar, just like a black girl should
A - huh.
I bet your mama was a tent show queen, and all her boy
Friends were sweet sixteen.
I'm no schoolboy but I know what I like,
You should have heard me just around midnight.
Ah Brown Sugar how come you taste so good
(A - ha) Brown Sugar, just like a young girl should.
I said yeah, I said yeah, I said yeah, I said
Oh just like a, just like a black girl should.
I said yeah, I said yeah, I said yeah, I said
Oh just like, just like a black girl should. |
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And it's interesting to hear someone who 'knows music' to only consider lyrics as the gateway to the emotion in a song. This ain't poetry... there is that song behind the words . |
I never said I considered lyrics the only gateway to emotion in the song (there you go again with your strawmen). It's just not very conducive arguing anything else, especially with text only...
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The best songs are the ones that you can make your own. They don't beat you over the head with their meaning, they're abstract and subtle enough for you to inject your own. You can mould them to mean what you want them to mean, depending what you're going through.
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Imran Siddiqui
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The Potterverse
Jan 1970
time: 00:18
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I've said earlier I was referring to emotional depth. |
Ah, yes... boring songs about being depressed and wanting the girl you can't have. Do you also like to watch the chick flicks for their 'emotional depth'? After all, all I hear from women is that those chick flicks have more emotional depth than action flicks or war movies or crime dramas, etc.
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I'm going to randomly pull a song from that album for ya: |
Yes and? Are you of the opinion that Jagger is singing about how he wishes he was whipping black women? If you want your emotional depth, what about what is elicited from those hearing how a racist is enjoying whipping and raping black women? Powerful song.
It has incredibly feeling when you add the guitars and drums.
And I find it interesting that you chastise people for pointing at MB20 singles, but yet with the Rolling Stones, what do you go for? That's right, the singles.
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It's just not very conducive arguing anything else, especially with text only... |
Wait... so since you don't think it's conducing arguing about the feeling coming from the music, because we are using text, you aren't going to argue it at all?  Music is probably more important than the lyrics in providing feeling.
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The best songs are the ones that you can make your own. |
No... the best songs are the ones you can feel the power behind the music and lyrics. One that you can 'groove' to, so to speak.
Last edited by Imran Siddiqui on 24-11-2004 at 06:48
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:18
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Ah, yes... boring songs about being depressed and wanting the girl you can't have. Do you also like to watch the chick flicks for their 'emotional depth'? |
Chick flicks seldom have emotional depth, they're a lot like mainstream pop music actually.
Films with emotional depth are Forest Gump, Schindler's List, etc.
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Yes and? Are you of the opinion that Jagger is singing about how he wishes he was whipping black women? If you want your emotional depth, what about what is elicited from those hearing how a racist is enjoying whipping and raping black women? Powerful song.
It has incredibly feeling when you add the guitars and drums. |
I'm of the opinion that the song was a blatant attention-grab, as part of their image. Marketing...
This is the same band that tried to rub off the imagine that they were satanic, supposedly, and then came out songs like "Dancing with Mr. D"
The Stones were a brilliant marketing attempt that captured their target audience. Congratulations. 
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And I find it interesting that you chastise people for pointing at MB20 singles, but yet with the Rolling Stones, what do you go for? That's right, the singles. |
Actually it was the first track on the album when I went to look up the album's lyrics. I had no idea it was a single. I wasn't around back then.
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Wait... so since you don't think it's conducing arguing about the feeling coming from the music, because we are using text, you aren't going to argue it at all? Music is probably more important than the lyrics in providing feeling. |
They're both obviously vital. Some songs are so powerful that they don't need it (like the best classical, and even some modern stuff like the Requiem for a Dream theme, which is brilliant)
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No... the best songs are the ones you can feel the power behind the music and lyrics. One that you can 'groove' to, so to speak. |
The best songs have both. And that's one thing that's awesome about Rob Thomas, is he really, really gets into the songs when he sings.
You should see him perform live. He's not strutting around doing chicken-dancing like an idiot, he's getting very into the music. He's contorting his face and singing with so much power and emotion that he looks like a goddamn idiot, but the raw power behind the performance is unmatched by live performances like The Stones do.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:18
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Imran...all of the poorly researched articles in the world aren't going to help you on this one (the Michael Jackson Fanclub this time -- dude, how desperate are you...).
This is fact, given by your very sources:
US: 12 x platinum
AU: 8 x platinum
NZ: 5 x platinum
Then at the same time you assert contradicting numbers (14M and 15M), both of which don't make sense given the platinum figures from your same sources.
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Got anything which says the worldwide sales for the album are over 15 million in total? I have a strong feeling that those platinum numbers are for the album and total number of singles. |
That's not how platinum certification works...look it up on the RIAA site yourself.
These numbers are CERTIFICATION numbers, from the record company itself, which are official. I can only find three of these numbers (US, AU, and NZ), but it easily puts album sales well above 25M.
I don't know of any sites off hand which calculate the total, because I don't think it's available -- no one has done it officially. Which is probably why these wingnuts make up their own figures at whim.
But we do know it's at least 20 x platinum in 3 countries, which would contradict your 14 or 15M easily.
The argument that RIAA counts MB20's singles in with the albums to inflate the number is really incredibly desperate of you -- though not as desperate as linking to the Michael Jackson Fanclub as a source. 
I don't even know why you're arguing this. MB20 is an insanely popular rock band these days. Are you disagreeing or something?
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:18
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Imran...official numbers disagree with you.
I'm sorry, but you've been pwn3d.
All the attempts to pretend you won are likely to succeed for you, but the fact remains that the people who actually keep track of these sales -- the RIAA -- say 25M were sold in 3 countries since 1996 when it became available.
I really don't care that you chose to believe summaries written by webmasters who used information from we-don't-know-when (they don't even cite the source), but the official numbers disagree.
I know what the website says, but I don't understand why you're being so silly. The people who know how much the album sold is the record label. The band hires some small company to do its website.
The official numbers, the real numbers, come from the only people who actually know how many it sold -- and that's the RIAA. Your own sources show the figure to be at least 25M, but you choose to ignore that and instead harp about an out-of-date website which says the band was formed in 1998, quoting figures which directly contradict official RIAA sources...
You've been pwn3d, accept it. Live with it. Embrace it.
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