09-12-2004 09:48									#271
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How long does it take to RoP with GoW? If we offer it, can they accept, and use it?

Besides, why didn't we RoP with them before?

DeepO

	09-12-2004 09:50									#272
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The marines by Quanto, can they be picked up with a transport and moved into NI? They would not have any moves left after that, but could be used for rushes later or free up a few units for other things?

	09-12-2004 09:51									#273
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Man... I knew I had to wait. The best ideas always come at night (close to the morning even)... this certainly is worth looking into.

BTW, Aeson, do you have a map of what we know now of Legoland, or do you want me to post one?

DeepO

	09-12-2004 09:53									#274
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 The marines by Quanto, can they be picked up with a transport and moved into NI? They would not have any moves left after that, but could be used for rushes later or free up a few units for other things?

No, not unless we only ship 3 transports to Quanto. Getting back requires 2 transports because of the chaining. I think.

DeepO

	09-12-2004 10:01									#275
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We might have one problem with getting to Stanwix. Lego still has a considerable patch of forest and jungle left near Dye fields. If jungle has been left, I doubt it is RRed, killing all our movement.

For all the strategic miracles we have seen, they surely suck at improving their land... tiles not even improved yet, while clearly in the influence of cities. Cities spaced so that perfectly useable tiles go to waste... sigh. A mircomanager's nightmare!

DeepO

	09-12-2004 10:35									#276
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Okay, this is it for today. 6.30 am, time to hit the sack. Let's see what tomorrow brings

DeepO

	09-12-2004 15:23									#277
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quote: 11. City 2 will have 29 captured artillery from taking Stanwix. Use that to destroy the forest (taking the road and RR with you).

Forest doesn't get destroyed by bombardment, surely. It's a terraform rather than an improvement.

	09-12-2004 15:48									#278
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I think the map-steal is looking attractive now. We don't know what other slow-downs (pillage/forest) Lego has put on likely routes between cities.

	09-12-2004 15:51									#279
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2nd report emailed to MZ.

	09-12-2004 16:14									#280
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Looking ahead, we also might want to consider RP. They are what, 4 turns away? It'd be good for them if they could somehow get their units into the fray. If sections of the west are wasteland there might be a spot for them if they can avoid the Lego Navy. I suspect that they will run into subs, though, if not the remaining BB.

	09-12-2004 16:19									#281
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Thinking of RP, I hope Vox's reference to boats in the public forum wasn't referring to an expedition to their old lands .... The door is wide open.

	09-12-2004 17:30									#282
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Confirmed - forest can't be bombarded away in PTW.

	09-12-2004 19:02									#283
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quote: Originally posted by Cort Haus Confirmed - forest can't be bombarded away in PTW.

Damn. I don't know how I got that idea, I was sure it was possible. Well, that means that GoW has to go around, using another settler, or that they have to use a cav to get there. Not a problem, only one less city they can reach.

Maybe best to tell this to MZ as well, CH

DeepO

	09-12-2004 19:08									#284
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quote: Originally posted by Cort Haus I think the map-steal is looking attractive now. We don't know what other slow-downs (pillage/forest) Lego has put on likely routes between cities.

I don't think we're going to see any more planted slow downs, but I agree, stealing the map might be the best way. However, let's see what GoW says, as it would benefit their side of the battle more then it would ours. We will get to our cities without map as well.

I'm most interested in what they are going to say about us racing to Stanwix, after spying on them. After thinking a bit more on this, I'm getting more convinced about it. It's not certain we can get there, but if we can, and give our captured cities to them, they will have a choice of which cities to take. It could be even so that we could get to Legopolis (as we're more or less coming from the direction of their detour around the forest). If we get lucky, we might even be able to take Legopolis, and hold it!

DeepO

	09-12-2004 19:13									#285
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I prefixed the report to MZ with a note about the forest. Hopefully he can see the workaround, but I'll mention that anyway.

	09-12-2004 19:17									#286
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okay, great.

While we can work things out a bit more, playing the save is on hold until we get an answer from them. I hope they realize this, I didn't very expressively mentioned it in the report.

DeepO

	09-12-2004 19:22									#287
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quote: Originally posted by Cort Haus Thinking of RP, I hope Vox's reference to boats in the public forum wasn't referring to an expedition to their old lands .... The door is wide open.

Yeah, but that would be like signing their own death warrant. Right now, they've got a chance we'll leave them alone. If they set foot on Estonia, we might lose a couple of cities before recuperating, but they will be destroyed for sure. If things goes like planned, GoW is going to capture the city next to their territory next turn (one of the few cities which are worth keeping)

DeepO

	09-12-2004 19:31									#288
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from MZ:

quote: Yes, spy on us ASAP and we can coordinate from there, off my head I don't remember our unit strength last turn but I'll load up the save in a while and e-mail you back. -MZ

	09-12-2004 19:34									#289
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okay, good news. I'm doing it right now (good thing the save is still open from last night )

DeepO

	09-12-2004 19:37									#290
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quote: Our agent in Imperial City was caught and killed. Glorious Warmonger is not pleased

147 gold wasted.


DeepO

	09-12-2004 19:38									#291
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okay, I'm going to look for the espionage thread. Doing it again wouldn't work, right?

DeepO

	09-12-2004 19:40									#292
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I had a feeling our espionage luck was due to run out.

	09-12-2004 19:41									#293
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On chances of succeeding:

quote: Plant Spy Regular spy 50% Veteran spy 60% If a spy plant fails you will get a flag saying so. You cant plant a spy when flagged. There is a chance of 1/3 for the flag to disappear each turn. Failing other spy mission, does not trigger the flag. You can plant a spy the same turn your spy has been exposed by a failed mission.

So, no more tries right now, and doing it again next turn would be a waste unless we really need it. Damn.

DeepO

	09-12-2004 19:43									#294
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Oh well, we had our luck with the BBs, while so far the naval battles were all unlucky for us. You can't have everything.

DeepO

	09-12-2004 19:44									#295
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I'm not sure about the idea of going north but leaving the FP. Especially now we won't know GoW's odds. We came here to trash the FP and I think we should do it if we can.

	09-12-2004 19:49									#296
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO Oh well, we had our luck with the BBs, while so far the naval battles were all unlucky for us. You can't have everything. DeepO

Yes, that's quite a slice of good fortune, we might want to lean on certainties if possible for the rest of the turn!

	09-12-2004 19:49									#297
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BTW, stealing maps has a 68% chance of success, if we do it safely, 48% when immediate. In the civ fanatacs thread, it is not mentioned if you can do it twice in a turn, as that might be worth it (twice immediate costs the same as safely. chance of getting it are higher, but chance of being caught too)

DeepO

	09-12-2004 19:55									#298
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quote: Originally posted by Cort Haus I'm not sure about the idea of going north but leaving the FP. Especially now we won't know GoW's odds. We came here to trash the FP and I think we should do it if we can.

The thing is: if we can reach Stanwix, GoW can reach the FP for sure.

Oh, and we might be able to trash the FP anyway, it's just that we can't spend a settler on it.

I think I'll start work on a bit of the same city analysis as I did for the South. If we see a way to reach Stanwix, or have a good idea on doing it, I think we can't risk anything, and we'd have to push through. This is one of those times you can't let luck decide, even if it feels like GoW will be able to push through Stanwix easily.

Sigh... Vondrack... if you would know how much not getting the battle report is slowing us down, you would cheer up instantly!

DeepO

	09-12-2004 19:56									#299
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quote: Originally posted by Cort Haus Yes, that's quite a slice of good fortune, we might want to lean on certainties if possible for the rest of the turn!

Nah... independent chances is what makes this game. The result of one battle does not depend on what happened before. It's just a human thing to think it does, but each time, you start with a new random number, totally unconnected from the last

DeepO

	09-12-2004 20:02									#300
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Not a big fan of the law of averages then, are you?

Great turn btw.