30-11-2004 22:06									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Flubber, You are the most full of **** person that I have ever met, save for possibly Vel.

And I was so shooting for #1 .



I do find it interesting that you cannot defend your ideas against even the most basic and polite of questioning.

	30-11-2004 22:07									#122
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As I already said Flubber. I don't care. You win. No shut up.

	30-11-2004 22:10									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian : Anyway, I take it you do not wish to discuss this. You want me to go away. And I shall, else all we will do is trade insults and make Ming unhappy (bad idea). -Arrian

Arrian I believe it is relatively easy to avoid the insults. I just ignore them as I always figure the need to resort to them highlights the weakness of the argument.

I don't go away since I would like to see kid actually set out his ideas instead of crying "exploiter" or " I'm a victim" with the first tough question

	30-11-2004 22:12									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious As I already said Flubber. I don't care. You win. No shut up.

Never .

	30-11-2004 22:13									#125
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It's not going to happen. It's over. Try and move on.

	30-11-2004 22:13									#126
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Get away from my door you damn freak!

	30-11-2004 22:30									#127
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"A wise man ought always to follow the paths beaten by great men, and to imitate those who have been supreme, so that if his ability does not equal theirs, at least it will savour of it. "

	30-11-2004 22:35									#128
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How can you follow a path when you don't have any ability to do so dumb ass?

	30-11-2004 22:37									#129
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"two men working differently bring about the same effect, and of two working similarly, one attains his object and the other does not"

	30-11-2004 22:39									#130
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First tell me how you follow a path without any ability to do so. That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.

	30-11-2004 22:44									#131
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That's what you get for thinking your so much better than people who are poorer than you. Ha HA!

	30-11-2004 22:45									#132
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So tell us more about you Flubber. Are you some kind of major corporate dude or what? Don't try and act humble. I think we all know better.

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious First tell me how you follow a path without any ability to do so. That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.

Its actually a quote from Niccolo Machiavelli I thought that a 1500s political philoshopher known for

amoral cynicism,
being associated with corrupt government,
diabolical thinking

would be a fun thing to throw into the mix

	30-11-2004 22:47									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious That's what you get for thinking your so much better than people who are poorer than you. Ha HA!

Laughed at by an idiot? What a scathing punishment.

	30-11-2004 22:49									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious So tell us more about you Flubber. Are you some kind of major corporate dude or what? Don't try and act humble. I think we all know better.

What I am or am not is irrelevant just as any individual is irrelevant to discussions of economics. What I am is someone that is willing to make my own way.

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quote: Originally posted by Flubber What I am or am not is irrelevant just as any individual is irrelevant to discussions of economics. What I am is someone that is willing to make my own way.

I hardly think so. You have a social system behind you. If it were just me and you things would be much different.

	30-11-2004 22:51									#137
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious That's what you get for thinking your so much better than people who are poorer than you. Ha HA!

I'm not "better" than anyone. You are the only person I see that consistently equates wealth with worth as a person. The fact that someone is richer or poorer is only a measure of their financial wealth .. . nothing more.

	30-11-2004 22:53									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I hardly think so. You have a social system behind you. If it were just me and you things would be much different.

Please explain. Are we talking stuck on an island scenario again here?

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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Please explain. Are we talking stuck on an island scenario again here?

Duh! If you are no better than me then if it were just you and I you wouldn't be any richer than me, now would you dumb ass!

	30-11-2004 23:01									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Duh! If you are no better than me then if it were just you and I you wouldn't be any richer than me, now would you dumb ass!

well if it was just us, whoever was the harder worker with better fitness and better survival skills would probably end up being richer ( ie in possessions and assets valuable to continued survival). Again neither of us is "better " than the other, just one of us has more "stuff".

With most other people on the planet, I could probably find a way to co-operate for mutual benefit.

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Unless, of course, one of you decides to heck with this fair play crap and pushes the other off a convenient cliff...

-Arrian

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quote: Originally posted by Flubber well if it was just us, whoever was the harder worker with better fitness and better survival skills would probably end up being richer ( ie in possessions and assets valuable to continued survival). Again neither of us is "better " than the other, just one of us has more "stuff". With most other people on the planet, I could probably find a way to co-operate for mutual benefit.

You are f'ing stupid! Harder working, better fitness is better at gaining wealth, which is what we are talking about. You implied that I'm poor for some reason because of my personal characteristics, specifically you implied that I was lazy.

	30-11-2004 23:05									#143
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Kid....my questions had little to do with morality. I simply asked how you see the difference between the state's "usage fee" you propose to instate vs. "rent" (which you abhor). Both acknowledge that the thing in question does not belong to you, and both require a suitable payment for its use.

So the difference is.....??

And the second question...asking you to define YOUR views on fairness hardly brings MY morals into the equation, does it?

But of course, I fully expect you to dodge the question...again.

-=Vel=-

	30-11-2004 23:06									#144
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Shush, most full of **** person!

-Arrian

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious You are f'ing stupid! Harder working, better fitness is better at gaining wealth, which is what we are talking about. You implied that I'm poor for some reason because of my personal characteristics, specifically you implied that I was lazy.

Hmmm-- the characteristics that aid in gaining wealth in North American society may be quite different than that which would bring "wealth" in a two person society. ( an out of shape software engineer comes to mind)


I stand by my statements as they were made and not as you seem to choose to interpret them. I have no further comment on your personal life unless it is your explicit wish to discuss the topic and you can do so without getting all upset.

	30-11-2004 23:14									#146
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quote: Originally posted by Velociryx And the second question...asking you to define YOUR views on fairness hardly brings MY morals into the equation, does it?

Oh no, fairness has nothing to do with morals.

You definitely are more full of ****.

	30-11-2004 23:15									#147
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Hmmm-- the characteristics that aid in gaining wealth in North American society may be quite different than that which would bring "wealth" in a two person society. ( an out of shape software engineer comes to mind) I stand by my statements as they were made and not as you seem to choose to interpret them. I have no further comment on your personal life unless it is your explicit wish to discuss the topic and you can do so without getting all upset.

Why are you telling me not to be lazy then? Are you trying to give me useless information or something?

	30-11-2004 23:15									#148
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Just an observation: If you seek to equalize everybody in THAT manner (ie, make everyone of the same level of fitness, with the same drive for hard work...you know, in order that everything be all nice and "fair" and "equal" my question is this: aside from genetically engineering everyone to be EXACTLY like you...how exactly, would you propose getting to this type of equality?

-=Vel=-

	30-11-2004 23:16									#149
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That conjures some Randian nightmares, Vel.

-Arrian

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Why are you telling me not to be lazy then?

Where did I say that ??

I think you are overly sensitive and reading things into statements far beyond what is written.