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jshelr
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pittsburgh
Apr 2002
time: 00:18
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Sent to Alexman
With the arrival of the Byz under RoP in the DMZ area of forested tiles near Tilberg, long standing agreements have been destabilized (through no fault of the Maya, we might add... but we won't).
Dutch and Mayan workers have stormed into the area, armed with shovels. Peace is threatened.
The Maya have proposed that Mayan sentries, composed of obsolete units capable of little harm, occupy the three forested tiles on the Dutch side of the border and that similar Dutch units take over the policing of the Mayan forests. These troops should be easily able to control the rowdy workers.
That way, any civ, including the Byz, that wish to use this area as a path to war will have to declare war for real, by attacking, and cannot simply march into opposing territory, forcing the defender to shoot first. And no destablizing roads will be able to be constructed, causing a surprise artillery attack to be eliminated as a possibility.
We are trying, in other words, to solve the problem in good faith, although, as per usual, our honesty is impugned in every communication. Time is of the essence, however. We think this fair proposal should be signed immediately, and on the thread.
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sabrewolf
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turicum, helvetistan
Jun 2002
time: 06:18
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edit: after careful thought, the dutch cannot agree to maya's condition C as this is a clear exploitation of this game's mechanics.
having the hill tile blocked by a dutch unit means that - should the mayan decide attack tilburg - the byzantine people could not help. the mayan could position there units in turn n+1 and attack in turn n+2 while the dutch could only remove their hill unit in n+2 (having their turn before the mayan) and the byzantine could earliest arrive in n+3.
as condition C is clearly an intention of delaying any potential byzantine help and is therefore intended as a clearly maya-favouring point, we cannot accept this term. we are willing to allow you the term C which was originally proposed in our correspondence. the original proposal was the following:
quote:
A) the DMZ, comprised of the 7 land tiles along our border is to be empty of all units at the end of each person's turn (that allows peeking with cavalry).
B) should one or more units end their turn in the DMZ this is considered a preparation for war. especially if these units include units which enable an attack in the next turn (considered dangerous): workers, cavalry, artillery, radar artillery, modern armour. in such a case, the violator has to declare war by cancelling the peace treaty after which he is allowed to do whatever he pleases.
optionally, we can add something like this that legitimise your medinfs:
C) units that do not fall under the category of immediate danger (see list in point B) and have an attack value of not over 4 can roam freely within the forest tiles. however a maximum of 1 unit per bordering tile (max. 3 dutch units in the DMZ and 4 mayan units) |
also, removing the workers can only be done after the mayan do. for two reasons:
1) the mayans were the first to move workers into the DMZ, therefore should be the first to move them out
2) as the mayan turn is immediately after the dutch turn, the mayans can react faster to a betrayal than the dutch can.
having the later/last turn in PBEMs is enough advantage on its own, the dutch people cannot accept further advantage adding up together with the facts or the mayan being no. 1 in every major economic area, having the largest army and the most advanced technology as well as having a very loyal and servant vassal state.
Last edited by sabrewolf on 08-02-2005 at 23:04
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jshelr
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pittsburgh
Apr 2002
time: 00:18
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optional: no one will complain when you use "an" MPP. However, I suspect the NYTimes style book will say to use "a" MPP.
If I were making a speech, I would likely say "an" MPP. If I were writing a memo, probably "a" MPP.
I see your problem. I move into the DMZ and declare war. But you can't get out of the Bzy way in time for them to help on the next turn.
What we want to prohibit is the introduction of Byz workers or Byz three movers into the DMZ to accomplish the same thing that Dutch workers or 3-movers could. The Byz must also sign the agreement. Or, we need your assurance that you will declare war if the Byz move into the DMZ through your fort.
Without some mechanism that excludes the Byz from the DMZ on the same basis that the Dutch are excluded, the Mayan's find the agreement one-sided and dangerous.
Last edited by jshelr on 09-02-2005 at 00:17
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