09-02-2005 18:19									#181
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"In other words, it is a PBEM mini-exploit."

Indeed.

By the way, it wouldn't be a bad idea if we play a turn now and then

	09-02-2005 19:42									#182
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actually a major PBEM exploit. it makes a difference of 30 WW points, which is the equivalent of 2 captured cities!

	09-02-2005 20:44									#183
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Byzantine are happy to sign a DMZ agreement that will prohibit our workers and 3 movers from entering the forest without declaring war first.

But we are a tad confused over the Maya's proposal that you can't declare war without shooting first, as for this we'd have to enter the forest anyway. We therefore suggest that if workers or 3 movers enter the forest then the player must cancel the peace treaty in the diplo screen on that same turn. Simple. We would ask that the pink clothed Arabs also sign this agreement.

Ths agreement would allow a few byzantine pikes to occupy the Dutch side of the forest to monitor events, which is sadly necessary during these times of mistrust.

If we are all agreed, the sacred save will be dispatched tonight.

	09-02-2005 21:19									#184
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My proposal was stronger due to the placement of junk units in the forest tiles. That placement means you can't enter the tiles without attacking and such an agreement would repair the mini/maxi exploit at least in this sensitive area. (The units involved would be kept in foreign territory.)

By the way, we are definitely not going to sign the version of the agreement Andy proposes. This is a border between the Dutch and the Maya. It's either all units out of the area, or Mayan units in the Dutch tiles and Dutch units in the Mayan tiles. The alternative is no agreement.

We don't really need or require an agreement. We will make one at Sabre's request.

	10-02-2005 03:48									#185
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I just thought that there wouldn't be any harm in a few miserly pikes in the forrest. Why don't you want them there? So long as the agreement stands in that no workers or 3 move units then we'll have all achieved our aims.

	10-02-2005 04:18									#186
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Let's just assume I'm a stubborn old bastard and move on....anyway I accept Sabre's ''no units in the area" solution. But I don't accept any others in the area.

I don't mean to be impolite. Negotiations, however, have concluded. I've agreed to accept Sabre's position and he can change it to having units on the ground in light of Rommel's comments if he wishes. Otherwise, let's play.

	10-02-2005 04:20									#187
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the save has been sent, you stubborn old bastard

	10-02-2005 04:43									#188
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uhm, for the record: i wish to add artillery units to the dangerous units and not just workers and 3-movers.

	10-02-2005 05:41									#189
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since your proposal excludes all units, it matters little, although you are clearly right

if we don't get 3 signatories to the treaty you proposed, it matters less

Sabre has proposed this reasonable agreement.

A) the DMZ, comprised of the 7 land tiles along our border is to be empty of all units at the end of each person's turn.

B) should one or more units end their turn in the DMZ this is considered a preparation for war. in such a case, the violator has to declare war by cancelling the peace treaty after which he is allowed to do whatever he pleases.

I am hereby signing this proposal.

	10-02-2005 12:54									#190
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*takes out feather, dips it in blood..*

signed.

	10-02-2005 22:56									#191
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i hereby also sign the treaty!

	10-02-2005 22:59									#192
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sorry for the further delay. last night it arrived right before bedtime. today i had a solid 5.25 hour nonstop interview marathon with 9 different people

but it's looking good and now only the CEO is able to ruin my chances

gonna play the turn after 2 hours of floorball and some chilling

	11-02-2005 02:58									#193
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great news for me, bad news for the game: after those 9 interviews came back with an overwhelmingly positive impact, the CEO has decided to speed things up and is inviting me tomorrow already for the final 2-3 interviews (including his all-decisive one).

so i'm afraid that i will have to miss out yet another slot and will be quite a lot later with the one of tomorrow! and additionally, i ll be away this weekend on a sledging trip with my sister and her tall and wonderful friend

sorry guys!

	11-02-2005 03:07									#194
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no problems. sometimes RL wins out

	11-02-2005 21:49									#195
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950ad to jshelr

well, RL seems to have taken over my life...

great news: I GOT THE JOB
nasty sideeffect: as of monday i will not be able to play any afternoon turns unless ill, holidays or if i get fired soon

if anyone of you has a problem with this, i guess i'd have to look out for a replacement. but from what i gathered last time i asked, some of you seemed pretty happy with the idea of reducing it to 1-a-day.

anyhow, sorry for being the player who permanently shatters the idea of 2-a-day!

	11-02-2005 23:52									#196
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Congratulations!

Work hard to make a good impression so you can slack off when Civ4 comes out.

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	12-02-2005 05:10									#197
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thanks

speaking of civ4:
alex, are you in the beta testing team? can you give me your impressions?

from the first screenshots i have seen, i looks a bit too much like an RTS game, which would not be to my taste. but of course much can change...

	14-02-2005 02:32									#198
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that's good news sabre, congrats!

--> you

	14-02-2005 02:53									#199
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960ad to jshelr

thanks für the grats

	14-02-2005 19:26									#200
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970 sent.

I agree about the Civ4 graphics. Hopefully, the graphics in the screenshots that have been released will be improved. Graphics were never the strong point of Civ anyway.

	15-02-2005 02:10									#201
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that's not what i meant. i don't need fancy animations and so on for a game like civ. but if the game looks like RTS, it's not civ anymore

	15-02-2005 02:23									#202
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I know what you meant.
I just think that no matter how the game looks, it's the game play that defines what is and what isn't civ.

	15-02-2005 02:28									#203
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I look at Civ graphics as the window dressing that draws in a larger pool of players, making for a thriving MP environment...

	15-02-2005 03:02									#204
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true...

and there are people that actually enjoy mods with 15'000 units and improvements


on another note, andy... i'm off to bed pretty soon *hint hint*

	15-02-2005 03:42									#205
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So, what about the tall and wonderful friend?

	15-02-2005 03:50									#206
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she's still tall and wonderful, and still not mine

	15-02-2005 04:41									#207
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ask your sister for advice on this tall and wonderful wonder.

turn sent

	16-02-2005 04:13									#208
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turn passed over shortly before i'll pass out

	16-02-2005 20:34									#209
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To no avail, I'm sorry to report. I picked up a science fiction book, first in 30 years or so, and couldn't put the damn thing down

finally sent to Alexman

	16-02-2005 22:21									#210
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Does that Sci-fi book have anything to do with being the first to send colonists to Alpha-Centauri?

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