16-12-2004 04:25									#61
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One more hour to get those orders in.

	16-12-2004 04:26									#62
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Who are you waiting on?

	16-12-2004 04:30									#63
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Not at liberty to say, but those who haven't sent their orders know it all right.

	16-12-2004 04:32									#64
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* joncha hopes it's Spike...

	16-12-2004 04:38									#65
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Sent.

	16-12-2004 05:15									#67
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You mean it has been DrSpike holding up the game






Oh and by the way.........sent

	16-12-2004 05:42									#68
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Heh, talk about making it just barely in time.

	16-12-2004 07:06									#69
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Round 17 - Fortune favours the bold


The meeting of the high council of the Dominion attended by founder DrSpike, chairman Sparrowhawk of the Trabe and Vorta Weyoun (Commander of the Dominion forces). Pralor AU commanding unit SC was not invited.

Weyoun explains the plan to Chairman Sparrowhawk.
“The Dominion strength has been compromised by the weakness of one of its members. The Pralor AUs don’t deserve to be members of the Dominion. Our analysis shows they are not only the weakest link, but also most likely to revolt against the order Dominion is going to establish in the quadrant.”
“What does it mean Weyoun?” Sparrowhawk didn’t get it.
“It means we’re going to eliminate the weakest link. We have decided to eradicate the Pralor AUs,” Weyoun replied.
“What? You cannot commit genocide! And against your own ally!”
“The decision was reached at the highest level of the Dominion,” Weyoun maintained his composure. Then he continued cynically: “Are you questioning the will of the founders? That wouldn’t be wise.”

Chairman Sparrowhawk thought for a while, looked at DrSpike and replied: “Of course not. We serve the founders.”
“Don’t we all?” Weyoun concluded the discussion.


*******


But at least one solid species in the delta quadrant doesn’t serve the founders. It’s the Kazon led by charismatic Supreme Maje Theben. And they decided to punish the Pralor AUs for their blind service of the Dominion. And the Kazon caught the Pralor unprepared.


Battle No.1: Theben attacks Spaced Cowboy
Theben: 3LT, 4FT, 5TT, 3FD, 64LB, 22FB, 25TB, OoB: LLT-FTF, close in, normal, fight to the death
Spaced Cowboy: 28LC, 27FC, 28TC, OoB: TFL-TFL, normal, normal


414L – 112T – Spaced Cowboy takes 302 hits
828L – 54F – Spaced Cowboy takes 774 hits
200T – 112L – Spaced Cowboy takes 88 hits and he is utterly destroyed

Spaced Cowboy has tried Whoha’s trick from the beginning of this game (building 2 bases in the same turn) and got the same reward.
His 16 bases are occupied by the Kazon.


*******


Meanwhile the large Dominion fleet was assembled under Weyoun’s command. The Trabe fleet did not arrive however, not that anyone had hoped it would.
“I have expected the solids would betray the Dominion. It’s in their nature. No matter, we shall deal with all of them one by one,” DrSpike commented the absence of the Trabe.
“Glorious founder, the Dominion has not suffered a defeat in 10000 years of its existence. We don’t need any solids by our side. We shall enforce our rule upon them,” Weyoun replied.

And so the Dominion fleet set course for Pralor space. But when they arrived to the coordinates, they found a large Kazon fleet there. Lacking orders from the founder to attack the Kazon, the large Dominion fleet returned to their bases.

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	16-12-2004 07:18									#70
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Holy ****, I'm alive!?

	16-12-2004 07:51									#71
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good luck all.

	16-12-2004 13:48									#72
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Sparrowhawk, I think you're in trouble now...

	16-12-2004 14:21									#73
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Theben, impressive

	17-12-2004 00:17									#74
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Last to send orders attacks first right?

	17-12-2004 00:46									#75
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Actually I've wondered about that myself. I believe it's only for planned allied assaults that fail, but there isn't a clear ruling.

Looking back there have been a couple of other mistakes made during the game.

	17-12-2004 00:48									#76
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I remember specifically that the rule is last in attacks first, because I argued with Jamski about it for ages.

	17-12-2004 00:50									#77
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Hmmm, let me see when I sent my orders.

	17-12-2004 00:52									#78
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I sent them 13 minutes after you posted 'sent'.

I think we should talk about that next time b/c whoever sent 1st should have a chance to decide if they want to attack 1st or not.

	17-12-2004 00:57									#79
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If you sent them last then there is no mistake.

However, to re-re-debate the attack order thing I think the current situation is stupid. It makes no sense to provide an advantage to someone fortunate enough to send their orders first, or fortunate enough to be online just before an update. No sense whatsoever. It should be random.

	17-12-2004 01:13									#80
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike If you sent them last then there is no mistake. However, to re-re-debate the attack order thing I think the current situation is stupid.

I agree.

quote: It makes no sense to provide an advantage to someone fortunate enough to send their orders first, or fortunate enough to be online just before an update. No sense whatsoever. It should be random.

Or have the GM PM the 1st poster once all orders are in, to decide if they wish to attack 1st or 2nd?

	17-12-2004 02:55									#81
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Well in giving the 1st player a choice you are giving them information and an advantage. The whole point I am making that if 2 people attack who gets first shot (which may or may not be best) should be random.

	17-12-2004 07:10									#82
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Last send attack first is a very important rule and is part of every successful strategy. There is no luck in it. Theben took the risk and sent his orders just before my update and he won the prize.

You DrSpike could have ordered your fleet to attack whoever they find there and you might have defeated Theben and scored a double point.

	17-12-2004 07:13									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Theben Actually I've wondered about that myself. I believe it's only for planned allied assaults that fail, but there isn't a clear ruling.

There is a very clear ruling. Last to send attacks first. It has been like that since the beginning.

quote: Originally posted by Theben Looking back there have been a couple of other mistakes made during the game.

What mistakes? Not mine, since I double check what I do and if I see a mistake I correct it.

	17-12-2004 08:16									#84
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Ljube is 100% correct on this one.

	17-12-2004 09:47									#85
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Just thought I should clarify........Ljube's story kinda implies that there was a chance of me allying with him to take out Spaced. Just to be clear, had DrSpike contacted me, I would not have under any circumstances joined in that battle. Further, had he contacted me I would have notified Spaced that such an attack was coming and likely joined with him for an attack on DrSpike (which in hindsight would have been a very good thing.....though Theben would have had a clear advantage at that point).

* Sparrowhawk

	17-12-2004 12:55									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko Last send attack first is a very important rule and is part of every successful strategy. There is no luck in it. Theben took the risk and sent his orders just before my update and he won the prize.

Actually Theben just happened to check in time to see your '1 hour left' notice, because before that I was thinking you meant 48 hours from the update. So since I didn't see Spaced online or a 'sent' by him, and rapidly running out of options, I attacked him. I sent my orders as soon as I could and just got very, very lucky.

quote: What mistakes? Not mine, since I double check what I do and if I see a mistake I correct it.

Let me clarify. One possible mistake, since back in the beginning when I took Jamski's 3 bases and Skanky sent one frigate afterwards, I would think it unlikely he ordered that one frigate to attack whoever is there.

	17-12-2004 15:47									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Theben quote: What mistakes? Not mine, since I double check what I do and if I see a mistake I correct it. Let me clarify. One possible mistake, since back in the beginning when I took Jamski's 3 bases and Skanky sent one frigate afterwards, I would think it unlikely he ordered that one frigate to attack whoever is there.

Think it unlikely but Skanky did just that.

When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains--however improbable--must be the truth.

	17-12-2004 15:54									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk Just thought I should clarify........Ljube's story kinda implies that there was a chance of me allying with him to take out Spaced. Just to be clear, had DrSpike contacted me, I would not have under any circumstances joined in that battle. Further, had he contacted me I would have notified Spaced that such an attack was coming and likely joined with him for an attack on DrSpike (which in hindsight would have been a very good thing.....though Theben would have had a clear advantage at that point). * Sparrowhawk

The hint of your complicity in DrSpike's attack is there just for the sake of the story. Pure fiction.

	17-12-2004 18:58									#89
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Good for a second, I thought Sparrow did a theben on me. I would have gladly given my bases to sparrow.

I sent my orders in about 10 minutes after the last turn posted. So I was actually the first with orders in. Should have used my shield....damn, thought you guys were going to be lame again. I was wrong...twice.

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Round 18 - Never trust the founders


After the elimination of the Pralor Automated Units, founder DrSpike ordered the termination of the sixth Weyoun clone and activated his seventh clone for failing to attack the Kazon at Pralor bases. He then called another meeting of the high council of the Dominion. Weyoun, Sparrowhawk and DrSpike were present.

Weyoun explained the founder’s plan to Chairman Sparrowhawk of the Trabe.
“It is a very simple yet brilliant plan to attack the Kazon with everything we have got and destroy them now when we are sure they have no more operational shield generators.”

Sparrowhawk thought a few moments before saying: “Founder DrSpike, I mean no disrespect, but the Trabe have suffered greatly in this conflict and it is only fair that we are compensated adequately for our loyal service to the Dominion. This calls for a division of captured Kazon bases and planets in favour of the Trabe. Twenty two to thirteen to be exact.”

Weyoun looked at Sparrowhawk in shock.
“You dare question the will of the founders? The best compensation for you should be the knowledge that the sacrifices your people have suffered have not been in vain and that the Dominion is victorious again.”
“I repeat, I meant no disrespect, but our people are unhappy because they have gotten nothing out of this deal with the Dominion so far.”
“Your people should be happy because they have been fortunate enough to be able to give their lives for the founders and the Dominion.”

DrSpike was listening to this conversation.
“I have decided to grant your request for the division of the bases Chairman Sparrowhawk. But in order to do so, you must commit the entire Trabe fleet to the allied attack. I will lead the joint fleet personally.”


And the Grand Dominion-Trabe armada assembled near the Kazon border and proceeded for Kazon Pommar bases. Shortly after they entered warp parts of Trabe fleet changed course and left back to the Trabe space. Only 12 of eack kind of titans remained. Chairman Sparrowhawk was not with the Dominion any more.

“Treachery most vile, oh glorious founder”, Weyoun despaired. “The Kazon are very strong. What if they match our order of battle? This could be the end of the Dominion as we know it.”
“Fear not loyal Weyoun”, DrSpike replied. “I have anticipated this development. Our infiltrators have obtained a full order of battle Kazon are going to use and have sabotaged their comm. systems also. Even with only half of Trabe fleet committed to this battle we are still looking at a victory. And the bases will be split half-half. And then I shall decide what to do with Trabe traitors.”


Battle No. 1: Sparrowhawk and DrSpike attack Theben
Sparrowhawk: 12LT, 12FT, 12TT, OoB: FLL-TTF, back off, normal, fight to the death
DrSpike: 20LT, 31FT, 20TT, 11TD, 2TB, OoB: FLL-TTF, back off, normal, fight to the death
Allied total: 32LT, 43FT, 32TT, 11TD, 2TB, OoB: FLL-TTF, back off, normal, fight to the death
Theben: 3LT, 4FT, 5TT, 3FD, 64LB, 40FB, 32TB, 2LC, 2FC, 1TC, OoB: FLL-TTF, close in, spread out


430F – 156F – Theben takes 274 hits
160L – 211L – Allies take 51 hits
160L – 211L – Allies take 51 hits

The battle is bloody. Theben loses 2 carrier cruisers, 40 carrier battleships and 3 carrier dreadnaughts and one of his carrier titans is damaged. The allies lose ten carrier titans and their eleventh is damaged.

105T – 123T – Allies take 18 hits
105T – 123T – Allies take 18 hits
330F – 20F – Theben takes 310 hits

The allies lose 3 more carrier titans (Sparrowhawk 2 and DrSpike 1) and another of their carrier titans is damaged. Theben loses the remaining 4 carrier titans, 2 laser cruisers and 47 laser battleships and his forty-eighth laser battleship is damaged. Since the battle is to the death, it continues.

300F – 0F – Theben takes 300 hits
160L – 66L – Theben takes 94 hits
160L – 66L – Theben takes 94 hits and his entire fleet is destroyed.

But before his last torpedo titan was destroyed, Supreme Maje Theben managed to send his final transmission to his Kazon subjects.

Loyal Kazon subjects, our Imperium has collapsed and we can no longer exist as a free and powerful race. It’s back to Trabe slavery for us. So my final order to all proud Kazon is to commit suicide rather than be subject to slavery once more.


And all Kazon obeyed their Supreme Maje’s final order.
When the dust settled, the Trabe got 18 and the Dominion 17 of the former Kazon, now completely empty bases.

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