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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
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Yes, but if he destroys the capital by buying snickers bars and going on a binge, he's not deploying the capital is "capitalistic" fashion. That is to say, not creating wealth.
But you're quite right. The initial discussion centered solely around dollars, when we all know that "capital" is that, plus equipment, land...lossa stuffs.
The point tho, and key difference is that in a command economy, there first must come a "point of confiscation" (if we assume that the previous society allowed private ownership).
Government steps in and says..."oops...sorry, that building you spent your whole life paying for...yeah, we own that now."
No more private ownership. Everything resets to equal (Kid's dream). No one has any assets, 'cept for the government, and no one can "own" any assets.
In that environment, there is no capitalism. Well, there is, but it's typically underground, and the penalties for getting caught can be (and in Russia, were) quite harsh.
-=Vel=-
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Az
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:17
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Azazel - capital can also refer to machines - say a factory. Hiring people to work in the factory would be application of capital. |
Yes, of course. I was just bringing example. I wanted to say machinery, btw, but I had this image of initial stages of construction in my mind. 
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The point tho, and key difference is that in a command economy, there first must come a "point of confiscation" (if we assume that the previous society allowed private ownership).
Government steps in and says..."oops...sorry, that building you spent your whole life paying for...yeah, we own that now."
No more private ownership. Everything resets to equal (Kid's dream). No one has any assets, 'cept for the government, and no one can "own" any assets.
In that environment, there is no capitalism. Well, there is, but it's typically underground, and the penalties for getting caught can be (and in Russia, were) quite harsh.
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Well, these are two different things. First of all, the banning of private enterprise, and "the point of confiscation". The whole "point of confiscation thing can be avoided by a deep estate tax, for example, or deep taxation, in general. By taxing corporations heavily, the government aritificially lowers their market value, by lowering it's margins, and then can buy them cheaply. Their profit margins can be bad enough for people people wanting to sell them. Then, no point of confiscation. Of course, this is "anti-bussiness", but boohoo.
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:17
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The problem, in your specific case, Kid, is WHERE you live.
California has a well known housing problem. Prices are soaring.
I have told you the median prices here, and they're, IIRC, less than one quarter of the housing costs in Cali.
Location is your bugbear. If you are unwilling to relocate, then it is one you must continue to deal with.
My purchase of two homes from the thousands available here did not cause the housing spike in California. Blame that on the Valley, and the population growth of California in general.
And while you may not care about the military, one of my renters IS military, so I care a great deal. Of course, you selectively overlook that point, cos it doesn't fit in with the whole "Vel is a Monster" thing you've got going on, so I understand that, but the facts is the facts.
You live in the most expensive state in the Union. If the housing prices are too high...MOVE!
There. Done deal. How hard was that?
Nothing is gained by continuing to stay there, apparently not making enough money to contend with the higher prices. Sure, you can whine about it ad nauseum, but does that not get tiresome after a while?
And I suspect that it does nothing to aid in the resolution of the situation.
Again, just more thoughts from your friendly neighborhood Capitalist Pig-dog.
As to the rental situation....I'd like you to read those posts again, and point out to me *precisely* where there is exploitation.
Show me where I'm getting money for not doing any work.
Show me where I'm getting "more money than I deserve" and gouging these poor unfortunate souls I gathered into my evil clutches.
(Hey Tubes, we're thinking of buying another one....wanna? )
'Zazel: True dat, that it could be phased in, but this would likely not occur, because I see no scenario in which commies take power peacefully in this country. They'll do it by force if at all, and WHEN they do it, they'll want immediate, not phased, implementation.
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Az
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
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'Zazel: True dat, that it could be phased in, but this would likely not occur, because I see no scenario in which commies take power peacefully in this country. They'll do it by force if at all, and WHEN they do it, they'll want immediate, not phased, implementation. |
This wouldn't likely occur, because the corporate media will spread lies about it. You don't know how hard the corporate media fights for privatization and against nationalization, because you've never encountered govt. corporations privatized, I suppose, in the USA. I have seen the media reports, and I know the truth of at least one corporation, from the inside, through one of my family members who was an employee for the private corporation, and knew everything that went on, including bribery. I know that many things will have to occur before such a thing happens. Just telling you that it's possible.
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Tuberski
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ACK!!! PTHBBPPPTTT!!!!
Feb 2002
time: 23:17
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Originally posted by Velociryx
Kid: No, that's not what I expect them to say. They were actually both quite savvy negotiators. They knew what they wanted and we dealt. We were both happy with the results.
From a personal standpoint, I like the notion that I'm on track for paying one of the three off in the same timeframe (well, one year longer) than most folks finance vehicles for...I think that says good things about my ability to manage projects like this, which will make me inclined to do more of it in the future).
We are on friendly terms, the folks who rent from me. They do not see me as an overlord...in fact, they do not see me much at all, unless something breaks, or the lawn guy doesn't show.
And in exchange for using my property, I get compensated.
Still waiting for you to show me how this makes me Satan's First Cousin.
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And who's to say that, after the house is paid for, you won't sell it to one of those unfortunates that can't afford one right now.
You could even do a lease to own deal where the people that can't afford a house now, may be able to buy your house from you in a year or so.
 ACK!
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