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The Plot Against Sex in America

FRANK RICH
Published: December 12, 2004

WHEN they start pushing the panic button over "moral values" at the bluest of TV channels, public broadcasting's WNET, in the bluest of cities, New York, you know this country has entered a new cultural twilight zone.

Just three weeks after the election, Channel 13 killed a spot for the acclaimed movie "Kinsey," in which Liam Neeson stars as the pioneering Indiana University sex researcher who first let Americans know that nonmarital sex is a national pastime, that women have orgasms too and that masturbation and homosexuality do not lead to insanity. At first WNET said it had killed the spot because it was "too commercial and too provocative" - a tough case to make about a routine pseudo-ad interchangeable with all the other pseudo-ads that run on "commercial-free" PBS. That explanation quickly became inoperative anyway. The "Kinsey" distributor, Fox Searchlight, let the press see an e-mail from a National Public Broadcasting media manager stating that the real problem was "the content of this movie" and "controversial press re: groups speaking out against the movie/subject matter" that might bring "viewer complaints."

Maybe in the end Channel 13 got too many complaints about its own cowardice because by last week, in response to my inquiries, it had a new story: that e-mail was all a big mistake - an "unfortunate" miscommunication hatched by some poor unnamed flunky in marketing. This would be funny if it were not so serious - and if it were an anomaly. Yet even as the "Kinsey" spot was barred in New York, a public radio station in North Carolina, WUNC-FM, told an international women's rights organization based in Chapel Hill that it could not use the phrase "reproductive rights" in an on-air announcement. In Los Angeles, five commercial TV channels, fearing indecency penalties, refused to broadcast a public service spot created by Los Angeles county's own public health agency to counteract a rising tide of syphilis. Nationwide, the big three TV networks all banned an ad in which the United Church of Christ heralded the openness of its 6,000 congregations to gay couples.

Such rapid-fire postelection events are conspiring to make "Kinsey" a bellwether cultural event of this year. When I first saw the movie last spring prior to its release, it struck me as an intelligent account of a half-forgotten and somewhat quaint chapter in American social history. It was in the distant year of 1948 that Alfred Kinsey, a Harvard-trained zoologist, published "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male," a dense, clinical 804-page accounting of the findings of his obsessive mission to record the sexual histories of as many Americans as time and willing volunteers (speaking in confidentiality) would allow. The book stormed the culture with such force that Kinsey was featured in almost every major national magazine; a Time cover story likened his book's success to "Gone With the Wind." Even pop music paid homage, with the rubber-faced comic Martha Raye selling a half-million copies of "Ooh, Dr. Kinsey!" and Cole Porter immortalizing the Kinsey report's sizzling impact in a classic stanza in "Too Darn Hot."

Though a Gallup poll at the time found that three-quarters of the public approved of Kinsey's work, not everyone welcomed the idea that candor might supplant ignorance and shame in the national conversation about sex. Billy Graham, predictably, said the publication of Kinsey's research would do untold damage to "the already deteriorating morals of America." Somewhat less predictably, as David Halberstam writes in "The Fifties," The New York Times at first refused to accept advertising for Kinsey's book.

Such history, which seemed ancient only months ago, has gained in urgency since Election Day. As politicians and the media alike pander to that supposed 22 percent of "moral values" voters, we're back where we came in. Bill Condon, who wrote and directed "Kinsey," started working on this project in 1999 and didn't gear it to any political climate. The film is a straightforward telling of its subject's story, his thorniness and bisexuality included, conforming in broad outline to the facts as laid out by Kinsey's most recent biographers. But not unlike Philip Roth's "Plot Against America," which transports us back to an American era overlapping that of "Kinsey," this movie, however unintentionally, taps into anxieties that feel entirely contemporary. That Channel 13 would even fleetingly balk at "Kinsey" as The Times long ago did at the actual Kinsey is not a coincidence.

As for the right-wing groups that have targeted the movie (with or without seeing it), they are the usual suspects, many of them determined to recycle false accusations that Kinsey was a pedophile, as if that might somehow make the actual pedophilia scandal in one church go away. But this crowd doesn't just want what's left of Kinsey's scalp. (He died in 1956.) Empowered by that Election Day "moral values" poll result, it is pressing for a whole host of second-term gifts from the Bush administration: further rollbacks of stem-cell research, gay civil rights, pulchritude sightings at N.F.L. games and, dare I say it aloud, reproductive rights for women. "If you have weaklings around you who do not share your biblical values, shed yourself of them," wrote Bob Jones III, president of the eponymous South Carolina university, to President Bush after the election. "Put your agenda on the front burner and let it boil." Such is the perceived clout of this Republican base at government agencies like the F.C.C. that it need only burp and 66 frightened ABC affiliates instantly dump their network's broadcast of that indecent movie "Saving Private Ryan" on Veterans Day.

In the case of "Kinsey," the Traditional Values Coalition has called for a yearlong boycott of all movies released by Fox. (With the hypocrisy we've come to expect, it does not ask its members to boycott Fox's corporate sibling in the Murdoch empire, Fox News.) But such organizations don't really care about "Kinsey" - an art-house picture that, however well reviewed or Oscar-nominated, will be seen by a relatively small audience, mostly in blue states. The film is just this month's handy pretext for advancing the larger goal of pushing sex of all nonbiblical kinds back into the closet and undermining any scientific findings, whether circa 1948 or 2004, that might challenge fundamentalist sexual orthodoxy as successfully as Darwin challenged Genesis. (Though that success, too, is in doubt: The Washington Post reports that this year some 40 states are dealing with challenges to the teaching of evolution in public schools.)

"Kinsey" is an almost uncannily helpful guide to how these old cultural fault lines have re-emerged from their tomb, virtually unchanged. Among Kinsey's on-screen antagonists is a university hygiene instructor who states with absolute certitude that abstinence is the only cure needed to stop syphilis. Sound familiar? In tune with the "moral values" crusaders, the Web site for the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has obscured and downplayed the important information that condoms are overwhelmingly effective in preventing sexually transmitted diseases. (A nonprofit organization supporting comprehensive sex education, Advocates for Youth, publicized this subterfuge and has been rewarded with three government audits of its finances in eight months.) Elsewhere in "Kinsey," we watch desperate students pepper their professor with a series of uninformed questions: "Can too much sex cause cancer? Does suppressing sex lead to stuttering? Does too much masturbation cause premature ejaculation?" Though that sequence takes place in 1939, you can turn on CNN in December 2004 and watch Genevieve Wood of the Family Research Council repeatedly refuse - five times, according to the transcript - to disown the idea that masturbation can cause pregnancy.

Ms. Wood was being asked about that on "Crossfire" because a new Congressional report, spearheaded by the California Democrat Henry Waxman, shows that various fictions of junk science (AIDS is spread by tears and sweat, for instance) have turned up as dogma in abstinence-only sex education programs into which American taxpayers have sunk some $900 million in five years. Right now this is the only kind of sex education that our government supports, even though science says that abstinence-only programs don't work - or may be counterproductive. A recent Columbia University study found that teens who make "virginity pledges" to delay sex until marriage still have premarital sex at a high rate (88 percent) rivaling those that don't, but are less likely to use contraception once they do. It's California, a huge blue state that refuses to accept federal funding for abstinence-only curriculums, that has a 40 percent falloff in teenage pregnancy over the past decade, second only to Alaska.

No matter what the censors may accomplish elsewhere, the pop culture revolution since Kinsey's era is in little jeopardy: in a nation of "Desperate Housewives," "Too Darn Hot" has become the national anthem. A movie like "Kinsey" will do just fine; the more protests, the more publicity and the larger the box office. But if Hollywood will always survive, off-screen Americans are being damaged by the cultural war over sex that is being played out in real life. You see that when struggling kids are denied the same information about sexuality that was kept from their antecedents in the pre-Kinsey era; you see that when pharmacists in more and more states enforce their own "moral values" by refusing to fill women's contraceptive prescriptions and do so with the tacit or official approval of local officials; you see it when basic information that might prevent the spread of lethal diseases is suppressed by the government because it favors political pandering over scientific fact.

While "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male" was received with a certain amount of enthusiasm and relief by most Americans in 1948, the atmosphere had changed radically by the time Kinsey published his follow-up volume, "Sexual Behavior in the Human Female," just five years later. By 1953 Joe McCarthy was in full throttle, and, as James H. Jones writes in his judicious 1997 Kinsey biography, "ultra-conservative critics would accuse Kinsey of aiding communism by undermining sexual morality and the sanctity of the home." Kinsey was an anti-Soviet, anti-New Deal conservative, but that didn't matter in an America racked by fear. He lost the principal sponsor of his research, the Rockefeller Foundation, and soon found himself being hounded, in part for his sympathetic view of homosexuality, by the ambiguously gay homophobes J. Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson. Based on what we've seen in just the six weeks since Election Day, the parallels between that war over sex and our own may have only just begun.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/a...ar_3&oref=login

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damnit. why can't this be as serious as this journalist thinks? we might be on the verge of a new golden age.

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It's California, a huge blue state that refuses to accept federal funding for abstinence-only curriculums, that has a 40 percent falloff in teenage pregnancy over the past decade


We on the left coast know stupid ideas when we see them and abstinence-only is one of the most stupid ever to be dreamed up in a red state.

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There will be some Apolytoners who will rationally state that all of this is perfectly legal, as producers, television stations, and so forth can all legally choose what they want to show or present.



But they often ignore or are not aware of the fact that what is technically legal is not necessarily right or just.

Four more years of Bush, and four more years of cultural reversion, and sexual repression for straight and gay Americans.

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This is revealing though, in how homophobia can harm straight people. The extreme, fearful reversion to sex in of itself such as expressed through homophobia can lead to repression of straight people.

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Reminds me of a certain infamous 70s movie.

"The penis is evil. The penis shoots seeds, and makes new life, and poisons the earth with a plague of men, as once it was. But the gun shoots death, and purifies the earth of the filth of brutals."

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damnit. why can't this be as serious as this journalist thinks? we might be on the verge of a new golden age.


It's funny how stupid people think sex is evil before marriage but good after marriage.

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Does this mean I'm going to have to go and strike a few blows for freedom tonight?

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Why is it that 78% of the public is suddenly afraid of this 22% and surrendering to it?

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Because then we'd have to reveal that our 78% is a bunch of filthy perverts

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Why is it that 78% of the public is suddenly afraid of this 22% and surrendering to it?

You're under arrest for independent thinking! :borg:

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Why is it that 78% of the public is suddenly afraid of this 22% and surrendering to it?



Um, you can't automatically assume that the other 78% are afraid.


disagreement/opposition != fear of the other group

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Well, we're not seeing any 78% of Americans marhing the streets to demand more nudity on TV, do we?

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Um, you can't automatically assume that the other 78% are afraid.


I can when that 78% trembles before the 22%.

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Because it's more than 22% who are pissed off about the perceived decline in morality. The 22% are the chearleaders. There are more that go along for the ride.

I *do* fear the 22%, not in and of themselves, but for what they can accomplish.

That doesn't mean capitulation is the answer.

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It's funny how stupid people think sex is evil before marriage but good after marriage.


the context of a marriage allows us to assume a certain level of compatibility and permanence between the two individuals; a security that assures society that the children that will possibly be conceived through the sex act will grow up in stable homes.

duh

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It's funny who stupid people care if their kids live in a stable house hold and are given every opportunity of success

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it's not an issue of pre-marital sex being a sin... it's an issue of it being done in a situation that makes it more difficult to deal with the possible consequences such as conception. married people are in a better situation than unmarried people with respect to dealing with pregnancy.

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If you're trying to make a practical argument, Speer, you're gonna lose on this one.

The "pledge-takers" who pledged abstinence didn't abstain 88% of the time, and a higher percentage of them failed to use contraception when they did have sex.

So not only does abstinence sex-ed generally fail, it compounds the problem by reducing people's awareness/use of contraception.

Wonderful.

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it's not an issue of pre-marital sex being a sin... it's an issue of it being done in a situation that makes it more difficult to deal with the possible consequences such as conception. married people are in a better situation than unmarried people with respect to dealing with pregnancy.


Um... that's why you educate people on contraception so it isn't really a problem.

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the context of a marriage allows us to assume a certain level of compatibility and permanence between the two individuals


I'm sure 50% of marrages would disagree with that prognosis .

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But it's because of our permissive liberal society, Imran, that 50% of marriages fail. Back in the good 'ole days, before women had rights and sex was one's reproductive duty, it was better

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If you're trying to make a practical argument, Speer, you're gonna lose on this one.


Should we pull up some statistics on children who come from a broken home, or a home with only one parent, or bastard children?

I don't think he will lose an argument stating that two parents are better than one, and that ppl who married and have children are more likely to raise the children than are two strangers who got drunk and played hide the pickle one night.

Sounds pretty logical to me.

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But it's because of our permissive liberal society, Imran, that 50% of marriages fail. Back in the good 'ole days, before women had rights and sex was one's reproductive duty, it was better

-Arrian


Yeah, because back in the "good old days" if a husband was a drunken wife beating piece of **** the woman was just **** out of luck. She was stuck with him no matter what. Now days we're just to permissive letting those women walk out like that.

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I don't think he will lose an argument stating that two parents are better than one,


Usually. I've known people better off without one of the parents.

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the context of a marriage allows us to assume a certain level of compatibility and permanence between the two individuals; a security that assures society that the children that will possibly be conceived through the sex act will grow up in stable homes.


That assumes sex ought to be used for the purposes of creating children, Speer.

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I don't think he will lose an argument stating that two parents are better than one, and that ppl who married and have children are more likely to raise the children than are two strangers who got drunk and played hide the pickle one night.


How about an argument that no children are better than one when those are single inevitably decide to have premarital sex?

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Um... that's why you educate people on contraception so it isn't really a problem.


According to the same people (who promote Sex after marriage) Sex Ed of Teenagers is evil, as teenagers who have detailed knowledge about their sexuality (and contraceptives) are more likely to try it before marriage.
So no, teaching them before marriage to use contraceptives isnīt an option (you might try it after marriage though [but of course only, if contraception is allowed in your parish ])

 
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