14-12-2004 07:19									#121
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quote: "ultra-conservative critics would accuse Kinsey of aiding communism by undermining sexual morality and the sanctity of the home."

Aiding communism.

See, we have all the best stuff at the CPA. We own sex, and the dirtier it is, the higher the degree of ownership.

	14-12-2004 07:34									#122
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Okay, let's all broaden our horizons here:

Planned Parenthood does NOT encourage bestiality and all the other silly crap Pat Robertson and company claim. Correct. They promote things other than abortion. Correct. However, they do support abortion as an option, which makes them problematic at best for any pro-lifer, obviously. It'd be nice to see a poll on public support of an organization that endorses contraceptives without the baby-butcher backing to boot. Probably a LOT higher than Planned Parenthood's. PP supports contraceptives and family planning too, but then again the dixiecrats might have stood for a lot of positive things in addition to segregation. We'd still remember them for the racism bit, so let's get serious.

On a similar note for the opposite side of the political spectrum, this is not a two-sided battle here. As fun as it is to vilify the ideological minority, the country is not divided into "pro-sex" and "anti-sex" camps. There are people who just don't want their kids seeing the Levitra commercials, or Janet Jackson's boob, during football games, but are politically neutral. There are people like me who oppose abortion but are all for other forms of family planning. There are people who are horrified by any sex on TV but don't really care what people do when there are no children to see.

And then there's the narrow camp represented by this article. It gets broad support because the only other option is to endorse an equally narrow ideology in the exactly opposite direction. So people go with what offers the most important thing to them even if it does involve "sleeping with the devil," so to speak. Me, I don't care about men having sex with men, and I'm sorry they're anti-contraceptive, but the abortion issue outweighs those for me. I still vote mostly liberal due to the fact that I hate the GOP position on most non-social issues, but it's a two-party system and this is what happens...

	14-12-2004 09:33									#123
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The United States had a war on drugs, and it lost.

The United States had a war on poverty, and it lost.



The United States is now engaged in a war on sex. Anyone care to guess what the outcome will be?

	14-12-2004 09:38									#124
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quote: Exactly that kind of attitude is the reason why the amount of people with STD's in public colleges is exploding.

As che said, the reason it's exploding is because of the paucity of contraceptive education.

quote: PP supports contraceptives and family planning too, but then again the dixiecrats might have stood for a lot of positive things in addition to segregation. We'd still remember them for the racism bit, so let's get serious.

PP was originally created to distribute contraceptives. So I don't think you can minimize that. The abortion issue is more controversial and gets more play, but at the time of Griswold v. Connecticut (where PP was involved), contaception was something controversial.

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I refuse to believe any material from the source of the NY Times.

	14-12-2004 10:35									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I refuse to believe any material from the source of the NY Times.

You loser .

	14-12-2004 11:24									#127
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I only read:

Star
People Magazine
National Enquirer

AND

Hard Copy

Terri Murphy, I'd hit it.

	14-12-2004 11:36									#128
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun The United States had a war on drugs, and it lost. The United States had a war on poverty, and it lost. The United States is now engaged in a war on sex. Anyone care to guess what the outcome will be?

This doesn't bode well for the War on Terror.

	14-12-2004 11:51									#129
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Kids shouldn't watch tv regardless of whether or not there is sex on it. Adults shouldn't watch tv either. It steals your life.

	14-12-2004 11:57									#130
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TV

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It's a time vampire.

	14-12-2004 11:58									#132
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You didn't seem to complain watching my TV when you hung out in Atlanta .

	14-12-2004 12:00									#133
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You have me confused with someone else. We popped off to a bar when we got there, then BG and I went to our motel.

And just because something is bad for you doesn't mean it isn't fun.

	14-12-2004 12:17									#134
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Nope, we came back to my apartment and watched TV before you went back to your motel. And you didn't even have that much to drink!!

And TV is never bad... NEVER!!!

	14-12-2004 12:18									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Nope, we came back to my apartment and watched TV before you went back to your motel. And you didn't even have that much to drink!!

What did we watch???

And I was driving. So drinking lots of beer wasn't in the cards.

	14-12-2004 12:19									#136
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Damned if I know. That was months ago (if not a year ago)!

It may have been HBO though.

	14-12-2004 12:43									#137
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It was almost exactly a year ago.

	14-12-2004 21:18									#138
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quote: You have me confused with someone else. We popped off to a bar when we got there, then BG and I went to our motel.

I'm assuming you mean BunnyGrrl, and not Boris Godunov, or do you have a secret?

	14-12-2004 21:34									#139
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BG = Bunnygrrl
Boris = Boris Godunov

However, on this particular occasion it was my and Imran and Boris in a three way.

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quote: BG = Bunnygrrl Boris = Boris Godunov

As if I didn't know...

quote: However, on this particular occasion it was my and Imran and Boris in a three way.

What happened to the commitment of the party to virtue?

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: However, on this particular occasion it was my and Imran and Boris in a three way. What happened to the commitment of the party to virtue?

There never was any.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara This doesn't bode well for the War on Terror.

I didn't include that one, because that is one war I would like to see won.

I included the war on poverty not because I wouldn't want poverty vanquished, but because Johnson coined that phrase with his Great Society programs. Thanks to the slashing of those programs though by conservatives, we truly lost that war.

	14-12-2004 22:19									#143
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's a time vampire.

Unlike the Net.....

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I didn't include that one, because that is one war I would like to see won. I included the war on poverty not because I wouldn't want poverty vanquished, but because Johnson coined that phrase with his Great Society programs. Thanks to the slashing of those programs though by conservatives, we truly lost that war.

If it makes you feel any better, the government does seem to be winning the war against the middle class. They've also made great strides in their war against Women's reproductive rights. Should I also mention their success in their war against government solvency?

	14-12-2004 23:01									#145
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I'm not discounting it, I'm just saying that, if you believe abortion is murder, you're probably not going to be inclined to give a rat's arse what else PP supports. Especially given the, "if conservatives would dedicate their energy towards contraceptive campaigns and responsible birth control, they would reduce the number of abortions far more effectively than they are by plotting to annex our ovaries and blah blah blah" line commonly used. If the main organization supplying contraceptives and related education is also one of the main organizations pushing abortions, how on earth are pro-lifers expected to support them?

	14-12-2004 23:08									#146
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quote: Originally posted by Thucydides If it makes you feel any better, the government does seem to be winning the war against the middle class. They've also made great strides in their war against Women's reproductive rights. Should I also mention their success in their war against government solvency?

I'm hoping in 2008 we can undo the damage that four more years of Bush as president will have done.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara This doesn't bode well for the War on Terror.

That one's different in that the enemy is external. America won the Cold War and WWII for those reasons.

	14-12-2004 23:39									#148
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's a time vampire.

'Poly is far worse.

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Damn, I must log off.

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NEVER! Keep stayin' online!