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We also have to remember that Lal might try to surrender very quickly, or at least offer NG for a truce, and in that case we would get NG, correct?
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Lausanne, Switzerland
Feb 2002
time: 06:16
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I don't know about you but the Gaians have had their turn, evaluated the situation, played, and..they still have nothing to say!
No diplomatic offer!
I propose this text that Colonel Googlie can edit at his will:
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Gaia's Daughters,
As you surely saw by the opening of your turn, your Faction is now at vendetta with the Spartan Federation. We have already explained elsewhere how the destruction of Angelic probe teams on Spartan soil triggered this automatic response from one of your defensive algorithms.
It is not our intent that this state of affairs last, and it's surely not in your interest too. Thus, we offer you immediate peace and a Treaty to boost our commerce. More, we'd like to trade tech at your advantage: Centauri Empathy for us and two techs of your choice for you.
Remember that we offered you a deal for Neural Grafting a few years ago that you chose to decline! HEY: did they decline or just ignore it, BTW?. Instead of making a profitable agreement, you just deprived yourselves since we got it soon after Lal declared hostilities against us.
Consider also that other factions won't probably trade techs anymore with you for fear that we'll get it for free through our Planetary Datalinks!
Such an offer can't then be turned down lightly if you want to stay a major power in this game.
The Junta allowed me to explain to you the other alternative:
We are now at vendetta with you and the Data Angels. After we'll get the official stance of your two governements about this, we'll take decisions and start implementing them during our next turn.
I let you, of course, imagine what would happen if Spartan negociators could defuse the current state of war with the Angels while Gaians prefer to stay in the current situation.
But, even in the case of a war on two fronts, you're not to ignore that the winning strategy has often been to concentrate on the weakest enemy first and take him down.
I regret to inform you that, in such a case, YOU would be that weakest link, and that the current geopolitics on Chiron would prevent anybody to help you, should we decide to impose a Treaty by...other means than politics.
You can now decide in all knowledge of the situation whether you want peaceful cohabitation and accept a juicy deal or choose to reap the grapes of wrath.
We'd like to know your reply before our next Council of War in 2183, and really hope peaceful collaboration between our two people is still possible.
With all Spartan consideration and respect,
Ambassador John Polton 
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You'll remark it isn't any blackmail or racket:we offer them more than we'll get!
And also, it doesn't disclose anything...since we haven't decided anything yet.
So, in brief, feel free to discuss it, change it, send it to thrash or to the Gaians. But it sure would be a kick in their ant-hill, and we'll get at least some kind of answer.
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Commanding Officer, CRYPTEIA
Apr 1999
time: 21:16
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How about :
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To: Lords of the Gaian Union
As you would have seen upon opening your turn, the Gaian Union is now in vendetta with the Spartan Federation. We have already explained elsewhere how the destruction of two Data Angels probe teams on Spartan soil triggered this automatic response from one of your defensive algorithms.
It is not our intent that this state of affairs last, and it's surely not in your interests either. Thus, we offered you - in the diplomatic box - immediate peace and a Treaty to boost our commerce.
But we would like to extend this into a deeper trading realtionship, and would suggest a trade of the following technologies, to both our mutual benefit. The Gaian Union sends Centauri Empathy to the Spartan Federation, and in return we will send any two techs of your choice to you.
(Remember that we offered you a deal for Neural Grafting a few years ago -which you chose to ignore.) Instead of making a trade that would have profited both our factions, you merely deprived yourselves - since we got it soon after Lal declared hostilities against us.
Consider also that even your Pactmates probably will be reluctant to trade techs anymore with you for fear that the Federation will benefit by getting it for free through our Planetary Datalinks!
We feel that our offer should not be turned down lightly if the Gaian Union wishes to remain a major power in this game.
On a related note, the Junta has agreed to let me set out the Realpolitik of the current situation as we see it, so let me explain to you the other alternative:
We are now at vendetta with the Gaian Union and the Data Angels.
After we'll get the official stance of your two governements about this, we'll take decisions and start implementing them during our next turn.
If Spartan negotiators should happen to defuse the current state of war with the Angels while the Gaian Union elects to stay in Vendetta, I let you, of course, imagine what would happen.
But, even in the case of a war on two fronts, history shows that the winning strategy has often been to concentrate on the weakest enemy first and take them down. And at the expense of being labeled a sabrerattler, it must be obvious to you that in such a case, the Gaian Union would be that weakest link, and that the current geopolitics on Chiron would severly hinder anyone from helping you, should we decide to impose a Treaty by ......... by means other than politics.
You now have a choice - knowing all the facts - whether you want peaceful cohabitation with the Federation and accept a deal hugely favouring the Union, or accept the consequences of ignoring our offer, remaining in vendetta, and ultimately reaping the grapes of wrath.
{We'd like to know your reply before our next Council of War in 2183, and really hope peaceful collaboration between our two great factiions is still possible.}
With all Spartan consideration and respect,
Ambassador John Polton |
I put the tail end paragraph in italics, as we might want to wait until we open the turn to see if they indeed have accepted the treaty offer I put in the diplo box - if they have, then the message becomes just a trade offer. if they are still in vendetta, thern we can send this out with the date being one year later.
I think that the turn has moved too quickly for the Gaians and Angels to have collaborated on a joint military strategy that will affect us this turn (air strikes at the ships and bases, etc). The Angels' tactics seem to be reactionary rather than pro-active (blocking access with a needlejet, dropping 2 probes, etc) and it'll take time for them to assemble any kind of task force - or upgrade offensive units to drop capability - so I think we might just see some pinprick action these next couple of turns
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Googlie
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Commanding Officer, CRYPTEIA
Apr 1999
time: 21:16
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This was their PM reply a few days ago to our feeler re techtrade and governorship support (I think I copied it elsewhere at that time, as there was some comment from Spartan Officres):
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Private Message from Chaos Theory
ACDG diplomacy
1) Perhaps instead of askng us what we'd like, you could propose which techs you'd be willing to trade.
2) We haven't come to a consensus on the price of granting you universal infiltration. You realize, of course, that the governorship is often granted to the weak, rather than the strong, as evidenced by Lal. When are you planning on holding elections, anyway? |
Our list is huge:
Adaptive Doctrine
Adaptive Economics
Advanced Subatomic theory
Applied Relativity
Cyberethics
Doc: Initiative
Field Modulation
Nonlinear Math
Optical Computers
Planetary Economics
Progenitpor Psych
Superconductor
Superstring Theory
IMO, we can afford to give the Gaians any techs that Morgan and the Angels already have
Or, having waited this long, should we gamble that the A's won't get PSA next turn and instabuild the HSA?
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Maniac
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Gent, Belgium
Jul 1999
time: 06:16
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Greetings Lord Chaos Theory,
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2) We haven't come to a consensus on the price of granting you universal infiltration. You realize, of course, that the governorship is often granted to the weak, rather than the strong, as evidenced by Lal. When are you planning on holding elections, anyway? |
We do not have any fixed date to call elections. There's little point in doing so before we have a clear picture what the result of such a vote would be. Though of course one probably can't wait indefinitely. Last time it was not a human, but Zakharov who called elections. Who knows we could be surprised again, and Yang will call elections in the hopes of getting voted in. Which is a scary thought. He could veto such motions as a global trade pact, and it would increase his military might even further.
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1) Perhaps instead of askng us what we'd like, you could propose which techs you'd be willing to trade. |
We have lots of techs available:
Adaptive Doctrine
Adaptive Economics
Advanced Subatomic theory
Applied Relativity
Cyberethics
Doc: Initiative
Field Modulation
Nonlinear Math
Optical Computers
Planetary Economics
Progenitor Psych
Superconductor
Superstring Theory
Advanced Military Algorithms
And we could pledge our and Zakharov's support for a global trade pact.
We hope you will consider this proposal.
On behalf of the Junta,
Colonel Pedro 'Maniac' Riveira
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Send it? Should some techs be excluded from the list of available for sale? We're the only ones with Applied Relativity. IIRC no one else has Planetary Economics either, but if we're considering trading it to Morgan, we might as well trade it to Gaia.
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Maniac
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Gent, Belgium
Jul 1999
time: 06:16
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Greetings Lords of the Gaian Union,
As this year we have located three Angel units in the Spartan sphere of influence, as we have observed a military build-up in Mart Pact, as they have stolen credits from the University of Planet, on top of dropping a few probes on our territory a couple years back, we have decided to perform a military raid on Angel territory. We shall continue this operation until the Angel government is willing to pay back immediately the sum of credits stolen from the University Protectorate.
Once again there has been an automatic declaration of war by the Gaian AI. We have no quarrel with you however, and therefore we have offered you a treaty. We hope you will accept it, so our relations need not deteriorate due to the Angel refusal to behave.
On behalf of the Junta,
Colonel Pedro 'Maniac' Riveira
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Send something like this?
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26-05-2005 23:10
Do you know we'll get Centauri Empathy in six turns via the Planetary Datalinks?
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