23-12-2004 17:01									#31
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quote: -China (Kuomintang)

Maybe this will help. I've been saving them for a scenario I've got in the works but they could be just as useful for this scenarion.

- Kuomintang Sun flag and shield

	23-12-2004 17:04									#32
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The essentials of what I need are as follows:
-A6M2 Zero Fighter
-Ki-84 Hayate Fighter
-Japanese Mainline Bomber (I'm uncertain as to the model)
-Baka
-US SBD Dauntless Fighter
-US Hellcat Fighter/Bomber
-US P-38 Fighter/Bomber (may be the same as above)
-British and Australian Spitfire (seperate units)
-Japanese Type 97 Chi-Ha Tank
-Chinese Cavalry
-Soviet Siberian Troops
-Hong Kong Volunteers
-Artillery (I'm a little grey on calibres and models there)
-Japanese Submarine
-Japanese Destroyer
-Japanese Battleship
-Japanese Carrier
-Japanese Transport
-Kaitan
-American Destroyer
-American Battleship
-American Carrier
-American Transport
-British Destroyer
-British Battleship
-Communist Chinese Insurgents
-Nepali/Bhutani/Mongolian Garrisons
I think that would cover it, unless I'm missing something. Thanks for any help you can give.

	23-12-2004 17:06									#33
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Thanks a lot, Saladin23! That may well help.

	23-12-2004 17:45									#34
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I'd suggest scrapping the Hong Kong Volunteers and replacing them with the Straits Volunteer Corps of Malaya, for several reasons.

1) The battle of Hong Kong lasted from only 8-26 December whereas the Battle of Malaya (and Singapore) lasted from 7 December to 15 Feburary.

2) Hong Kong is represented by only one city, not much use having a unit that appears only once in the whole game. The SVC fought throughout Malaya from 1941-42, and took part in the final battle of Singapore.

I'd also suggest adding Chindit guerilla fighters under British control.

	23-12-2004 18:42									#35
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That sounds reasonable, typhoon. Amend my list above appropriately. Thanks a lot!

	23-12-2004 19:42									#36
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* A6M2 Zero Fighter - I placed two versions, one white, the other with some green camo.

* Ki-84 Hayate Fighter - No info on that one, a Ki-67 Tony would be something different though

* Japanese Mainline Bomber - I added a G4M Betty as well as a Ki-67 Hiryu and two camo versions of the Aichi D3A Val. I hope this is alrighty

* Baka - What the heck is that?

* US SBD Dauntless - a USN divebomber ...

* US Hellcat Fighter/Bomber - as requested!

* US P-38 Fighter/Bomber - by Mr Graphics Fairline

* British and Australian Spitfire (seperate units) - as requested!

* Japanese Type 97 Chi-Ha Tank - choose yourself

* Chinese Cavalry - I have to pass this one

* Soviet Siberian Troops

* Hong Kong/SVC Volunteers - I think some of Fairline´s East Asia troops should fit in well

* Artillery - Since I have not too much clue of that topic I compiled what Fairline provided us with so far

About the other units you need to specify what you really need. I think more generic naval units won´t be too bad either

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	23-12-2004 19:53									#37
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Ermm... actually the British Malaya troops were adapted from fairline by me, if I may say so.

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	23-12-2004 20:01									#38
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If you give the torpedo bombers the 'submarine' flag, they can attack BBs and other naval units.

Leading to a dedicated naval aircraft.
You might have to change the submarine sound files a bit.

Not sure how the AI would use them though...!

	23-12-2004 20:28									#39
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Here is what the Straits Settlements Volunteer Force/ Singapore Volunteer Corps would have looked like. They wore pith helmets

Photographic evidence attached

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	23-12-2004 20:30									#40
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Baka/Okha suicide plane by Nemo(?)

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	23-12-2004 20:34									#41
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Tanelorn made some excellent USN fighters as well

F4 Corsair, F6 Hellcat, F4 Wildcat

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	23-12-2004 20:50									#42
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Patine, here is the Okha suicide plane I told you about from the graphical update I did for Nemo's 2194, which still to this day has never been downloaded once I'm told.

I spent ten days on the icons alone.

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	23-12-2004 20:59									#43
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Nice plane Chris. Sorry to hear about your update,if I could find it, I'd download it at once. Judging by your work I'd say that it just needs some publicity, because in technical terms it is already superior.

Heres a go at the Chinese cavalry. I haven't the foggiest what kind of uniforms and equipment they used so it may be historically inacurrate

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	23-12-2004 21:37									#44
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Well here is the World War Two Pacific Flagset I promised my friend. I included a couple versions of the Soviet Flag that were never actual official flags, but rather their shields look good on the Civ II units.gif. I also included a simple red banner as the communist Chinese flag on account upon closer examination of the communist flag of China at the time, it turned out it was essentially the same as the official Soviet flag.

If I left out any civ that I should not have please let me know and I will make the appropriate fix!

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	23-12-2004 21:39									#45
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I have an off topic question. For some reason all of my attatchments only appear as downloadable links on the threads, as oppose to the actual graphic apearing embeded on the thread itself.

Can anyone explain why that is?

	23-12-2004 21:43									#46
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they're in bmp format. only gifs show up

	23-12-2004 22:14									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock Patine, here is the Okha suicide plane I told you about from the graphical update I did for Nemo's 2194, which still to this day has never been downloaded once I'm told. I spent ten days on the icons alone.

If you can type up a short paragraph of info, it would be useful to
inform Harry, or Merc, and get it announced on the newsgroups.

I assume this scen did not happen to be announced.

Is it on CDG? - I will DL it immediately.
I was not sure if it had been finished finally.
Also, I want to see these Icons!

	23-12-2004 23:15									#48
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It was a project Denis over at CDG requested I take up. It was available for download at a PBEM thread at one point but I believe that thread has been discontinued. I will ask him if its available anywhere else.

	23-12-2004 23:23									#49
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If you can find a link or a nod towards the scen, I will add it to my collection!

	23-12-2004 23:46									#50
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Thanks a lot, guys! I think I have almost all the units I need, now, except for naval units. I think generic destroyer, cruiser, submarine, battleship, carrier, and transport units should do. That would only leave the Soviet Siberian troops, Communist Chinese insurgents, and neutral garrison, but they're ultimately minor. I really appreciate the help!

	24-12-2004 03:30									#51
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Oh, and before I forget, I also need a good Thai infantry unit (I don't think WW2 Thailand had much more than infantry). That should about cover it. Thanks!

	24-12-2004 07:44									#52
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Thai troops and Siberian infantry are in this thread. Look at my Malaya units post and Jim's post. I'll work on the Communists, if I am able to.

	24-12-2004 07:48									#53
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quote: Originally posted by typhoon although Aussie units can also be built by the Commonwealth player to reflect the Australian prescence in Slim's XIV Army.

The only Australian presence in the Burma theatre was a couple of fighter squadrons from the RAAF and a few destroyers. No ground troops were ever deployed in the Burma theatre (Churchill tried to force the Australian government to send our troops which were returning from the Middle East to Burma in early 1942, but the Australian government correctly refused to do this).

Basically, the best way to model Australia would be to make it part of the US civ, and give the British/Indian civ a few Australian infantry units in Malaya at the start of the war.

	24-12-2004 07:53									#54
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Oops, my bad.

But I'm quite sure there were Aussie troops in Malaya under Archibald Wavell at some time. Led by that Gordon Bennet fellow, no less

	24-12-2004 08:13									#55
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@ Patine

Here is the Thai. I've added somemore Commonwealth troops too.

Left to right: SSVF, Sikh infantry, Malay Infantry, Thai infantry

	24-12-2004 08:13									#56
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Doh, heres the file

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	24-12-2004 08:19									#57
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The most difficult problem to solve will be the "carrier" problem. The AI, as I understand it, WON'T build anything in the carrier slot unless it absolutely must. Additionally, the AI simply doesn't seem to have the slightest clue as to how to use carriers OR make amphibious landings. Any amphibious landings that are made seem to be more random chance than programming. I have the Pacific theatre scens, and have attempted them all. They all have this problem, or I'd have already made one myself. Someone was working on a ToT Pacific scen, replete with four separate maps, but I'm not sure who, or if said creator gave it up, or if the finished product is out there somewhere.

Good luck.

	24-12-2004 08:47									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Exile The most difficult problem to solve will be the "carrier" problem. The AI, as I understand it, WON'T build anything in the carrier slot unless it absolutely must. Additionally, the AI simply doesn't seem to have the slightest clue as to how to use carriers OR make amphibious landings. Any amphibious landings that are made seem to be more random chance than programming. I have the Pacific theatre scens, and have attempted them all. They all have this problem, or I'd have already made one myself. Someone was working on a ToT Pacific scen, replete with four separate maps, but I'm not sure who, or if said creator gave it up, or if the finished product is out there somewhere. Good luck.

Exile, what do you think about my high value unit idea I posted above?

	24-12-2004 10:02									#59
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A few suggestions:

Carriers:

Give the US AI carriers (with planes) via events. So if "x" ship is destroyed then a carrier appears near some islands.

Amphib Assaults:

Again use events to give units to US AI to make assaults and give them the "go to" instruction - ie the units are spawned and then given the coordinates to attack. Nemo used this to great effect in Red Front.

Best of luck on the scenario

	24-12-2004 12:07									#60
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I think you might be able to get around the amphib/air assault challenge using HT's methods, but I strongly suspect Exile's right about the AI's inability to use CV's. Given a chance, (i.e. af>0) it will likely squander them, fully loaded, in direct suicidal attacks.

quote: Originally posted by Exile Someone was working on a ToT Pacific scen, replete with four separate maps, but I'm not sure who, or if said creator gave it up, or if the finished product is out there somewhere.

That was Darth Veda's Kyokujitsu. I believe he released the alpha version. Not only had four overlapping maps, but also had multiple ToT Events files.

For some reason I have Darth's Rules.txt for the initial phase.

His units were:

Settlers
Artillery
Nipponese
Marines
Ki-61 Hien
Ki-10 Perry
Ki-45 Toryu
Ki-21 Sally
Flamethrower
Refugee
A2N1
N1K1 Shiden
G3M3 Nell
Transport
Fleet Carrier
Light Carrier
Dreadnought
Battleship
Heavy Cruiser
Light Cruiser
Destroyer
Cruiser CA
Cruiser CL
Destroyer DD
Liberty Ship
Carrier CV
Battleship CB
Battleship BB
Dreadnought DBB
Scrap Metal
Gato Sub
C-1 Sub
G.I.
Roughneck
D1A2 Susie
B5N1 Kate
D4Y1 Suisei
Gladiator
P-40C Warhawk
P-38D Lightning
P-51B Mustang
B-10
B-25A Mitchell
F2A Buffalo
F4F-3 Wildcat
SBD-3 Dauntless
TBD Devastator
Chinese Irregulars
I-16
Oil Shipment
Chinese Regulars
Guerillas
UK Infantry
Red Army
Chindits
UK Naval Infantry
Anti-Aircraft
Battery
Bunker
Corrigedor
Sea Mine
T-26 Tank
Rubble
P.O.W.
Cavalry
Gasoline
French Infantry
Siberian Regiment
Chinese Elite
F4U-1 Corsair
Deluge
Armored Infantry
Airbase
not used t
not used u
not used v
not used w
not used x
not used y
Ki-30 Ann

Improvements:
Nothing
Capitol
Recruitment Center
Fuel Dump
Theater
Smelter
Military Base
Courthouse
City Roads
Customs
P.O.W. Camp
Bhudist Temple
Ammo Dump
not used
Kenpeitai Office
Steel Mill
Ammunition Plant
Lend-Lease
Tin Mines
Rolling Mill
Hydro Plant
Nuclear Plant
Stamping Plant
Fuel Storage
Oil Refinery
Dutch East Indies
HOT Lab
Flak Batteries
Coastal Fortress
Solar Plant
Fishing Port
Offshore Platform
Airport
Police Station
Drydocks
Transporter
SS Structural
SS Component
SS Module
(Industrial Goods)
U.S. Fuel Storage
Tokko HQ
Nanking
Admiral Yamamoto
A2N Conversion Project
Hollywood
Kuomintang HQ
YES--U.S. Resolve
East U.S.S.R.
Marco Polo's Embassy
Yamato Damashii
Diet
Admiral Toyoda
Kenpeitai HQ
War Production Board
Meiji Shrine
Naval Headquarters
U.S. Oil
Yamamoto's Tactics
Statue of Liberty
Pointy Object
Ship Conversion Project
U.S. Steel Trade
Moonpie Project
Disjointed Nations
CannonManProject
A5M Conversion Project
Emperor's Devine Light

Advances:
Warrior Spirit
Yamamoto's Death
A5M Conversion
Guadalcanal
Tarawa
xAutomobile
Kwajalein
Bridge Building
Bougainville
Cinematography
Saipan
Guam
Peleliu
Leyte Gulf
Iwo Jima
War Government
Okinawa
RADAR
Fortification
U.S. Engineering
Japanese Construction
xDemocracy
Marianas Captured
Canton Harbor
xElectronics
Burma Road
A5M Expiration
A2N Expiration
xExplosives
Manila Captured
Singapore Captured
Democracy
Naval Blockade
Flag 1
xGuerrilla Warfare
xGunpowder
Flag 2
Industrialization
xInvention
Flag 3
Flag 4
Flag 5
Flag 6
Flag 7
Flag 8
Flag 9
xMap Making
Flag 10
... Infantry
... Infantry
... Infantry
... Infantry
... Fighters
xMobile Warfare
Naval Direction
Bhudism
Moving pictures
xNavigation
... Fighters
xNuclear Power
Doolittle's Raid
... Ground Equipment
... Ground Equipment
... Bombers
... Bombers
... Attack Aircraft
xRadio
xRailroad
... Attack Aircraft
Flag 11
xRefrigeration
Communism
Flag 12
Flag 13
Flag 14
xSeafaring
Flag 15
Flag 16
Flag 17
Flag 18
Flag 19
Flag 20
Bushido Code
Flag 21
Trade
... a Heavy Cruiser
Flag 22
Flag 23
... a Submarine
Nothing
... a Light Cruiser
... a Light Cruiser
Flag 24
Flag 25
... a Destroyer
... a Destroyer
... a Destroyer
... a Destroyer
... Transports
... Transports

Civs
Stalin 0 1 0 Soviets
Zhukov 0 2 0 Red Army
Tojo 0 3 1 IJA
Yammamoto 0 4 1 IJN
Roosevelt 0 5 2 Allies
Chiang Kai-Shek 0 6 3 Chinese
Pibun 0 7 3 Indochinese