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Uncle Sparky
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Winnipeg
Jan 1970
time: 23:13
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As I posted in the main thread, I suspect aid sent to India, Thailand and Malaysia will likely reach those it was intended to help. I would not be surprised if the hard hit Tamil regions of Sri Lanka receive a disproportionate amount of aid to the rest of the Sri Lankans effected.
I suspect sending money to Indonesia will, sadly be rather useless.
As for foreign government offers of aid - Canada has a state of the art mobile water purification unit that can supply safe water for ,iirc, 10,000 people per day. When asked if we would be sending it, the Prime Ministers' lackey stated that, "no one has asked for it." The same excuse, or rational was used for not sending it to Haiti a few months ago during the devastating flooding there. Fact is, Canada has no military transport planes capable of shipping it where it is needed. I'm a pacifist, but we need some military infrastructure, not just Brit and French castoffs.
Damn pathetic.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:13
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Right, two or three days. DId you just watch the press conference? They totally ****ed it up.
I mean, they are doing what they can NOW. But, response time was more than pathetic. Fastest, yeah because Swedes were even slower. Barely OK in european average standard. And what does that mean? Double pathetic anyway.
It was ****ed up. Foreign minister Tuomioja among the biggest **** ups there is. Did you listen to this guy? What kidn of retard this POS is? Coming in like from having sex to TV once again with his 30 euro suit saying 'there are no casualties in Khao Lak? Did you hear how they managed the information gathering? They were like a day late with all of their information. EVERYONE else seemed to be on the tip of the real situation. Tuomioja was prolly too busy thinking something else. It doesn't amtter what he was doing, when it happens, he drops it all and concentrates 100% to this task. AND stops with his misinformation. IF he doesn't know, he says 'I DO NOT KNOW YET, I WILL BE BRIEFED SOON AFTER THIS' and not 'NO CASUALTIES IN THERE.'.
Did you see Niinistö? He was about to kick Tuomioja's sorry ass yesterday in the news. I wish he would have beaten the **** out of the commie ****. I know I'm biased, I hate that dude, but no matter how I look at this, he's a total **** up and deserves to lose his job over this.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:13
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That's right I'm pissed off. They said.. their response, today's response was 'we didn't know how big the disaster was, it came as a total surprise to us'. Well I was watching BBC and CNN and it was pretty obvious the disaster is horrible. They knew the next day there are over 2000 Finns there. So what the hell was the excuse for the slow response time?
Have you heard the survivor stories? They say they saw no Finns anywhere. They didn't see anyone on the airports. They had to use Swedes there to make up some plans, because there were no finns. ONE SINGLE Finn was sent to Bangkok to the airport as an action, because they expected some of our citizens will be there soon. One person!??! That's it.
Did you hear that NO ONE came to see anyone in the hospitals to gather the names of Finns for many days? it was the scuba diver guy who has done it all virtually. He is the hero in there, who gathers them together, or at least their names.
and HE says that there's no Finns around there, no one from embassy, ministery, or even travel agencies. For days?! It takes only one person to go over the nearest hospitals. No one came. NO ONE. For days? You call that excellent? That's ****ing horrible action. It has been the local people who have helped us in there, feeding them and rescuing, and some Finns have been rescuing themselves because no one is coming to help. They are super bitter, have you heard their comments? NO ONE has said they did a good job. virtually all have said they are pissed off, because they were totally left alone there for days. Thanks to locals is that they are now where they are. They are the ones who they are grateful.
They had the FRF, Finnish Rescue Force, trained for these things, and they weren't deployed. Even they said they were amazed no one called them to say GO GO GO. They were all mentally ready already right after they heard the news. No one sent them. Ministery made the call on that one. How can you call that excellent?
There will be many dead because of theri slow response time and incompetent follow up. They need to be airlifted out of there ASAP. The temperature is up, they have too much to take care on their own there already, and we're now fixing up a plane to get the badly wounded ones? Thanks to Finnair they actually could do it! It took 3 hours for the mechanics to turn one plane into ambulance plane. That's heroic effort. 3 hours! It took less than that to get granted the permission to turn the plane itno that and fly it from the aviation what ever federation. They got doctors and nurses, qualified ones fast who volunteered. The plane is about to go there soon. But people are dying there because of this ****. SO the pro's needed only so and so many hours to do all this, while our ministery is drinking coffee and thinking what should we do?
It's not impossible to start preparations first, and then see how it develops. This is what should have been done. And yes they are only humans. But humans do get fired from their jobs when they **** up. This **** up have costed lives.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:13
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OK. I make more .. coherent post.
THe actions they are now taking are just fine. They are doing all they can. I agree.
Response time, pathetic. They say they couldn't have known. They seem to be the only ones not watching news then. They were horrible lagging on their info. That is incompetent behaviour. They should be on the top of the sitaution, what ever it is.
Now, they started the big preparations after their response. Not before, after. We would have had that ambulance plane ready to go there on tuesday, had they just decided to do that. At that point they had the data of Finns, they had 'at least 200 are missing, more injured'. They knew the coniditions of the place, the medical conditions and the severety of the situation. It's only now starting to grow as more horrible disaster. If we have those teams, whose sole purpose is to save our citizens in distress in disasters in foreign lands, why weren't they sent AT ALL? What kind of a disaster it has to be. 200 isn't enough? And why can't they prepare it so they are ready, when the decision is made?
They just can't handle these crisis situations professionally. They're newbies. What they should have done is get suggestions and then ask 'what is the worst case scenario, what are we talking about'. That's it! They knew there were over 2000 finns there. SO the worst case scenario is 'BAD'. Next up 'OK, prepare, use these measures, have them ready in case we need to send in..'.
And then with their late response they could have anounced 'we have sent x and y already'. NOT 'we're thinking of measures we can take'. You know, it's matter of hours for many in there injured.
You call everyone up, you start the measurements and follow the situations. You don't call someone, follow the situation half assed and then decide something.
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