13-01-2005 19:34									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Cylons are now using Victoria's Secret models as spys.

And if you've seen her nude shots, you'd get a boner the size of the Empire State Building. She's incredibly hot!

	13-01-2005 19:42									#32
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I like the president- it is easy to believe that all she would be is a secretary of education until forced into the position- at the same time she minces few words, and gets her way without being shrill or masculine, ismply because she knows she is right, knows what has to be done, and expectsit done, and people see that and do it.

Of course there are alwasy some basic little things that baffle, likewhy the galactica itself seems to have no real built in missile defenses, when it would seem like an obvious need- but the show is written well enough to overcome those things.

Oh,and as for the search of a mythical earth, when do they mention that? it was not in the movie.

	13-01-2005 19:59									#33
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I like the president- it is easy to believe that all she would be is a secretary of education until forced into the position- at the same time she minces few words, and gets her way without being shrill or masculine, ismply because she knows she is right, knows what has to be done, and expectsit done, and people see that and do it.

I like the tension between her and Adama. There's a very good military vs civilian theme where Adama naturally wants to kick butt and the President wants to save as many refugees as possible and find a safe haven.

quote: Of course there are alwasy some basic little things that baffle, likewhy the galactica itself seems to have no real built in missile defenses, when it would seem like an obvious need- but the show is written well enough to overcome those things.

In part 2, Galactica uses its gun turrets. I presume the gun turrets are a missile defense system.

quote: Oh,and as for the search of a mythical earth, when do they mention that? it was not in the movie.

At the end of part 2, Adama says that he knows the location of Earth, that only a few military commanders were told the location so that it would stay a secret from the cylons. After the speech, the President challenges his claim and Adama admits it is just a legend but he explains that he told the crew about Earth to give them hope.

	13-01-2005 20:00									#34
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quote: like the president- it is easy to believe that all she would be is a secretary of education until forced into the position- at the same time she minces few words, and gets her way without being shrill or masculine, ismply because she knows she is right, knows what has to be done, and expectsit done, and people see that and do it.

I haven't seen her make a good decision yet. She seems like a Golden Phesant snob who doesn't realize she is now an obsolete relic who has no knowledge or expertise about anything she is talking about. Hope they throw her into an airlock eventually.

	13-01-2005 20:03									#35
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Oh,and as for the search of a mythical earth, when do they mention that? it was not in the movie.

Huh? It's all over the last 5-10 minutes of the movie. The commander gives the speech to the crew at the funeral of the fallen and claims he knows where it is because it is a government-kept secret and that's where they will go.

Later, the president privately confronts commander and says he must be lying about Earth, because even the former president, who knew everything, doubted Earth's existence and thought it was just a myth. The commander admits he made it up to give hope to his crew.

Now, the big hole here is that there's no reason the Secretary of Education would really know any deeply-held government secret.

In fact, I'm not sure I like the mentioning of Earth at all. I know it's the same in the original series, but it to me it is effecting the realism of the show (oddly enough).

	13-01-2005 20:04									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos I haven't seen her make a good decision yet. She seems like a Golden Phesant snob who doesn't realize she is now an obsolete relic who has no knowledge or expertise about anything she is talking about. Hope they throw her into an airlock eventually.

How about the decision to leave the ships that didn't have lightspeed? That was pretty clearly a good decision, considering what happened.

On top of that, it was her decision to hunt for survivors in the first place instead of following Adama's orders to regroup. Right decision? Yep.

And it was her call to run instead of "counterattacking" the Cylons, which would just have been retarded. Right decision? Yep.

Which decision was wrong?

	13-01-2005 20:14									#37
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs They do mention the colony names but really only to tell what had been hit or to ask if they had.

I know, but every time they mention them I flashback to the first version and the fluffy-haired pansies :shudders:. Hopefully, it will be a rare occurance on the series.

	13-01-2005 20:15									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus And that's just the mini. I think in the series so far a colony name has been mentioned only once or twice (just as background info, nothing remotely relevant to the plot).

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	13-01-2005 20:23									#39
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I haven't seen the show and I'm not sure about the concept of this hot cylon spy.

Can we have more pictures so I can make up my mind?

	13-01-2005 20:23									#40
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quote: How about the decision to leave the ships that didn't have lightspeed? That was pretty clearly a good decision, considering what happened.

Watch that scene again and tell me who made the right decision

quote: On top of that, it was her decision to hunt for survivors in the first place instead of following Adama's orders to regroup. Right decision? Yep.

So the president has a little more wit than a whiny 2nd LT fighter pilot. Excellent bar. She picked porkchops of Lo Mein for lunch too. She get props for that too?

quote: And it was her call to run instead of "counterattacking" the Cylons, which would just have been retarded. Right decision? Yep.

Because we know there Earth does exist it seems like the right decison. As far as they are concerned, what they have really done is take a few thousand people out into deep space to starve/suffocate to death. Oh yeah, and since we know what the state of Earth is at the moment (remember BSG is present day), thanks for leading the Cylon fleet here too ass holes. I would take laying a world of hurt on a few Cylons over that anyday.

	13-01-2005 20:34									#41
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IIRC they said that earth was the first colony. That being the case, how come the 12 colonies are so advanced relative to us?

	13-01-2005 20:35									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Because we know there Earth does exist it seems like the right decison. As far as they are concerned, what they have really done is take a few thousand people out into deep space to starve/suffocate to death. Oh yeah, and since we know what the state of Earth is at the moment (remember BSG is present day), thanks for leading the Cylon fleet here too ass holes. I would take laying a world of hurt on a few Cylons over that anyday.

THis was int he book also (which came first?), wouldn't be BSG without this idea.

JM

	13-01-2005 20:47									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Watch that scene again and tell me who made the right decision

Um, YEAH. If she hadn't given the order, the entire fleet would have been vaporized by the Cylons. Did you watch the same movie I did?

quote: So the president has a little more wit than a whiny 2nd LT fighter pilot. Excellent bar. She picked porkchops of Lo Mein for lunch too. She get props for that too?

Not Apollo, ADAMA, as in the commander. Cmdr Adama ordered them to regroup immediately. It was her decision to stay and find survivors. Her decision made it so nearly 50,000 people who would have died survived. Is that comparable to porkchops and lo mein to you?

quote: Because we know there Earth does exist it seems like the right decison. As far as they are concerned, what they have really done is take a few thousand people out into deep space to starve/suffocate to death.

Um, first, if you had paid attention, you'd know that they don't know that Earth exists.

Her decision was right regardless, because now they at least have a chance. The other decision was to stay and be slaughtered by an enemy that outnumbered them a bazillion to one. What kind of retarded person would think that's the right decision?

They may starve in deep space, but they may find refuge on other habitable planets, or at least find sources of food. I'd certainly prefer that possibility over certain death at the hands of the Cylons.

quote: Oh yeah, and since we know what the state of Earth is at the moment (remember BSG is present day), thanks for leading the Cylon fleet here too ass holes. I would take laying a world of hurt on a few Cylons over that anyday.

First, we don't know BSG is present day, as that was the original series. This isn't the original series.

Second, as reiterated above, they don't know Earth exists. The commander admitted to lying about knowing it. He mentioned it to keep spirits up--as far as they really know, it's just a myth.

Thirdly, what "world of hurt" would they lay on the Cylons? As the final battle showed, the BSG was going to get ****ed up royally. There wouldn't be any hurt on the Cylons, it would just be a quick slaughter of the humans.

Thank god you're not a commander of any kind! I'd hate to see you leading your people into certain death because you're too stubborn to know when you've lost and it's time to retreat.

	13-01-2005 20:50									#44
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH IIRC they said that earth was the first colony. That being the case, how come the 12 colonies are so advanced relative to us?

I don't think so, I think what was said was that there were 13 groups that founded the colonies out of Cobalt (sp?), and one of the groups was never heard from again. So they myth is that the 13th faction founded Earth, the lost colony.

As for why it would be backwards, I guess the explanation would be that the group had some sort of disaster and crashlanded on earth with a few survivors who had to propogate the species in primitive conditions.

	13-01-2005 20:53									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov The other decision was to stay and be slaughtered by an enemy that outnumbered them a bazillion to one. What kind of retarded person would think that's the right decision?

Let's remember that Adama originally wanted to stand and fight but when the Galactica is surrounded by the 2 Cylon Base ships at that weapons depot, that he realizes that the President was right and they need to run.

What I wonder is will the series have the Galactica discover new tech or make new allies that will help them defeat the Cylons militarily?

	13-01-2005 20:59									#46
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Let's remember that Adama originally wanted to stand and fight but when the Galactica is surrounded by the 2 Cylon Base ships at that weapons depot, that he realizes that the President was right and they need to run.

Oh I know, and he was wrong. He wasn't thinking clearly, he was just in gun-ho "Fight 'Em!" mode without considering the reality of the situation. The president ably brought him back to reality by pointing out that the war was lost. Game over, humans lost. When you're reduced to 50,000 people with one battleship, it's finished. So you either retreat and hope to survive as a species somewhere else, or you get butchered by an enemy with no mercy.

	13-01-2005 21:02									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov In fact, I'm not sure I like the mentioning of Earth at all. I know it's the same in the original series, but it to me it is effecting the realism of the show (oddly enough).

To be frank, it has yet to come up in the series, which so far mostly focused on survival and getting away from the Cylons (but note that I haven't seen all episodes yet). I only mentioned it because it was such an important part of the original series and fairly prominently featured in (the end of) the movie. But I'm pretty sure it will become an issue again at some point in the future, especially if this show ends up running longer than the original series (which seems likely, considering the buzz it's already generated and how well it's being received in the UK *knocks on wood*).

	13-01-2005 21:15									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Game over, humans lost. When you're reduced to 50,000 people with one battleship, it's finished. So you either retreat and hope to survive as a species somewhere else, or you get butchered by an enemy with no mercy.

Well, I like to think they lost the battle not the war. The show is about human courage and perseverance. Like the Cylon spy says at the end, if humans are allowed to regroup, they will want revenge and eventually gain the means to do so. Maybe the series finale could involve humans getting their revenge. Humans find Earth and gain the technology the manpower to fight back, there is a huge final battle and the humans wipe the Cylons out.

	13-01-2005 21:17									#49
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Possibly, but that's such a remote possibility from the perspective of the survivors that are left. The best they should hope for right now is just to live. Payback ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

	13-01-2005 22:09									#50
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I like the president- it is easy to believe that all she would be is a secretary of education until forced into the position- at the same time she minces few words, and gets her way without being shrill or masculine, ismply because she knows she is right, knows what has to be done, and expectsit done, and people see that and do it. Of course there are alwasy some basic little things that baffle, likewhy the galactica itself seems to have no real built in missile defenses, when it would seem like an obvious need- but the show is written well enough to overcome those things. Oh,and as for the search of a mythical earth, when do they mention that? it was not in the movie.

I think its from Alas babylon having the education secretary survive. Commander Adama was in charge of both the fleet and apparently on the council of the 12 in the old series.

They did mention earth, it was in the speech he gave after jumping out.

As for the galactica I guess they wanted to shoot for having a low tech ship. All the higher tech stuff running Baltar's latest and greatest probably had the software to do pd, but they also had the off switch since apparently no one else checked the code and it got put into every single military construct. Interdiction fire did however shoot down quite a few fighters and missiles, just not all of them.Why would the cylons waste fighters in such a case? why didn't the base ships do a bum rush into the area when they saw the ships jumping out? their new stuff can apparently go in there for a while? They got some splaining to do.

	13-01-2005 22:18									#51
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Let's remember that Adama originally wanted to stand and fight but when the Galactica is surrounded by the 2 Cylon Base ships at that weapons depot, that he realizes that the President was right and they need to run.

Thats not what caused his change of mind. It was the realization that humanity could recover despite their dire straights. Adama was watching the crewman and presidents aide flirting (hence the comment "they'll have to have babies").

	13-01-2005 22:19									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov How about the decision to leave the ships that didn't have lightspeed? That was pretty clearly a good decision, considering what happened. On top of that, it was her decision to hunt for survivors in the first place instead of following Adama's orders to regroup. Right decision? Yep. And it was her call to run instead of "counterattacking" the Cylons, which would just have been retarded. Right decision? Yep. Which decision was wrong?

Captain Adama made the decision to leave the slower ships behind, not her. He made it "her" thought baby though, hes sharp.

She made a decision to leave her ship exposed to two incoming thermo nuclear warheads when a jump would have saved everyone on the liner, again Captain Adama pulls something out of his ass and saves everyone, not her. She also wanted the Battlestar to not go to Ragnar and rearm/resupply. That is quite retarded, they are going to need all the ammo and provisions they can get.

Running from the cyclons seems just as retarded, they don't know anything about beyond the red line, and the cyclons would be remiss if they didn't have outposts all over the place out there. they aren't scared of ftl mistakes. Barring earth coming to the rescue, those people are boned.

She also made a decision not to space the criminals. depending on how they want that one to play out it could help or hurt them(in the series they did both ways). But again, I call this retarded.

	13-01-2005 22:20									#53
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH I haven't seen the show and I'm not sure about the concept of this hot cylon spy. Can we have more pictures so I can make up my mind?

Look you losers, hours ago I asked for more pictures of the babe! Stop arguing about stupid plot holes in a science fiction show!

Priorities boys! Priorities!

	13-01-2005 22:27									#54
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IIUC they are still searching the Earth in this new series? I remember with horror the episode(s?) of the original BSG when they finally found the Earth and it had lame late 20th century technology.....

	13-01-2005 22:29									#55
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BTW, about pics has someone a link for me where I can see how the ships look like?

	13-01-2005 22:30									#56
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I'm fighting a losing battle.

	13-01-2005 22:34									#57
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro BTW, about pics has someone a link for me where I can see how the ships look like?

Just go to the official website at http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/

You can see pics of the characters and the ships.

	13-01-2005 22:38									#58
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Just google for Tricia Helfer you lazy w*nker

Just to give you a little preview:



(Couldn't find a full-body version of that shot, you'll have to wait for the reruns and see that for yourself )

	13-01-2005 22:56									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha As for the galactica I guess they wanted to shoot for having a low tech ship. All the higher tech stuff running Baltar's latest and greatest probably had the software to do pd, but they also had the off switch since apparently no one else checked the code and it got put into every single military construct. Interdiction fire did however shoot down quite a few fighters and missiles, just not all of them.Why would the cylons waste fighters in such a case? why didn't the base ships do a bum rush into the area when they saw the ships jumping out? their new stuff can apparently go in there for a while? They got some splaining to do.

I saw the full movie when it was aired originally way back, and missed the last few inutes of this new showing- so i guess I had forgotten that part.

If its the 12 colonies of cobal, what happened to Home?

As for the President: Captain Adama made a suggestion-the president made the decision, and never questioned the situation- a good leader is someone who see's the right choice being presented and takes it- it does not ean she must always get the ideas as well.

As for the ship incident, she did not decide to stay there, the cylons made a sneak attack-and captain adama was quick on his feet: i don't see where she did anything wrong, anyore than you can blame comander Adama for letting a nuke hit his ship

As for running being a stupid idea; Well, one choice has 100% chance of death (the Adama go and fight! decision) and the other has a 99% chance of death (run). That 1% is the difference,and its the right choice.

As for not spacing the criminals- if the point is to ake humanity survive, killing more humans is sort of stupid-htye can always be used later, in many different ways. When you have nothing, don't be wasteful.

	13-01-2005 23:32									#60
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quote: Second, as reiterated above, they don't know Earth exists. The commander admitted to lying about knowing it. He mentioned it to keep spirits up--as far as they really know, it's just a myth.

Awesome Boris. I figured you would have read the comment since you quoted it, so go figure.

quote: Oh yeah, and since we know what the state of Earth is at the moment (remember BSG is present day), thanks for leading the Cylon fleet here too ass holes. I would take laying a world of hurt on a few Cylons over that anyday.

WE, as in us living on earth know it is here. They know nothing. Go out in a blaze of glory or chase a fairy tale. Both are suicide as far as they are concerned, one has style and the other doesn't. And we don't know what the Galactica's chances are against Cylon tech because the Cylons have yet to fight a BS. They just turned them off. Galactica's crew solved that problem.

And again watch the leave behind scene again. Mrs. Prez was all about going out in a blaze of glory so to say by refusing to leave people behind. Captain Adama made the chose and the decision, Mrs. Prez just gave in.