15-01-2005 05:59									#91
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At the start of the mini-series it says that the Cylons had been defeated in a war and were imprisoned on one planet. The girl spy who sabotaged the Colonial military computer system is seen smooth talking her way out of the blockade.

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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove At the start of the mini-series it says that the Cylons had been defeated in a war and were imprisoned on one planet. The girl spy who sabotaged the Colonial military computer system is seen smooth talking her way out of the blockade.

That's not what happened at all. At the start of the miniseries, it says that the Cylons revolted against their human masters and a long, bloody war ensued that was a stalemate. Finally, they reached peace terms that the Cylons would leave the 12 colonies. They did so, completely disappearing. A space station was built in neutral territory for the purposes of diplomatic meetings. Every year, the humans would send a representative, but the Cylons never would show up. For 40 years, nobody heard a thing from the Cylons.

The scene you reference was the female Cylon showing up at one of the yearly "summits," which shocks the human, since he had been expecting no one, as usual. The Cylons then blow up the station, which is the start of their attack on the 12 Colonies.

	15-01-2005 09:36									#93
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After watching both of the two episodes tonight, I think I can say that I found my new Babylon 5

I wish I had rewatched the miniseries last Wed night to refresh my memory on some of the fine points in the story arc. (for one, I forgot about Boomer's Cylonism...)

	15-01-2005 09:40									#94
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spoiler(highlight to read): That she defied her programming not once but twice was interesting. First, she fought against lying about the positive reading, managing to suggest a do-over of the flyby then fought the urge to blow the ship before it oculd report back to the fleet.

	15-01-2005 09:43									#95
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spoiler(highlight to read): Also, it'll be interesting to see how long they make Helo survive planetwide nuclear fallout on Caprica more than a few days...

	15-01-2005 17:38									#96
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Any news about how the successful the new BSG is? How much seasons are planned? I remember that "Space - Above and Beyond" was cancelled despite (IMO) being excellent.....

	15-01-2005 19:54									#97
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Only time will tell. I was very pleased with the first two episodes.

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AAAARGH! I had friends turn up 5 min into the show and the charter dvr wont record. I'll have to wait till sunday to see the show (and visit this thread).

You were right Boris, even from those 5 min it was clear that the religious aspect was gonna be important to the plot.

	15-01-2005 20:28									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov There were indications given in the movie and on the website that the Cylons fighters aren't manned anyway, but remote controlled--although, what that means wrt to a robotic race, I'm not sure. But if there is a difference to the Cylons, then it would explain why they are willing to use fighters as fodder while the manned capital ships stand off. I don't think we can say that the Cylons don't care about their losses. Considering that the plot of the show is going to make them out to be religious zealots, there isn't any reason (so far) to think that they have no regard for their own casualties.

The fighters are quite expendable, but they are expending them for nothing. I'm watching the show, and either the base ships have resupply ouposts all along the Galactica's course so far, or they are slowly using up their fighters and missiles and eventually will have to give up chase on the Galactica.

By the way, the fighters probably are manned, just not by a bipedal robot, just a cpu. No point in doing remote control if you can make a fairly small intelligence unit that will have to be somewhere. I don't think that they have instant communications so controlling ships that were lightminutes away from the fleet would get problematic(and the signal would be a dead giveaway for where the ships were). Whatever is in Baltar's head is probably the same deal, hedonism bot stuck a chip with a version of her on it.

Gepap: They only have a zero chance of survival if the Cylons hunt them down and kill them, otherwise they will explore,expand, expoit, and exterminate.

as for the religion thing, I think that is psy-ops more then anything else. just wierd all the meat bags out.

	15-01-2005 20:45									#100
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No, I think that the master CPU is referred to as "god". The female torturing Baltar seems to be trying to convert Baltar so that they can use him. Of course, it's also possible that their is nothing planted in Baltar's head and he's simply goin mad.

	15-01-2005 21:03									#101
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Are you talking about Battlestar Galactica? The one where Starbuck and Boomer are now women? Bleah.

Yeah its hard to picture a womanizing Starbuck when Starbuck's a female, but I'll wait for the "hotter" scenes later in the series.

That, and I'm still kinda disappointed in the fact that they ditched some of the original and unique story plots and went with generic common themes for the new series.

The dark theme over the campy theme is an improvement though.

	15-01-2005 21:06									#102
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I missed the movie and the miniseries. I saw the two episodes last night though. Wow!

	15-01-2005 21:06									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha The fighters are quite expendable, but they are expending them for nothing. I'm watching the show, and either the base ships have resupply ouposts all along the Galactica's course so far, or they are slowly using up their fighters and missiles and eventually will have to give up chase on the Galactica.

As big as the are, they could easily have processing plants that refine minerals from asteroids and ship debris and then reprocess it into metal and components and fully construct replacement ships.

The suckers are bigger than NYC for crissake!

	15-01-2005 21:12									#104
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb The suckers are bigger than NYC for crissake!

How did you determine that?

	15-01-2005 21:16									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha The fighters are quite expendable, but they are expending them for nothing. I'm watching the show, and either the base ships have resupply ouposts all along the Galactica's course so far, or they are slowly using up their fighters and missiles and eventually will have to give up chase on the Galactica.

On the BSG website, it mentions the possibility that the base stars can manufacture their fighter complement themselves, as GhengisFarb says. It also speculates on the fighters being dronned and not manned.

quote: as for the religion thing, I think that is psy-ops more then anything else. just wierd all the meat bags out.

No, it's been discussed in interviews, the Cylons are true believers. They very much do believe they are god's chosen ones.

	15-01-2005 21:18									#106
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Yeah, "NYC" is a bit of an exaggeration. Perhaps Midtown...

	15-01-2005 21:52									#107
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The shows were very good-excellent starts. I liked the idea of the cylons trying to wear down the humans by depriving them os sleep: thought the reason for why they ended this strategy is curious- if (IF) the way they tracked the fleet was thanks to passangers in the ship destroyed, then why sacrifice that ship in a gambit of questionable efficiency, when their ongoing plan was bound to work in the end?

On Boomer, when in the movies is the switch hinted at or shown? cause I missed it entirely.

As for the Character change- thank God Starbuck is a woman, if only because the lothario role is cliche and obnoxious. Boomer was never more than a fine sidekick, so who cares about what sex that character is? Mixing up the sexes also adds asome romantic tension unless we added gay subtexts which I think TV is generally not ready for, yet.

As for Balthar- it seems clear to me there is much more than just insanity there for his constant discussion with the woman- I think somehting wasd planted in him.

Finally, on Cylon fundamentalism- could their change into androids be part of the reason for their religiosity? Oh, and why would it be hard to find who is who? Don;t they have metal deterctors or X rays???

	15-01-2005 21:54									#108
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Yeah its hard to picture a womanizing Starbuck when Starbuck's a female

Is it?

NYC is huge by the way, even the Midtown is over a square mile.

	15-01-2005 21:58									#109
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quote: Originally posted by GePap if (IF) the way they tracked the fleet was thanks to passangers in the ship destroyed, then why sacrifice that ship in a gambit of questionable efficiency, when their ongoing plan was bound to work in the end?

When the ship failed to jump, the Cylons couldn't exactly let it go without the human wondering, so they switched tactics to something that would possibly work quickly without them catching on before the nukes detonated.

	15-01-2005 21:58									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Is it? NYC is huge by the way, even the Midtown is over a square mile.

NYC is about 300 Square miles, plus. That would be one immense sucker. NO way.

	15-01-2005 22:12									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov On the BSG website, it mentions the possibility that the base stars can manufacture their fighter complement themselves, as GhengisFarb says. It also speculates on the fighters being dronned and not manned.

still even if they can manufacture fighters themselves that means that the resources required have to be readily available which means mining colonies/outposts or the ship has to go on its own exploration/survey missions for hydrogen,oxygen(fuel perhaps),iron,aluminum,unobtainium,etc.

	15-01-2005 22:17									#112
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Finally, on Cylon fundamentalism- could their change into androids be part of the reason for their religiosity? Oh, and why would it be hard to find who is who? Don;t they have metal deterctors or X rays???

The androids are virtually entirely organic. When the Colonials got ahold of the body of a humanoid Cylon they were unable to detect the difference until the body was destroyed and they found some inorganic or other unusual chemical remains. OTOH they hypotheisize that the reason that the Cylon at Ragnarok was damaged by the radiation was because of his silicon pathways. You'd think that they could detect that. I'm pretty sure that an MRI would detect it. Maybe they have minute silicon circuits interposed within their nervous system. Still, I'd think that properly adjusted an MRI would be able to detect the silicon. There is no silicon in the human body.

You know, if someone could get the word to the fleet that person would practically be a hero. Just a suggestion, should any of you fancy yourselves the heroic type.

I wonder what's going to happen when they get to Earth and find that he old gods are all dead?

	15-01-2005 22:18									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha still even if they can manufacture fighters themselves that means that the resources required have to be readily available which means mining colonies/outposts or the ship has to go on its own exploration/survey missions for hydrogen,oxygen(fuel perhaps),iron,aluminum,unobtainium,etc.

Maybe that's why they eased off on their pursuit of the Galactica.

	15-01-2005 22:19									#114
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Any news about how the successful the new BSG is? How much seasons are planned? I remember that "Space - Above and Beyond" was cancelled despite (IMO) being excellent.....

In the UK it's quite a big hit, or at least the Sky One people are very happy with it. In the US, SciFi Channel already ordered backup scripts for next season a few weeks ago (so before they even aired the first ep) and they're expected to confirm season 2 in early February, depending how the show does in the US.

I think this show is here to stay...

quote: Originally posted by GePap On Boomer, when in the movies is the switch hinted at or shown? cause I missed it entirely.

At the very end, when the Cylons pick up the guy Adama had left on the space station, Boomer is among them (or maybe even several Boomers, not sure).

	15-01-2005 22:22									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha still even if they can manufacture fighters themselves that means that the resources required have to be readily available which means mining colonies/outposts or the ship has to go on its own exploration/survey missions for hydrogen,oxygen(fuel perhaps),iron,aluminum,unobtainium,etc.

Who says the Cyclon fleet does not have resupply vessels?

All the outings we saw were rather short, and significantly shorter than the use of resources from the Glaactica flight crews.

I failt to see the resource issue noted. Heck, if the HUman fleet could do it, why not the Clyons. Who said it even was the same 2 Base Ships each time?

	15-01-2005 22:25									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus At the very end, when the Cylons pick up the guy Adama had left on the space station, Boomer is among them (or maybe even several Boomers, not sure).

Well, it must be an extra Boomer (just as they have extra blondes), cause how could that be the Boomer that ends up on the Galactica? And when do they show real boomer go after her XO?

	15-01-2005 22:28									#117
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Well, it must be an extra Boomer (just as they have extra blondes), cause how could that be the Boomer that ends up on the Galactica? And when do they show real boomer go after her XO?

Who says there IS a real Boomer? I don't think this was ever specificially confirmed or denied...

	15-01-2005 22:47									#118
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Aren't there supposed to be only 12 types of humanoid Cylons? The hot blond is reffered to a "6", then there is the "Boomer" type, the guy left at Ragnarok, and the man who was on Colonial One.

Perhaps the "original" Boomer was indeed a humanoid Cylon. Even though she seems to show up on Caprica to help her XO did we actually see her go backe for him? Where did she get the extra Raptor? Wouldn't questions have been asked if her ship was missing even though she was on board the Galactica?

Intersting that some of the humaoid Cylons seem to be defecting. Perhaps it has something to do with the device found on Galactica's Ops room being removed?

	15-01-2005 23:58									#119
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I don't remember the original too well, and I didn't read the book. So I think this series has potential, but you have to watch a few episodes.

On the other hand, Tristan, my 6 year old boy, just figured out how Anikin is Darth Vader, and now I'll have to try to explain this to him.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap Who says the Cyclon fleet does not have resupply vessels? All the outings we saw were rather short, and significantly shorter than the use of resources from the Glaactica flight crews. I failt to see the resource issue noted. Heck, if the HUman fleet could do it, why not the Clyons. Who said it even was the same 2 Base Ships each time?

the cylons are making fighters, not merely using munitions. Also the humans were running until the cylons let up, they weren't looking for resources during that period. Any supply ships would have to catch up to the fleet if that is the case that there are only a few cylon worlds, and that is what it looks like from the show.

So after all that it appears that the cylons did not rapidly expand and that they way overextended themselves, and that the systems weren't explored before hand(and that water sources weren't outposted/monitored/destroyed). that is just sloppy on the part of the kill bots.