01-02-2005 18:32									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Kobra I also think that maybe TOT would infact be the best option right now, if the armoured train technoque indeed works. Could I do all the dirty work in MGE first and then convert it over to TOT? That's the problem you see, I don't know anything about TOT, practically never played it. Played El Aurens for a turn or so, and looked around in Market Garden. But I can take a challenge Can you play Multiplayer with TOT?

What "dirty work" exactly is it you plan on doing? Unless you use the abominable built-in scenario editors (shame on you ) there is no reason whatsoever why you should not use ToT in the first place. Just ignore all the extra sections. That's easy enough, isn't it?

And yes, ToT has multiplayer. That's not so hard to find out yourself, is it?

quote: Originally posted by Kobra I looked a bit through the TOT rules file and was totally confused with everything. I found an advanced role option called "impassable terrain override". I guess that's what you spoke of, Gareth. But how do I make the terrain impassable?

I believe the @TERRAIN sections have an extra option (Yes/No) at the end which can make a terrain impassable.

Just have a look at all the comments Microprose provided. Be sure the read the comments in the rules.txt files of ALL ToT games. Some of them have more comments about certain things.

Oh, and that map looks excellent.

	01-02-2005 19:53									#62
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That's an Amazing map

Just one bit- how do people get to and from Manhattan? I would suggest that a couple of the bridges be made tiles to allow for easy land crossings.

	02-02-2005 05:37									#63
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Here's a rogues gallery of some 1920's clothing for your gangsters and molls.

http://www.anniescostumes.com/roaring.htm

Love Clyde's toy Tommy gun!

	02-02-2005 13:54									#64
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I know I've come two weeks late, but this is for those people who couldn't understand Eyn's "Mafia" scenario because of the french language:

http://spanish.apolyton.net/civ2/bestonet/scenfict.html

If you'd have downloaded it from the SCS instead of Civfanatics, you'd have seen the english translation (it may be a funny translation because I was the translator )

	04-02-2005 16:48									#65
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Some gangsta w/thompson MP ...

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	04-02-2005 17:30									#66
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quote: Originally posted by jim panse Some gangsta w/thompson MP ...

Thanks, steph!

Here's my version of it

	04-02-2005 17:53									#67
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Excellent Eivind

	04-02-2005 18:57									#68
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You don't wanna meet this bully in a dark ally, would you? He looks ready to crack as skull or two

Now, with or without beard? Grey or brown sixpense?

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	04-02-2005 19:51									#69
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Here's the gangsters I have this far, one colour for each family.

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	04-02-2005 20:57									#70
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I've been to New York City.

When I saw that map with the big, red circles, all I could think of was craters made by nuclear explosions.

	05-02-2005 21:36									#71
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I'm curious Eivind, are you in need of any police units? I'd be glad to provide you with one or two perhaps.

	06-02-2005 00:18									#72
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I havn't gotten to the police units yet, so yes, I do. I've seen those police units of yours, but aren't they a bit small in comparison to these units?

I know this isn't very good, but it's the only source pic for a 30s police man I have right now, as I havn't gotten to it yet. It's a snap shot from the Mafia game.

What I could need is a title

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	06-02-2005 02:28									#73
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That's an accurate depiction. The old police uniforms of the 30's resembled the uniforms of the Great War more often than not. Note the strap running from the belt up to the shoulder and the tie on white. Plenty of silver buttons too.

	06-02-2005 12:31									#74
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I'll tell ya what Eivind, I'll get to work on that title for the game and at the same time I'll cook up a new batch of police units to match the size of the units you've put out there already.

That single reference pic will come in handy, as since its in colour I'll now what shading to use. The fact that your using the ToT format will make it much easier to capture the blue tones.

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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock The fact that your using the ToT format will make it much easier to capture the blue tones.

If I end of using the TOT sollution...

	06-02-2005 18:31									#76
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More bullies...

@Harry Tuttle:
Was it you or Gareth that made the boxing irish in gold gulch? I'm wondering since I used the hands (tweaked them a bit) from that unit, and thus whether or not your sig should be on it

@Sarsstock:
Spare yourself the trouble of making police units. I sort of enjoy doing this and would like to do it myself, if you don't mind . If you've already started then by all means post it.

If you havn't started, could you please post the other police units you modded, so I can use it as a reference? I can't seem to find them...

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	06-02-2005 22:17									#77
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Well I'm just glad to help if possible in any way Eivind.. if a title is what you need then a title is what you shall have.

These are the three police units I put together for HT's Atomic Eagle II. However, I don't see these guys fitting into your Mafia scenario at all, state police and Mounties.

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	07-02-2005 00:10									#78
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Those are really nice, Chris! The police unit I was thinking of was of was the ones you posted over at CDG a long time ago, for a scenario you never finished. It was a fairly straightforward uniformed police unit with a stick. If you don't have it anymore, I can live perfectly without it. No sweat

	07-02-2005 00:15									#79
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I could need some tips or ideas on what units to include in this scen, exept the ones I've already posted. Just type any ideas you guys should have here. Exept for the ones posted I will obcviously also have some FBI infantries and a police infantry or two. What else could I have?

	07-02-2005 02:50									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Kobra @Harry Tuttle: Was it you or Gareth that made the boxing irish in gold gulch? I'm wondering since I used the hands (tweaked them a bit) from that unit, and thus whether or not your sig should be on it

Well, that's debatable. When I made my units for GG I sampled from Gareth's work and added to it. The general rule of thumb I follow when adding sigs is to do as the author of the sampled work did, that is include all the sigs that are under the unit.

To tell you th truth I don't really care if my sig is on there, the units were done in Failin'es fashion anyhow and the hands were probably by him originally.

	07-02-2005 03:57									#81
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I use that general rule of thumb of yours as well, only in this case I wasn't sure if you or gareth made the hands, which I used. Anyhow, your sig is on it now though Thanks!

And here's my first draft to the NYC cop Tell me what you think...

@Sarsstock:
For the title, I think I will name this scen "La Cosa Nostra".

EDIT:
Edited the cops a bit...

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	07-02-2005 17:42									#82
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Those cops are great Kobra! Albeit they look a little like armed postmen, but that's just the uniform. Nothing to do with your skill at all.

They send one of your to the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue! - The Untouchables

	07-02-2005 17:45									#83
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Oh, here are the policemen by Chris if you still need them...

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	07-02-2005 18:33									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Kobra I could need some tips or ideas on what units to include in this scen, exept the ones I've already posted. Just type any ideas you guys should have here. Exept for the ones posted I will obcviously also have some FBI infantries and a police infantry or two. What else could I have?

I'm no expert on this but I think that you could have a hierarchy of mobsters (in ascending order of abilities).

Numbers runners
Collectors
Informers (spies with limited abilities)
Enforcers
Mobsters
Hit men (assassins)
Consiglieri
Da Bosses

Mobsters' auxiliary units such as

Lawyers (diplomats who can bribe)
Rental agents (build quarters for new hideouts)
Union bosses
Ships and/or trucks (freights) carrying smuggled goods.


For the police, you could have the an equivalent structure of

Constable
Lieutenant
Captain

Police auxiliaries such as

SWAT team
Informer
Detective


This scen will certainly be populated with the nicest characters, won't it.

	07-02-2005 18:42									#85
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quote: Originally posted by AGRICOLA Police auxiliaries such as SWAT team Informer Detective

The first SWAT units were created in the 1960s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWAT

	07-02-2005 18:51									#86
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@Typhoon:
Thanks, my friend!

@AGRICOLA:
Thanks, John! This is just the kind of help I need! Keep the info coming!

What do you reckon about the top dogs on the power pyramide? What abilities or stats should the consiglieries and dons have? I mean, the higher you get the further away from the actual action you get, right? So, low attack, high def or something?

Anyway, here's some more wise guys

@All:
I'm still a little confused about where to locate the different families. How far stretched are their powers? Are there somewere a map of the different spheres' of influences of the different families?

And another thing, how big an emphasise should the jewish gangsters have on this scen? Since I can only have 7 civs, whereas 5 of them are for the families and the other two NYC and one police, can I somehow merge the jewish gangsters into one of the families' civ? Whith whom did they have relations, if any?

But most importantly, where to place the civs? Everyone couldn't be operating from the different little italy's, could they? If so, this will get crowded

Maybe I should make a bigger map...

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	07-02-2005 19:28									#87
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Perhaps instead of the SWAT units you could use a "Riot Police" unit instead, which did exist at the time of this scenario. It would be roughly the same idea as modern SWAT units, they could possibly be mounted units as well for added mobility.

	07-02-2005 23:16									#88
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Low level connected guy He can be the collector unit.

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	09-02-2005 00:03									#89
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Here you get picture of how the terrains could be used I still haev some open terrain slots. I've yet to find out what they could be...

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	09-02-2005 16:29									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Kobra Here you get picture of how the terrains could be used I still haev some open terrain slots. I've yet to find out what they could be...

Famous buildings!
Or other useful units if someone else comes up with anything better..