26-01-2005 21:00									#1
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quote: Turin Shroud Older Than Thought By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News Jan. 25, 2005 — The Shroud of Turin, the piece of linen long believed to have been wrapped around Jesus's body after the crucifixion, is much older than the date suggested by radiocarbon tests, according to new microchemical research. Published in the current issue of Thermochimica Acta, a chemistry peer- reviewed scientific journal, the study dismisses the results of the 1988 carbon-14 dating. Click here to continue reading. . .

Well, well, well. This should help silence some skeptics.

	26-01-2005 21:05									#2
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You shudda added this part:

quote: "A determination of the kinetics of vanillin loss suggests that the shroud is between 1,300 and 3,000 years old," Rogers wrote.

	26-01-2005 21:09									#3
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Ahum, that's quite a big window...

	26-01-2005 21:17									#4
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Maybe this is too obvious, but have they checked for any dry cleaner's tags?

	26-01-2005 21:28									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Tattila the Hun Ahum, that's quite a big window...

Indeed.

Of course, it is perfectly possible the cloth itself was made in ancient times. That doesn't tell us when the image that appears was put on the cloth. How hard would it have been for someone to break into an old tomb, steal a burial shroud and then put an image on it? At the time the shroud appeared in Europe, there was a "relic mania" going on where merchants were selling purported pieces of the cross, shrouds, bones, etc. At one point, according to church documents, there were at least a dozen purported shrouds making the rounds on the continent, enough pieces of the "true cross" to make a cabin and enough bones of disciples to make an army of giants.

	26-01-2005 21:43									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler You shudda added this part:

Exactly. That puts the shroud well within the time of Jesus's death.

So, the shroud could be the cloth that was wrapped around the body of Christ.

	26-01-2005 21:50									#7
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quote: So, the shroud could be the cloth that was wrapped around the body of Christ.

And Santa Clause could exist as well .

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Is there still doubt that Jesus was a historical figure? Is his existence disputed?

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People always question and doubt everything they can not touch.

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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu Is there still doubt that Jesus was a historical figure? Is his existence disputed?

There is still some dispute. It's kind of like Socrates that his existance is not very well defined. Records are spotty, at best.

	26-01-2005 22:34									#12
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And Boris, the technique needed to put such an image on the shroud was not possible until modern times.

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Do you really need a piece of cloth to affirm your faith? Shouldn't it come from something a little less... meaningless? If you believe in Jesus and God, then believe in them. If you don't then don't. Don't let these silly material things influence the supernatural. Personally, no, I don't believe in God. And this cloth has no relevance towards my belief one way or the other.

	26-01-2005 22:55									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu Is there still doubt that Jesus was a historical figure? Is his existence disputed?

To some extent, yes. Only one contemporary account mentions him, and rather briefly too.

Personally, I find it simpler to assume that the beloved cult leader did exist.

	26-01-2005 23:04									#15
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Wasn't there a lot of cloth around any given year back some thousands of years ago? You know, for people to cover themselves? Just find a piece that is 2k year old and say it's his.

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quote: Originally posted by tinyp3nis Wasn't there a lot of cloth around any given year back some thousands of years ago? You know, for people to cover themselves? Just find a piece that is 2k year old and say it's his.

Well, the markings on the shroud are consistent with the details accounted in the Bible on the death of Christ.

As a matter of fact, I don't think there is any other burial cloth that has ever been found that is anything like this one.

You must know that the exact way in which Jesus Christ was killed brought him much more suffering than the way any other person in history has died. His death was the most horrifying of all deaths.

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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy You must know that the exact way in which Jesus Christ was killed brought him much more suffering than the way any other person in history has died. His death was the most horrifying of all deaths.

That is one rediculously balls-out claim to make.

	26-01-2005 23:32									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki That is one rediculously balls-out claim to make.

If you want to know exactly what I'm talking about just watch The Passion of the Christ. That movie is closer to the realities surrounding the death of Christ than other movie made about the death of Christ that has ever been made. It WILL SHOCK you!

	26-01-2005 23:34									#19
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Steve Jobs is the anti-Christ.

	26-01-2005 23:38									#20
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Not quite. Certainly it was one of the most horrible.
But it's not about that. It's about that some people die horrible way for their -true or not- crimes. Some people die a horrible death without a reason...
But Jesus was crucificed by people for preaching love.
Not for something bad, not for something wrong, but for something obviously good.

Lorizael; this shroud is important, because it is an evidence for parts of the Bible and Christian tradition, and because it's supernatural cloth, which is a miracle for us all to see.

	26-01-2005 23:40									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Not quite. Certainly it was one of the most horrible.

Alright, then what could possibly cause more suffering?

	26-01-2005 23:42									#22
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Hm... Being slowly eaten by some insects or small animals?

	26-01-2005 23:43									#23
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and I do not mean frogs

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Herresson, have you seen The Passion of the Christ?

	26-01-2005 23:45									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Well, the markings on the shroud are consistent with the details accounted in the Bible on the death of Christ.

Oh, fine, whatever. Why does this matter?

quote: His death was the most horrifying of all deaths.

Hmm. Nah.

	26-01-2005 23:46									#26
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How about years of torture?

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I'd prefer crucifixion over say burning at the stake or drawing and quartering tbh.

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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Oh, fine, whatever. Why does this matter?

It's forensic evidence.

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Does anyone here know what means to scourge someone? Think in ancient terms now.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Steve Jobs is the anti-Christ.

He is