27-01-2005 19:38									#1
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The Swedish legislation regarding rape is seriously ****ed up, as it is up to the rape victim to prove that she didnīt get raped by her own will. Or more correctly, that she isnīt responsible for putting herself in a situation were she can get raped. Recently a 13-year old girl in a small swedish town went out to buy some pants. She met a 16-year old boy who she knew briefly. He invitited her to an apartment were there were 3 other men aged 21, 26 and 30. They encouraged here to drink vast amount of alcohol and then repeatedly raped here for several hours.

In the district court the 16-year old was convicted of rape and sentenced to 1 years incarcaration by the social services, the 30 year old was also convicted of rape and sentenced to 5 years in prison and the other two were sentenced to 4 years in prison for being accomplices. The three older men were also to be deported from Sweden after they served their time in jail.

However in the Court of Appeal the sentences was lowered substantially . The charge was changed to sexual abuse. The 16-year old only had to serve 1 month and the 21 and 26-year old were fully aquitted. The deportation was also revoked. The basis for the lowering of sentences was that the girl had got drunk of her own free will and thereby put herself in a situation were she had only herself to blame.

The family has taken the case to the supreme court, but if they lose they will have to pay substantial court costs.

I mean is this ****ed up or what? I mean a rape is rape, isnīt it? Even if the victim is drunk as a skunk, it doesnīt give anybody the right to sexually assault her? Especially a minor. Arrghh, it makes me almost long for a public beating

	27-01-2005 19:46									#2
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That is appalling. The Court of Appeal seems to be saying "it's ok to rape someone if they're drunk" What's next, legalizing "date-rape" drugs? bleah.

	27-01-2005 19:56									#3
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If the victim is 13 years old, then they should be facing charges of child molestation(except the 16 year old) and be going to jail for a long time, around the order of 15 years in prison or so.


"as it is up to the rape victim to prove that she didnīt get raped by her own will. "

Well, you know, you don't really want there to be a situation where people can go to prison for rapes when it wasn''t proven the sex wasn't consensual. Although making them responsible for putting them in a situtation where they could get raped, if that is the case, is certainly awful- just because you are drunk doesn't mean people have a right to rape you.

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	27-01-2005 19:56									#4
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This is pretty messed up. Burglary doesn't get any more legal because the victim was an idiot who left his door unlocked and his valuables visible - why should rape be different?

	27-01-2005 19:58									#5
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Great...

	27-01-2005 20:02									#6
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	27-01-2005 20:04									#7
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Is there an age at which one is legally allowed to consume alcohol in Sweden?

If there is, then surely the men knowingly served drinks to a minor, presumably with the idea of having sex with her against her will.

In any case, how does an intoxicated minor 'consent' to sex? They're hardly in possession of their full intellectual capacities, are they?


This is the kind of antiquated nonsense you used to see a lot of in courts in the U.K. in the 70s and 80s- the rape victim was hitch-hiking, or had a short skirt, or was out late at night, therefore 'contributed' to her rape.


The mind absolutely boggles.....

	27-01-2005 20:14									#8
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Let's hope the supreme court set things straight...

	27-01-2005 20:16									#9
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The problem is, there are always some paleolithic judges hanging around to make these kinds of judgements, that rape is the woman's fault.

	27-01-2005 20:18									#10
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Besides, I can't help but wonder why the hell they have to rape such young girls? Are they afraid to rape someone who may be old/strong enough to fight back, does islam demand that they only rape virgins, or are they just sadistic perverts?

	27-01-2005 20:19									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf Let's hope the supreme court set things straight...

Don't count on it

	27-01-2005 20:23									#12
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The problem is, there are always some paleolithic judges hanging around to make these kinds of judgements, that rape is the woman's fault.

That's not the real problem. The real problem is that the judge apparently was right, as far as the law is concerned.

	27-01-2005 20:31									#13
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Change the law.

quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid does islam demand

Islam? Linky linky?

	27-01-2005 20:32									#14
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Raping a 13-year old and get away with it just because she was drunk!?!

For some reason I keep thinking about the scene in Liar Liar where they're talking about a burglar who broke into a home and cut himself on a knife. The burglar sued the owner of the home and won... Cases like these are getting out of hand

quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid Besides, I can't help but wonder why the hell they have to rape such young girls? Are they afraid to rape someone who may be old/strong enough to fight back, does islam demand that they only rape virgins, or are they just sadistic perverts?

IIRC there were a case here some years ago where 4 12 year olds kids raped some 20 old because they knew they could get away with it (because of their age)

	27-01-2005 20:34									#15
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Change the law.

ASAP.

Wasn't there yet another commission investigating this recently? Did they get anywhere?

	27-01-2005 20:36									#16
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Change the law. quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid does islam demand Islam? Linky linky?

Sorry, no links. It's just that the "typical" gang rapist is an immigrant from a muslim country. Dunno if religion really is a factor here, just trying to understand what the hell is wrong with these guys

	27-01-2005 20:42									#17
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It sounds screwed up.

To dump the rape charge would mean they would have to find consent--- I'm assuming here that the Swedish "sex abuse" charge is something akin to what we would call statutory rape (but with low penalties?).

What is the stat rape age in Sweden anyway? In Canada its 14 IIRC and I think the US varies state by state from 12 to maybe 18.

The decision does sound messed up and perhaps it is but lots of times there are facts that aren't part of the sensational story. I do have a tough time imagining what those could be though--- had she expressed consent explicitly before she had her first drink? While I don't believe any 13 year old should be able to legally consent, if the stat rape age in Sweden is 13 or less, there would be no sexual crime in that instance.

It would be ironic if it would be illegal to give her booze but not to boink her if she requested both. To me, the law SHOULD be such that it would be a no-brainer that the older guys would be guilty of rape with stiff penalties regardless of her consent. The 16 year old . . it would depend on the circumstances, since stat rape often doesn't apply to people close in age.

Bottom line is that either the court messed up in their decision OR Swedish law around this type of activity is inadequate

	27-01-2005 20:45									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist ASAP. Wasn't there yet another commission investigating this recently? Did they get anywhere?

Every time there's a controversial rape case in sweden where this happens there's a lot of huffing and puffing and absolutely nothing happens. This is far from the only case - court cases with incapacitated girls or girls "not protesting enough" have happened before, and been brought up in the media before... The promised law never appears to materialise.

It's kinda like Utlänningsnämnden. When did the Riksdag vote for that one to be replaced by a proper court system again?

	27-01-2005 20:45									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio IIRC there were a case here some years ago where 4 12 year olds kids raped some 20 old because they knew they could get away with it (because of their age)

hmm in canada the Young offenders ACT meant that no one under the age of 12 )IIRC) could be charged with a criminal offense. Drug dealers used to use these children since there was nothing the authorities could do. But I think there was anamendment to lower the age since children could literally get away with murder

	27-01-2005 20:46									#20
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Sweden's age of consent is 15. But I don't believe the victim's age made a difference in this case.

	27-01-2005 20:50									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed Every time there's a controversial rape case in sweden where this happens there's a lot of huffing and puffing and absolutely nothing happens. This is far from the only case - court cases with incapacitated girls or girls "not protesting enough" have happened before, and been brought up in the media before... The promised law never appears to materialise.

I know. But one'd think that sooner or later one proposal would get thru by quantum tunneling or something.

Of course, the one to do it would be the one to label all sex involving women as "rape" unless she gave explicit verbal consent, with the burden of proof on the other party.

	27-01-2005 20:51									#22
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Apparently they were freed because she was so drunk she doesn't remember anything.

Great legal system we have, eh?

	27-01-2005 21:03									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist This is pretty messed up. Burglary doesn't get any more legal because the victim was an idiot who left his door unlocked and his valuables visible

To insurance companies it is. If you don't lock your stuff, you get nothing from them.

	27-01-2005 21:05									#24
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quote: Change the law

I don't think the law is wrong, just how the courts use it.

	27-01-2005 21:08									#25
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quote: To insurance companies it is. If you don't lock your stuff, you get nothing from them.

That is understandable, but from the law perspective a thief who just go through an open door to steal something is just as much a thief as one who breaks through the window on 2nd floor to get in

	27-01-2005 21:16									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie To insurance companies it is. If you don't lock your stuff, you get nothing from them.

What Adagio said.

I don't have problem with you getting screwed because you're an idiot. I do have a problem with criminals not getting screwed because you are an idiot.

quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie I don't think the law is wrong, just how the courts use it.

You might know the law better than me, but my understanding is that the appeals court was, from the legal POV, quite right.

	27-01-2005 21:42									#27
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quote: Sorry, no links. It's just that the "typical" gang rapist is an immigrant from a muslim country. Dunno if religion really is a factor here, just trying to understand what the hell is wrong with these guys

Muslims rape young white girls + police & judges too PC to do anything about it = neo-nazi paramilitaries enforcing street justice

	27-01-2005 22:01									#28
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It's not like white men don't walk away free from raping white girls because the later were drunk ...

	27-01-2005 22:03									#29
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90% of rapes don't get to court and of the ones that do there is a very low conviction rate.

This isn't surprising.

	27-01-2005 22:52									#30
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I think the prosecutor has not been innovative enough in finding multiple charges to push. Apart from the rape accusation, which is harder to prove, some obvious crimes have been commited:

- Alcohol peddling to minors
- Sex with minors (if she wanted it or not doesn't matter)
- The two above combined should make it easy to prove at least sexual abuse