31-01-2005 03:06									#91
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Whether you agree with it or not...uh, not agreeing with it leads to LAWS CHANGING. If enough people don't agree with it, it will be changed. Huh...I guess that backs up Asher's argument

FYI, I didn't know before today it was legal.

I simply assumed it wasn't. But then, I don't need a law to tell me not to beat kids.

Apparently, most states do. That's a shame as well.

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	31-01-2005 03:08									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski But then, I don't need a law to tell me not to beat kids. Apparently, most states do. That's a shame as well. ACK!

I don't need a law to tell me not to put tar in my lungs.

Apparently, most people do. That's a shame as well.

	31-01-2005 03:09									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident why is gay sex disgusting? It's only disgusting to people who have a secret yearning for it.

Oh let me clarify, I think men are ugly, so I don't see how a man can be attracted to a man.


Women are beautiful to me, so I can understand why women would be attracted to women.

Judgemental? Sure.

But not harmful.

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	31-01-2005 03:10									#94
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Had a teacher attempted to beat me when I was 18, I'd have decked them. What's more, seeing as it would be self-defence, they could stick their lawsuits up their arses.

	31-01-2005 03:11									#95
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Well...even in massachusetts, we could leave school grounds at the age of 18...but we couldn't come back...

Which is one of my points If you want to drop out at that age you can. Its a dumb anology i know but the point is you dont need mommy and daddys permission anymore. Sowith that being said the girl shouldnt have been paddled since she didnt give the permission.

	31-01-2005 03:12									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I don't need a law to tell me not to put tar in my lungs. Apparently, most people do. That's a shame as well.

There are no laws telling me not to smoke, not one anywhere in the US.

70% or so, don't need that law to tell them not to smoke either. Doesn't make you a genius.

Does make me stupid however.

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	31-01-2005 03:16									#97
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I woulda punched that ****er in the face if he tried to paddle me.

That is definitely assault.

	31-01-2005 03:16									#98
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California state law:

quote: Any person who, under circumstances or conditions likely to produce great bodily harm or death, willfully causes or permits any child to suffer, or inflicts thereon unjustifiable physical pain or mental suffering, or having the care or custody of any child, willfully causes or permits the person or health of that child to be injured, or willfully causes or permits that child to be placed in such a situation that its person or health is endangered, is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or in the state prison for 2, 4, or 6 years.

Notice the bold part. Laws that state anything about corporeal punishment are similar to that one, in using subjective terms such as "(un)justifiable", "(un)reasonable", etc. These are always open for interpretation by lawyers, jurors, judges, etc. So if a case is taken to court, then it may easily revolve around whether the specific corporeal punishment was "reasonable". Or here, specifically, whether punishment that caused these specific injuries that required a cast on an arm, etc., was reasonable under the circumstances.

	31-01-2005 03:19									#99
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There was one other part that might not have made it to the article i posted and that being the princples saying that at this school, uses old school discpline they wear uniforms and have to be tucked in, no kissing of any kind allowed, and boys are instructed to open doors and pull out the chairs of the female peers. what do you think of that?

	31-01-2005 03:20									#100
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I think that's pretty cool.

And they call me a lefty commie on here.

	31-01-2005 03:22									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski There was one other part that might not have made it to the article i posted and that being the princples saying that at this school, uses old school discpline they wear uniforms and have to be tucked in, no kissing of any kind allowed, and boys are instructed to open doors and pull out the chairs of the female peers. what do you think of that?

I think if they force that kind of attitude, they should be teaching the women home-ec instead of calculus, to be consistent.

	31-01-2005 03:22									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski There was one other part that might not have made it to the article i posted and that being the princples saying that at this school, uses old school discpline they wear uniforms and have to be tucked in, no kissing of any kind allowed, and boys are instructed to open doors and pull out the chairs of the female peers. what do you think of that?

all the rules make sense except for the holding doors and pulling chairs for females. That's just sexist.

	31-01-2005 03:23									#103
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And if i didnt mention it earlier this is the only school in bexar county which is all of sa to allow such punishment. and that 23 other states allow this type of punisment .

	31-01-2005 03:24									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I think if they force that kind of attitude, they should be teaching the women home-ec instead of calculus, to be consistent.

That's just sexist. But a good point.



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	31-01-2005 03:24									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski And if i didnt mention it earlier this is the only school in bexar county which is all of sa to allow such punishment. and that 23 other states allow this type of punisment .

How much do you want to bet these are red states?

	31-01-2005 03:27									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Asher How much do you want to bet these are red states?

She couldn't tell you what a red state is. Only reason I can is because of Poly.

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	31-01-2005 03:27									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident all the rules make sense except for the holding doors and pulling chairs for females. That's just sexist.

This is where i agree with you. there shouldnt be any rules to where the man ha to throw himself over a puddle of water to save the weak female. These gestures if demanded should be for all students.

	31-01-2005 03:27									#108
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Dissident


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	31-01-2005 03:34									#109
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Here is another point a law professor states that an educator can use corporal punishment w/o age rstriction to further the purpose or maintain discpline. Now thats just crap. had one of my nursing instructers slapped me for arguing with another student well lets just say we would both be in jail. What kinda law is this?

	31-01-2005 04:13									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski It would have been wrong to do it at any age. When i said thegirl was 18 i was trying to say the punishment should have been taken to her rather then her mom. And before asked bout the juvinille system here the school that these kids are sent to are basicly the same as the jails they are housed in.

Exactly. It is a sad comment on our culture that we get upset when an 18-year-old is beaten, but wouldn't care if the person was 17, or 12, or 8. Defenders of the current system claim it is for kid's best interest, and the list of laws denying them freedom and equality are for their protection.

How can anyone stand behind that farce when the law allows beatings of children, but not adults? Sending someone to the hospital is for their protection?

	31-01-2005 04:34									#111
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If somebody had tried to paddle me when I was 18 they would have been too busy looking for their teeth to follow through.

	31-01-2005 04:35									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski She couldn't tell you what a red state is. Only reason I can is because of Poly. ACK!

He right i dont know what a red state is. I have my opinions but most of you here would agree i shouldnt b**** about the laws since i dont now nor have i ever voted.

	31-01-2005 04:38									#113
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse If somebody had tried to paddle me when I was 18 they would have been too busy looking for their teeth to follow through.

This may being giving my age away not that i care i love being the old age of 35 But i remember when i was in elementary school paddleing was legal then i also remember if you got into a fight at school the harshest thing done was detention hall or suspension.

	31-01-2005 04:40									#114
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Can I get a job paddling 18 year-old girls in school uniforms please?

	31-01-2005 04:41									#115
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Can I get a job paddling 18 year-old girls in school uniforms please?

	31-01-2005 04:42									#116
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I'd hit it.

	31-01-2005 04:51									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker ::

Im sure the hugh hefner or larry flynt might have aposition open for that Dont think ur gonna find one in the schools though

	31-01-2005 04:52									#118
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I wrote a Blog entry posted about this here:

http://www.oneandfour.org/

	31-01-2005 04:53									#119
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For the lazy:

quote: One of the most grating claims of ageist individuals is that the laws that deny young people freedom, equality, and civil rights are only for their own protection. That the status quo is one of respect and dignity for youth. To challenge the system as it exists will only put young people in danger - their freedom would endanger them, it is claimed. One of the most glaring examples of their duplicitous reasoning is the support among many for corporal punishment. Often in my work, corporal punishment is very low on our list of priorities. Not because of a lack of importance, but because it seems so obviously barbaric and inhumane that I often fool myself into believing just a few fringe sections of society still practice it. Every so often I am confronted with the sad reality that it is not a fading peculiarity, but for many youth a constant, brutal reminder of the oppressive society we live in. This article prompted me to address the subject. What is striking about it is the victim of this paddling happened to be an 18-year-old student - legally an adult. After a paddling that landed the young woman in the hospital, she is suing the school. This statement by her lawyer bothers me: "This case is not about a crusade against corporal punishment," said Dan Hargove, her attorney. "It's not a crusade against charter schools. ... This case is about three adults holding down an adult female and beating her with a wooden paddle so bad that she ended up in the hospital." Why is it any less of a crime if three adults hold down an 8-year-old girl and beat her with a wooden paddle so bad she ends up in the hospital? Or a 13-year-old or 17-year-old? Forgive me if I wander, but this issue gets me so mad I can't think straight at times. Our system of preferential treatment of adults is of no protection and no worth to youth. It creates a class of voiceless victims to brutality. The law protects this young woman because she is 18. The law has no protection for her 17-year-old classmates. They have no recourse, and no newspaper prints articles involving the brutal beatings they suffer. Next time a person claims the current system of age restrictions is done out of love for children, and for their own protection, show them pictures of the brused and bloody victims of that protection. Those who suffer physical punishment of such form are not safe. Those who have no legal recourse to stop it are not safe. Those whose lives exist entirely in the hands of adult authorities who justify violence in the name of love are not safe. It is often said we in the youth rights movement pretend young people and adults are the same in every way and ignore real differences between the classes. I am not one to pretend no differences exist. Children on average are physically smaller, physically weaker, and less able to defend themselves than adults. Why then do our laws protect the bigger stronger adults from violent beatings and not those in most need of that protection?

	31-01-2005 05:04									#120
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I have stated here that i dont care how old you are the paddeling is just wrong. I in this case just as i would have been outraged if the person would have been younger, wonder why the the person inflicting the blows wasnt arrested.