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What's so bad about "adopting" a sniper?
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Wycoff
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Originally posted by Oerdin
You don't believe there's something unchristian about sponsoring violence? It makes sense that a religious school would wish to avoid the sponsoring of violence. |
Its not like they're paying for Iraqi scalps or something like that. Reuters quotes the group as saying that they're helping get snipers the equipment they need. Equipment can be body armor, camoflauge, or even food as much as it can mean bullets. Snipers are a legitimate part of our armed forces, just as much as any other type of soldier. I'm not a Bush supporter, nor am I a fan of the Iraqi war, but I think its unreasonable to prevent these students fom sending support to US Soldiers.
As for the relgious question, not all sects of Christianity are Pacifist. Mennonites are; Catholics aren't. I'm not sure which denomination Marquette belongs to.
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Max Webster
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Originally posted by Wycoff
I Reuters quotes the group as saying that they're helping get snipers the equipment they need. Equipment can be body armor, camoflauge, or even food as much as it can mean bullets. . |
Are you saying the Number One army from the Number One country in the world can't even equip its own troops?
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:25
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'What does the saying, "1 Shot, 1 Kill, No remorse, I Decide" actually mean and where did it come from?
A: In the Vietnam War, the military's emphasis on individual marksmanship skills had diminished and it was discovered that 10,000 rounds of ammunition were expended by regular troops for every enemy casualty incurred.
However, the snipers expended roughly 1.3 rounds for every enemy casualty incurred, hence the term "1 Shot, 1 Kill".
Covert surveillance and precision fire is the sniper's specialty and one could refer to the sniper as the "laser guided bomb of the infantry". Likewise, the American law enforcement sniper is expected to produce no collateral injury to innocents and therefore do not spray fire indiscriminately around American neighborhoods.
A sniper has to be in total control of his emotions as his job is one of the most stressful in the military (and police) service. He is often operating alone or with a single partner and often on the front or behind enemy lines. To be overly remorseful about his mission would compromise his safety and that of the people he is sworn to protect. Decisions based upon emotions, rather than upon rational, correct thought in these situations can cause casualties or death. Hence the term "No Remorse".
To IMMEDIATELY stop an insurgent or terrorist from shooting his fellow servicemen or to keep a maniac from drawing a knife across a child's throat, requires that the sniper destroy the terrorist / suspect's central nervous system. Destroying the central nervous system of a human being almost always results in the death of that same person. However, it also saves the life of the innocent and this is why the sniper does what he does. To save innocent lives. To do this requires a precision rifle shot under tremendous pressure and stress on the part of the sniper.
Due to the fact that the sniper must often operate alone, it is he himself who decides when, where, why and how he will fire his rifle. Normally, there is no commander telling him it is okay for him to shoot now. Time frames in combat and hostage situations are much too compressed for this type of supervisory control and the sniper is expected to make these types of decisions on his own. This is also why sniper schools in the military and law enforcement are so arduous and only the best and most mature soldiers, sailors, marines and police officers are picked for the assignment. Decision making skills are just as important as marksmanship and the sniper himself must decide if it is logical and correct to fire his rifle.
Hence the term "I Decide".
The sniper may just as well choose NOT to fire if there are friendly or civilians present and the act of firing would make a bad situation worse. Snipers in both the military and law enforcement are often mature, family men and have no interest in harming those who are not an immediate danger to themselves or others.
The title sniper is an honorary one and whether he (or she) be a military or police sniper, the title should not be granted to murderers such as Charles Whitman or the more recent John Mohammad and John Malvo. '
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:25
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Originally posted by loinburger
That's what I thought of when I saw the thread title... "Dear loinburger, today I shot some guys, thanks for sending me cookies, love, your sniper buddy." |
"My name is Sgt. Ben xxxxxx, sniper section leader with xxxxxxx, currently deployed to Iraq. I came upon your article in the Stars and Stripes and wanted to thank you for your support and dedication to helping fellow snipers. I deployed to Afghanistan with the xxxxxx as a sniper and we had great support from our chain of command as far as equipment. Upon arriving, the unit had no sniper section. So upon graduation from sniper school at Ft. Benning GA class 01-04 I started one up from scratch. We do have M-24's, and M-14's that are not in the best condition but serviceable. Most other mission essential equipment came out of our own pockets. I was wondering if you have any spotting scopes, Bow Flage, spray point, or old BDU’s you could donate to us. I have 3 teams who are all qualified but just don’t have the equipment they need. Any donations would be greatly appreciated sir.
On behalf of all the soldiers and snipers currently deployed I thank you for your support and God Bless this great Nation of ours.
One Shot, One Kill.
Sincerely, Sgt. Ben xxxxxxxx
Army"
Plenty of other letters on the website.
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Kontiki
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Canada
Aug 2001
time: 00:25
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
'Q: Why isn't the government buying these things?
A: The commitment in OEF/OIF is huge. Snipers need different and expensive gear than is required by many other troops. This can cause problems when the military tries to maintain a perfectly uniform dress code and the snipers end up doing without. The logistics of running the US military are staggering and snipers are just one small spoke in a very big wheel. We just try and relieve some of the burden from the snipers themselves and also from their families.' |
That still doesn't make any sense. If snipers are going to be part of the military, then the military should be able to provide them with their equipment, irregular or not. If the military isn't providing the right equipment or not enough of it, I'd say it's a big problem and not one that troops should have to make up for out of their own pocket.
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08-02-2005 18:50
I wonder what the response would have been if it was a group soliciting money for defense funds for Guantanamo prisoners.
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