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mart7x5 is offline mart7x5
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Hercules, it is probably possible, but loss already had place...

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Probably better confirm that though.

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FlameFlash - it is confirmed by Chaos Theory - they did discover EcolEng and not IntInt (thus opportunity is lost). Kasiopeia informed that CMNs refused replay.

Gaians can research Int Int, though I do not know if they do now in fact. Anyway they will get something for their Ecol Eng. We probably give them IntInt.

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Question If we then go on to discover Intel Integ (in 2163/4) can we pre accept to Gaians so that they can discover Cyberethics and get us all back on course.


Sorry, Mart. I should have replied with quote earlier...

We should probably confirm that preaccepting to Gaians Intel Integ will make everything fine and dandy.

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If relations between S and G dont go downhill then yes.

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  Old Post 16-02-2005 12:46
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From the Morgans.
Guys, can someone else handle the diplo for a while? I'm getting rather busy the next few weeks.

quote:

Geo

You said earlier that you were interested in a tech trade.

I notice that your turn is coming up soon.

Would you like to do a tech trade?

Please let me know what you want and what you want to offer?

Mead

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Sep 2002
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  Old Post 16-02-2005 21:24
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Ok, so I will write we can trade:

- world map
- Gaian commlink
- Optical Computers

And ask what they can offer in return

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  Old Post 16-02-2005 23:34
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The answer from Mead - Morganities:
quote:
Let me check.

I'll try real hard to get back to you before your turn is due so we can consumate the deal.

Pending approval from the rest of the Morgan team I believe we can offer the Spartan, Lal's, Zak's, and of course, Yang's commlinks. Whose commlink would you like in return for the Gaian commlink?

We also have Impac and Plasma. Which would you like in return for Optical?

We can exchange world maps.

Mead

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It looks like I will be serving as the Morgan Turnplayer for the next two turns.


PPS
I understand from Geo that there is some internal policy reason that hinders the DA's ability to enter into a Pact.

Can you let me know what that is so we can find a way to accomadate your needs? We would like to enter into a Pact so we can double the commerce income. With solar flares coming up next turn both of us could earn triple the amount normally available.

So, my proposals:
1) PK commlink (maybe they give both? but I doubt it)
2) plasma armor here - we can probe Impact units, and maybe very soon gatling ones - so plasma i value here 10 times more.
3) we agree for map exchange.

Pact for better energy rate - is it worth getting Spartans more away from us? They recently got in bigger problem with Morganities. Surely Spartans in my oppinion will complain about it when they find it.
And Gaians will too. After all we still continue "share of inteligence" talks - have to attend this one

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  Old Post 16-02-2005 23:43
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And a new message from Mead:
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Spartans Running Away With the Game

mart7x5

I can confirm that we are now in Vendetta with the Spartans.

I understand you may have lost some units to the Spartan menace.

We too have lost units, and are concerned that the Spartans may be running away with the game. It may be too late to stop them, but I propose that we work much closer together to try to reign them in.


Mead

Well, we are really neutral in this game...
what to do? I have to take a closer thought on it

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  Old Post 16-02-2005 23:58
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Don't worry about their belief that we lost units to the Spartans, I think it comes from my post in the latest Spartan news edition.

And we knew way before this message that they were in vendetta, so that's nothing new either.

I agree with your proposals towards them, but I'm not in favour of pacting anyone. Let's first see how efficient the Spartan military is vs the Morgan energy expenditure, and use their common distraction to infiltrate them.

Edit: O btw, aren't we supposed to share the information with the Gaians that we have met the Morgans? Was that part of the treaty?

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Geo, yes - I will write the official answer to Mead soon, if only one more oppinion could be posted.

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Perhaps sent an PM to Hercules, he's bound to go online in the next few hours to see the result of his Galactic Overlord game.

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Ok, I think of the following message to Morganities. Take closer look to explanation re Pact. I am not sure if I talk here too much, or make it too blurry. In general, this should suggest them that we may enter pact in the future though we CANNOT now. On the other hand - this may send to them kinda message, that we are a bit hostile to them. No perfect solution here, as in real diplomacy.

code:
Director Mead, In response to your communication we would like to trade the following items: 1) Gaian commlink for Peacekeeper Forces commlink. However if you could also provide us with Provost Zakharov's commlink we would be interested to hear your proposal. 2) We would be willing to exchange Optical computers technology for Plasma technology. 3) We agree for world map trade too, so this is confirmed. Regarding the Pact between our factions, please be informed that we presently are not in any other pact agreement on the Planet. We seriously consider your offer, though this require appropriate diplomacy also with other factions. Neglecting other factions' opinion regarding such important matter as our plans for entering pacts with other factions might worsen our relations with these factions. IT Mart

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  Old Post 17-02-2005 00:36
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It's a good message, and no hostile intent at all in it.
We wouldn't be trading with them otherwise.

I edited some spelling in it.

One thing tho. It might not be necessary to trade Uni comlink with them, for I still suspect the Spartans to be north of us and the Uni to their west (we know they're submitted to the Spartans, thus must be quite close for an early war).

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So then withdraw Univ commlink request? - what for pay for it, when we can get it later for free?

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So then withdraw Univ commlink request? - what for pay for it, when we can get it later for free?


It's not that I believe something to be there that it is there, I might be mistaken.

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What if Lal gives us commlink? He may actually like us for our democracy, right?

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  Old Post 17-02-2005 04:50
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You are doing well in treading a delicate diplomatic path.

Re if we trade the Gaian Comm link, we give Morgan the opportunity to call Planetary Council. How do they rank in the order of candidates. Would they edge out the Spartans.

I checked, atm the choice would be between Yang and Spartans. But the Morgans have indicatedan interest in Planetary Governor.

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And this is from Mead:
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Tech Trade

I have to log off soon and will not log on again for a five-six hours. If you want the trade and you need to play and post you turn before then I log on again I propose you sending us preapproved:

your world map
the Gaian commlink
Optical Computers
Let me know which one of the commlinks you want from us
Let me know which one of the techs you want from us

We will return preapproved to you:
our world map
the commlink you choose
the tech you choose


Mead

Can we trust Morganities? Spartans did not have good experiences as they say, but maybe due to their aggresive policies, like Modo Doctrine
Do we send pre-approved stuff then?

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I checked, atm the choice would be between Yang and Spartans. But the Morgans have indicatedan interest in Planetary Governor.

I am interested as well. I would consider that a great achievement in this game for Data Angels to be nominated for Planetary Governor and be elected. We might draw plans for it actually. That would be maybe something like using opportunities. Maybe being the second faction in the nomination, just by collecting votes from the weaker factions, which might prefer our Governorship to that of planetary superpower.
We may try then to increase population more when we can.

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Don't we have to have a high population to even have a chance at being elected?

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Grrr... I'm not overly fond of being the ones to send something preapproved first... especially since that means Morgan can call council before sending us anything.

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Cr.. I got away from keyboard a bit too long...
This is what I got from Mead
quote:

IT Mart

We accept the deal.

Please send us the Gaian commlink, optical computers, and Worldmap preapproved. We will send the Peacekeeper commlink, plasma and our worldmap to you preapproved.


Mead

So I did it like that.
We will see soon, what they play with us.

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I wouldn't have done that. Pré-approved I mean). It is everything we could offer for a trade...

And next time please ask an extension of the turn if such a question comes on short notice so other members can give their opinion. There was no need to rush this deal for us, we've played their game now, and I don't like that.

And please, don't let the governor option go through your head, we're currently 5th in vote levels. Hive has the highest population, followed by the Spartans and the Morgans. Lal has double votes. I don't know his pop level, but since he's about equal to us in the power graph he must have more.

Only the two with the most votes can make a bid for the governorship.

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  Old Post 17-02-2005 17:55
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Yes, it is risky play.

Would Morganities wish to cheat us? I am not sure. They actually may just have 2 colony pods ready for creation of bases giving them 6 more votes - then they have 2 more compared to Spartans. Would they do it? What for cheat us if this would come to them anyway just a turn later.

It is all we can offer - it is little though.
Optical computers - maybe boosting them to Advanced military algorithms. Why to cheat us - if they will get it anyway from us.

If they cheat us - we may break treaty - they loose commerce - several times larger than ours now!. No hope for Pact. Oppinion of running dog. and for what? that we do not have their map and no plasma armor for some time? Doing it what chance they have for Governorship? While having good relations and oppinion some faction might abstain in voting as a gesture, while having bad oppinion the faction might just vote for Yang, he has 88 votes. We do it and Yang has 116 votes. Lal would have to have like 70. Maybe he has. Even if they win, they not necessarily have to cheat us. Spartans seem to grow more in power graph recently than Morganities. Looks like Morganities have some problem keeping up the pace - maybe this is temporary, maybe not so much temporary. I think they have rather little to gain in here by cheating us.

It is anyway a test for them now

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Sent also this:
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Director Mead,

You should find in your commlink pre-accepted:

- Gaian commlink
- Optical Computers technology
- our World Map

We await in the next turn:

- Peacekeeper commlink,
- Plasma technology
- Morganic World Map

Please note, that by receiving from us our part of agreement on pre-accepted basis you received also our expression of trust towards Morgan Industries. We hope that Morgan Industries will not fail us.

IT Mart


May give them a bit to think, in case they want to play dirty

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Done is done, now we seem to have to appease Drogue...

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Given that it hasn't even been downloaded yet, I kind of think it's a non-issue...

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I take the fault on me here - if this is going to have any meaning...

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It's not that bad, Mart. It's just that most of our oldest members here have bad experiences with pré-accepting things in the diplo cache, and it seems sofar that the Morgans are a bit off the trusting line to at least the Spartans. I at least will press for a total war already with the Morgans if they cheat on this for whatever reason.

 
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