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Hercules is offline Hercules
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Sep 2002
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  Old Post 25-02-2005 06:35
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Actually it near the end save. Pact accepted and we get map

Lal is researching Doc Air and wants us to research Field Modulation

Also Hive iimpact is in fungus at 25, 53

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Hercules is offline Hercules
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see ya Monday

Good start to my turn yeah

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Sep 2002
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Ok, Hercules, good luck on your trip.
We will complete the turn

One more question - tech trade with Lal - he wanted to do it?

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Sep 2002
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Sep 2002
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Well, we get the permission to play one of our saves - I have a clean one.
I will attempt to copy all Hercules movements. Please refer to 2161-2170 thread for further info.

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Dec 2001
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weighing in late, but like Lal & Gaian pacts.

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ok

GeoModder is offline GeoModder
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Jan 2004
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  Old Post 25-02-2005 11:03
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We already have pact? Ok, too late for my vote thus...

Too bad, if we played it right, we could have had EnvEcon already for our map and then go for a pact.

Mart, you're turnplayer now? I suggest wait a bit with playing 'till I have a chance checking the diplo screen with Lal. I might find a sequence which gives us a tech after all.

Can you post a midsave somewhere?

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Sep 2002
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  Old Post 25-02-2005 21:05
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We got this message from Mead:
quote:

mart7x5

Please let me know if you would be interested in tech trades that would allow both of us to reach a level of at least choppers.


We will get missiles this turn and get DAP shortly thereafter.

If we were to cooperate in our tech trades both of us could obtain DAP this turn and choppers very quickly.

I do not know if you got missiles this turn. If you did then I propose you send it to us. We then should be able to get DAP (instead of missiles) and then give DAP back to you. Then we can figure out how to trade to speed up both of our tech levels.


Mead

It gets more and more interesting... Let me see my tech chart...
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Am I seeing what I am seeing, or this is just an illusion?...

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Sep 2002
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Got this one then
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mart7x5

Please let me know if you got SFF this turn (I'm assuming that with already having HEC and the Solar Flares that you probably got SFF this turn)?

If you can, and to do so, then send us SFF this turn and I will send DAP back to you this turn.

Mead

PS please also send us a Pact.

Looks like they need us very much as Pactmates and also they think we research SFF. I wonder, why this thought?

GeoModder is offline GeoModder
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  Old Post 25-02-2005 23:04
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Mart, keep in mind we cannot allege ourselfes just like that!

I am still not happy with a pact with the Spartans' main enemy. Especially with that fleet near our coast!

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Sep 2002
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I know, in my oppinion a Pact with Morganities now is out of question. If, yes - appropriate preparations should be done.

As for the techs - they assume too much. Better would be question - what we research and not when we get SFF

We can of course get SFF from Lal

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  Old Post 25-02-2005 23:08
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It looks too much like the same trick they pulled the turn before. Hurriedly begging us to do something not all of us agreed upon. I prefer to keep in control of the faction ourself, not to become a handy vasal for the Morgans.

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Sep 2002
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  Old Post 25-02-2005 23:12
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It was different to send them that thing pre-accepted, but entering Pact may be more serious. Or is much more serious. Diplomatic consequences would be much more severe.

I can understand though their uneasiness now - they lost their capital and haven't seen the turn yet. They might get over it first, analyse the situation having more time, etc.

I will prepare a note explaining, that we presently do not research the SFF, but we research IntInt? Should we reveal it? What if Morganities can send us IntInt? then we might get another tech here. I have to check possibilities.
I will explain, that we cannot enter Pact now yet too.
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Well, it does not look very good. We get rather weird tech choices. We still lack Doctrine: Initiative

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Edit: never mind, Synthetic Fossil Fuels of course.

Just tell them we're far off track for the SFF. I see no real reason to tell them our current research.

It might be interesting to ask why they thought we were busy with SFF.

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Sep 2002
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Do you think they might have IntInt? We could leapfrog then...

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..It might be interesting to ask why they thought we were busy with SFF.

Yes, I am curious too. For me it seems like they assume smth, and being in a sort of shock after loss of their capital they take it for granted.

They might also play stupid for us to underestimate them... hmm, not quite likely maybe

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If their goal is to gather a front against the Spartans by all means, this could be the trick.

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It sounds like we dont trust the M so are going to stay at treaty level and try to get as much tech as we can from them.

I hope so at least.

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Also if they think we are researching SFF then they may be looking at us as a military faction that could help them if attacked further.

I would reveal nothing and let them do the talking and revealing.

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Sep 2002
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A short message from Chaos Theory - Gaians
quote:
We would like to receive HEC from you in payment for Ecological Engineering.

I think, we can put High Energy Chemistry into diplobox for Gaians then. pre-accepted, since it is payment for what we already got.

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And this message I am going to forward to Morganities:
quote:

Dear Director Mead,

Thank you very much for the technology you have forwarded to us, the map and Peacekeepers commlink. We appreciate this last possibility to trade with you. We also confirm receiving from you the offer of possible research trade you indicated, which might lead to choppers. We will discuss it and respond to you within several RL days.

We presently do not posses and are not researching Synthetic Fossil Fuels (SFF).

Regarding Pact, as we stated recently, our current situation has not change significantly since we last talked about it. Entering the Pact with you will require appropriate diplomacy including other factions. We are presently discusing it within our faction. We cannot enter the Pact with you at this moment but we will keep up to date with the state of our efforts towards this goal.

IT Mart

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I wrote to Chaos Theory and BinTravkin that they are going to receive HEC their next turn.

Also I propose the following message to Spartans:
quote:

To Spartan Federation,

After the research adjustments undertaken within our faction we would like to inform you that our expected time of research breakthrough in Intellectual Integrity is expected in MY 2164. The same year this technology will be transferred to you.

IT Mart

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Ok for me on all accounts.

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I like everything except I am not to keen on telling the M that we do not have SFF.

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I already told them that.
This way we avoid misunderstandings though, as to why we "refuse" to trade this tech - simply we do not have it now.

We might get it sooner from Lal then they think...

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I thought Morganities speak about missiles in orbital spaceflight. In fact Mead meant SFF. So we should discuss this issue:
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Please let me know if you would be interested in tech trades that would allow both of us to reach a level of at least choppers.
We will get missiles this turn and get DAP shortly thereafter.

So what do you think about it?

Also there is another thing - Spartans may know we exchange techs with Morganities. I think there is a possibility, they might consider a "military raid" to give us a strong signal to stay away from aiding their enemies. I think we should get good military ASAP. I would not be surprised to have some Spartan troops near HG soon.

I think now even about 3 Command Centers making both defensive and offensive units. Let us get these hive units probed. Yang probably will attack anyway. Let us ask Lal for Synthetic fossil fuels when we can. He should aid us hopefully.

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How about continue to probe Yang's offensive military as it comes (for when war comes), and us concentrating on home-made plasma defenders? Personally I prefer to have at least plasma garrison prototyped before engaging in a war.

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We may have little time. I believe Spartans are able to launch an attack within 2-3 turns after making their decision. With what I saw from the map they may cover all world now easily. In 2162 we hurry command center in EM We have the prototype in 2163 or 2164. In 2165 We can be about ready to mass production of plasma units.

I would expect these 4-2-1 of the hive in 2163 in the forest near HG. If we probe the impact, we can attack one of them with succes, I think. We should prepare a better plan for this. But it may be "dense" soon. I would expect hive attack with these 2 4-2-1 units in 2164 if we let it happen.

Impact will/may attack in 2163 the HG base directly

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So we better try to contact Yang again in 2162 if we see the impact rover has gone in the fungus or the forest tile next the HG.

What do you suggest? That we ask him to retreat his troops and so precipitate a war (on our time then)? Might be better or else we might have a sneak attack on Heaven's Gate and lose our probe inthere with no chance of bribing the Hive rover then.

Do we still have a probe near the Hive synth trapped between the Hercules station peninsula and our mainland?

 
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