15-02-2005 23:41									#1
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Apparently he compared a pesky jewish reporter to a concentration camp guard...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/...don/4266927.stm

	15-02-2005 23:44									#2
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I hate journalists like that too.

Sad choice of words though, it will get him into trouble.

Not as bad as Lothar Matthaeus telling Dutch reporters that he hated the Dutch and that "Adolf should have gotten rid of them".

	15-02-2005 23:49									#3
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The nazi comparison is popular. Berlusconi used it in the European Parlament against some german IIRC...

But it will get Livingstone into trouble, jews never forget an insult

	15-02-2005 23:51									#4
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Did he know the guy was Jewish?

	15-02-2005 23:53									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X But it will get Livingstone into trouble, jews never forget an insult

this just keeps getting better and better, doesnt it.

	15-02-2005 23:54									#6
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I donīt know. But heīs had dealings with him before. In fact a spokesperson for the gay organisation that arranged the press conference said that they didnīt want to get involved in the vendetta between Livingstone and the reporter...

	15-02-2005 23:55									#7
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His last name is Finegold... ie, he should have known if he didn't .

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark this just keeps getting better and better, doesnt it.

See. Didnīt I say so?

	15-02-2005 23:56									#9
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quote: His last name is Finegold... ie, he should have known if he didn't .

Really? In Britain people aren't so obviously Jewish as they are in Toronto - i.e. you might know someone for months before they tell you. Here in Toronto, one's ethnicity is usually the first thing out of one's mouth.

	15-02-2005 23:58									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X See. Didnīt I say so?

If i call you on something, that indicates i will never forget it? And what makes you think Im typical of every Jew?

	15-02-2005 23:59									#11
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He is an idiot. His only saving grace is that he's our [Labour's] idiot

	16-02-2005 00:00									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Did he know the guy was Jewish?

BBC

'On tape Mr Livingstone, who once worked as a freelance restaurant critic on the paper, is heard asking reporter Oliver Finegold if he is a "German war criminal".

Mr Finegold replies: "No, I'm Jewish, I wasn't a German war criminal. I'm quite offended by that."

The mayor then says: "Ah right, well you might be, but actually you are just like a concentration camp guard, you are just doing it because you are paid to, aren't you?"'


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	16-02-2005 00:00									#13
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quote: If i call you on something, that indicates i will never forget it? And what makes you think Im typical of every Jew?

You aren't.

I'd be willing to bet that "remember you're Jewish and don't let anyone forget it" is not the first thing that most Jewish people think in the morning.

	16-02-2005 00:01									#14
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Livingston has a point. Doing your job isn't an excuse for bad behavior.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: If i call you on something, that indicates i will never forget it? And what makes you think Im typical of every Jew? You aren't. I'd be willing to bet that "remember you're Jewish and don't let anyone forget it" is not the first thing that most Jewish people think in the morning.

Thanks for the personal insults. You have no idea what the first thing i think of in the morning is. I often post on jewish things here, because i feel i can provide a unique perspective.

Thanks for again reminding me of your own personal quality.

	16-02-2005 00:03									#16
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quote: Livingston has a point. Doing your job isn't an excuse for bad behavior.

Caveat: unless you are a rapper.

	16-02-2005 00:03									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: His last name is Finegold... ie, he should have known if he didn't . Really?

The name, dingbat. Of course, Ken may not have know the reporter's name when making the comment.

	16-02-2005 00:03									#18
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lotm, maybe I shouldīve written "canīt let anything pass without screaming blue murder"?

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quote: Reporter Oliver Finegold was sent with a photographer to City Hall to cover the party in honour of former Culture Secretary Chris Smith, to mark the 20th anniversary of the MP's coming out. He was outside as the party wound down and asked for a brief comment from guests, including deputy mayor Nicky Gavron, Schools Minister Stephen Twigg, Mr Smith and his partner Dorian Jabri. Shortly before 9pm, as Ken Livingstone left City Hall, Finegold asked the Mayor about the party. The conversation was recorded on a tape recorder which Finegold held out in front of him: Mr Livingstone [talking to photographer Nigel Howard]: You've got one [picture] already. Finegold: Mr Livingstone, Evening Standard. How did tonight go? Livingstone: How awful for you. Have you thought of having treatment? Finegold: How did tonight go? Mr Livingstone: Have you thought of having treatment? Finegold: Was it a good party? What does it mean for you? Mr Livingstone: What did you do before? Were you a German war criminal? Finegold: No, I'm Jewish, I wasn't a German war criminal and I'm actually quite offended by that. So, how did tonight go? Mr Livingstone: Arr right, well you might be [Jewish], but actually you are just like a concentration camp guard, you are just doing it because you are paid to, aren't you? Finegold: Great, I have you on record for that. So, how was tonight? Mr Livingstone: It's nothing to do with you because your paper is a load of scumbags and reactionary bigots. Finegold: I'm a journalist and I'm doing my job. I'm only asking for a comment. Mr Livingstone: Well, work for a paper that doesn't have a record of supporting fascism. At this stage, Mr Livingstone refused to comment further and Mr Finegold ended the exchange as the Mayor walked off.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...ning%20Standard

	16-02-2005 00:04									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X lotm, maybe I shouldīve wrote "canīt let anything pass without screaming blue murder"?

Maybe you shouldn't have written anything at all.

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quote: Thanks for the personal insults. You have no idea what the first thing i think of in the morning is. I often post on jewish things here, because i feel i can provide a unique perspective.

Who said it was an insult? Just an observation.

	16-02-2005 00:06									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: Thanks for the personal insults. You have no idea what the first thing i think of in the morning is. I often post on jewish things here, because i feel i can provide a unique perspective. Who said it was an insult? Just an observation.

Youve observed me wake up in the morning?

	16-02-2005 00:07									#23
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Can we agree that it was a dumb thing for Ken to say, but that the journo probably deserved a punch in the face anyway for being a prat, and that this will be blown out of all proportion as various groups use it for political leverage.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Maybe you shouldn't have written anything at all.

Perhaps. It wasnīt my intention to slander jewish people. It was just an satirical observation. And donīt tell me that I canīt do that, thatīs just too PC

	16-02-2005 00:08									#25
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quote: Youve observed me wake up in the morning?

The party sees all.

And you'd better stop what you've been doing or you'll go blind!!

	16-02-2005 00:08									#26
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note, aggie is busy trolling me for being "too jewish" and is not disputing one comment by Komrat.

	16-02-2005 00:09									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: Youve observed me wake up in the morning? The party sees all.

The party is headed for the dustheap of history.

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Kamrat is right up to a point. There are plenty of people who will use this to advance their own political cause, and plenty more who just love screaming bloody murder every time someone does something daft like this.

Neither group is representative of Jews at large, just as the screaming loony feminist fringe are not representative of all women or even all feminists.

	16-02-2005 00:11									#29
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quote: note, aggie is busy trolling me for being "too jewish" and is not disputing one comment by Komrat.

I agree with him up to the point that my last post says. I think it was dumb for Ken to say, but will likely be taken way out of proportion.

	16-02-2005 00:11									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Kamrat is right up to a point. There are plenty of people who will use this to advance their own political cause, and plenty more who just love screaming bloody murder every time someone does something daft like this. Neither group is representative of Jews at large, just as the screaming loony feminist fringe are not representative of all women or even all feminists.

there are some people who when theyre spat on will pretend its raining. Sorry, I wont.