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McMeadows says:
You move to the west now, we move home when the territory is claimed
Moonbars says:
I think we are moving our warrior homewards to be a policeman actually - is that ok with you?
McMeadows says:
My first thought was to ask you to have him move backards as he came, but that will lead him through our territory soon
McMeadows says:
we're expanding as well
McMeadows says:
Moving back, without tresspassing, nor further exploration is ok
Moonbars says:
we'll move back towards our lands, and will avoid your territory as much as possible.
Moonbars says:
acceptable?
McMeadows says:

Moonbars says:
cool, and you'll move Curt away from the you-know-what
McMeadows says:
When you claim the territory, we will move right away
Moonbars says:
well good

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I hope that doesn't mean we can't keep exploring around their territory. They have no right to stop us doing that until they claim said territory

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"avoid your territory as much as possible" only means that we'll avoid entering their borders as much as possible. Or at least that's the way I interpret it ..

	15-04-2005 11:02									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Moonbars I approached Lost Boys about trading.. they ignore my mails and MSNs Does anybody else have any contact with them?

I spoke with Paddy last night - the Horde also have tried contacting Lost Boys without success.

I guess they're probably down to one or two active players since their initial team leader 1889 left, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them desert altogether.

	15-04-2005 21:07									#35
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I must apologise to Moonbars in advance for this, but I had a conversation with McMeadows of the Euphoricans tonight.

If nothing else, this explains why Moonbars was appointed Foreign Minister and not me

Moonbars.....please pick up the pieces and go and educate this numbat about the birds and the bees


Aqua says:
why would I be annoyed?

McMeadows says:
archer is back on iron

McMeadows says:
Kurt Cobain

Aqua says:
oh yeh, I know that

Aqua says:
but he'll leave - he has no right to be there and you know that

Aqua says:
you're just looking for an excuse to escalate tensions

McMeadows says:
the interpretation of our deal had gotten me quite mad

Aqua says:
sorry, I'm not as diplomatic as Moonbars - that's why he's foreign Minister!

Aqua says:
oh crap, don't give me that mate. How can you possibly believe you can tell our guy to go away when he's entirely outside your borders?

McMeadows says:
We agreed on leaving and had every intention to do

Aqua says:
meanwhile, you have another warrior next to our town Sweet Desolation

Aqua says:
but hey, you're INSIDE our borders

Aqua says:
so explain that one away!

McMeadows says:
that archer was there initially before the land was claimed

Aqua says:
what has that got to do with anything?

McMeadows says:
and off course I know you were to claim it

Aqua says:
so if we put 10 archers around your land, you can't expand? is that the rule?

Aqua says:
you guys are being petty and you know it

Aqua says:
you also know damn well we could have razed your undefended town and we chose not to

Aqua says:
so stop being arrogant and get out of our land!

McMeadows says:
brb

McMeadows says:
I'm well aware of your opportunity to raze our city

McMeadows says:
and it has been a big annoyance to have your warrior mover around our borders

McMeadows says:
that's why the agreement was to leave the iron if the warrior would move back home the way it came

McMeadows says:
Now Moon gave a certain interpretation to that, in which waay the warrior is still moving around

Aqua says:
did you read any of my posts? WE ARE OUTSIDE YOUR BORDERS!!!!

Aqua says:
You have a Warrior just outside our borders and we didn't ask him to leave

Aqua says:
so what's the big deal?

McMeadows says:
Don't want you there, mapping our surroundings, triggering barbs etc

Aqua says:
ah, well we don't want you there either!

Aqua says:
but we're smart enough to know that we have no right to tell you to go

McMeadows says:
so you move we move,.. that was agreed upon

Aqua says:
sorry mate, but Civ3 convention doesn't give you any right to tell us to "stay at least 3 tiles from our borders at all times cos we don't want you to map our territory"

Aqua says:
no, you misinterpreted Moonbars' statement

Aqua says:
ok...let me try another tack.....your Warrior is mapping our borders, correct?

McMeadows says:
Why would I make an agreement if it wouldn't yield us anything? Wasn't it obvious that we wanted something in return

Aqua says:
Sorry...you wanted something in return for moving out of our territory?

McMeadows says:
actually, that warrior is just being there to annoy you back..

Aqua says:
that's funny, cos we're not annoyed. So why should you be?

McMeadows says:
hmmm, territory wasn't yours when warrior camped out there in the first place

McMeadows says:
BTW, I'm acting speaking only for myself. There's been no time for the team to discuss this issue and I had to decide on the move to keep the game going. Most probably the team will be more mellow

Aqua says:
mate...bottom line is...we have every right to map your borders so we can see your future towns. You trying to tell us otherwise is simply an admission that you didn't have 3 Warriors in place to block us from doing it. Don't go crying over it....we've already mapped your borders now and we're heading home. So, where do you want to take this now?

McMeadows says:
rights... what rights are there?
There're only things you can agree upon and I made a deal with Moon on having you move back the way you came. In my opinion he screwed me over. That's the only reason Kurt is back on the hill

McMeadows says:
a deal = a deal
and that's sacred

Aqua says:
You're talking crap and you know it. Perhaps I'd better let the European Moonbars tallk to you, cos we Australians don't talk in riddles

McMeadows says:
The Moon riddles are probably just what got me that much irritated

Aqua says:
no riddles, you just expected something that was 80% in your favour, which was just dumb

Aqua says:
ok, so let's drop all the crap mate......respond to this, and this only:

McMeadows says:
instead you want me to take a deal -100% in my favour?

Aqua says:
Your archer is in our territory. Our Warrior is outside yours. Is it reasonable for you to order our Warrior in a certain direction under such circumstances when we've clearly stated he will not enter your territory?

McMeadows says:
our archer was sitting there allready before the iron was within your territory borders. Off course I understand you want to claim it and of course our archer was to leave.

Aqua says:
So that's irrelevant then

McMeadows says:
However, I also stated that we didn't want to have your warrior explore any further in a corner of the world where there're no new civs to meet, nor land to explore for settling for DR

McMeadows says:
And with our archer on the hill, we had mutual interests in the other one leaving

Aqua says:
lol....obviously you don't play much Civ then

McMeadows says:
enough to know what
Persia+iron yields

Aqua says:
ok, well I've said all I need to say

Aqua says:
Fact 1: You have no right to order us out of neutral territory

Aqua says:
Fact 2: Your Warrior is doing the same to us, and at no stage have you suggested you will move him

Aqua says:
Fact 3: Your Archer is INSIDE our territory

Aqua says:
the facts speak for themselves

Aqua says:
Move the Archer, or he will be removed

McMeadows says:
that territory is just as much to be ours as the iron was to be when our archer got there

McMeadows says:
If you'd asked us to move the warrior, I'd have done it...

Aqua says:
Ah, a politican. You didn't respond to the facts, but invented some of your own.

McMeadows says:
I'm a scientist, not a politician

Aqua says:
Ok, then respond to my facts instead of insisting on continuing to live in your fantasy world

McMeadows says:
Like c3c is a real world issue?

McMeadows says:
The only thing that matters to me is that when I agree to something I stick to it

Aqua says:
Ah forget it, I'm wasting my time trying to get you to see resaon. We have the moral high ground and you know it, so you won't budge

McMeadows says:
bending or breaking an agreement is not moral to me

Aqua says:
If I agree to kill myself then you will hold me to it simply because it was an agreement?

McMeadows says:
I'd like to remind you again that Euphorica hasn't yet decided on the issue, I'm speaking for myself...

McMeadows says:
You won't make such an agreement with me as I won't accept it...

Aqua says:
then go and tell your team mates your conversation with me

Aqua says:
It won't change anything.

Aqua says:
Move your Archer or you will lose him

Aqua says:
Our Warrior is outside your territory

Aqua says:
Don't presume to tell him where to go!

McMeadows says:
just as much as you think you are to tell where our archer is going

Aqua says:
no, you can send your Archer where you like, as long as it is outside our territory

Aqua says:
so, would you rather our Warrior was inside or outside your territry?

McMeadows says:
If you had moved back, I had proposed to move through our lands to move home more quickly...

Aqua says:
Again, you didn't answer my question

Aqua says:
Any lawyer worth his salt would rip you to shreds, my friend!

McMeadows says:
the whole issue is not about "having the right to be here or there" it's about an agreement that has been broken in my point of view. That is enough to make me unreasonably angry.

Aqua says:
Then be angry, for you are angry without reasonable cause

Aqua says:
Be that as it may, what do you propose to do from here?

McMeadows says:
settle my anger and oney the wishes of my team. If I was playing alone, my sole mission would have been to tear DR down to the last bit, even if it had meant to go down as well....

McMeadows says:
oney = obey

Aqua says:
I see....even though we have previously shown you mercy.

Aqua says:
Thank you. We now understand the psyche of your team

McMeadows says:
3rd time to remind you I'm speaking for myself

Aqua says:
And how many active members are in your team?

McMeadows says:
3 most active.. And as this issue for me is beyond reason, I will not discuss the issue, but only execute the wishes of the others
Rhothaerill and Snoopy
On the weekend, Andydog is to catch up and become more active as well....

Aqua says:
And Wittlich?

McMeadows says:
Platypus Rex drops in a line regularly and Wittlich occasionally. He will only speak up if somethings out of line as he sees it

Aqua says:
I see

Aqua says:
still, a good core

Aqua says:
We are a humble team in comparison

McMeadows says:
Snoopy and me take the lead... I play the turns and propose the next moves which are published to be discussed

Aqua says:
So I take it you will propose to wipe us out

McMeadows says:
Snoopy takes care of most FA (foreign affairs). To cover 24/7 we fill in for eachother

McMeadows says:
I won't propose wiping you out... I think it's better to have the others decide what's best. My opinion is blurred by my anger

Aqua says:
You're seriously angry?

Aqua says:
I'm amused

McMeadows says:
yes I am

McMeadows says:
I can separate the issue from the person however.

McMeadows says:
allthough I will remember the way Moon and you act when making deals

McMeadows says:
I'm not mad with you or Moon, that's what I mean

Aqua says:
so you're mad with.....?

McMeadows says:
with being framed

Aqua says:
lololololol

Aqua says:
you backed yourself into a corner, so what do you expect?

McMeadows says:
hmmm, see it this way.
We play a rough game of rugby and you elbowed me. I get mad, after the game we drink a beer together

Aqua says:
Ah, us Australians can relate to that

Last edited by Aqualung71 on 16-04-2005 at 10:51

	15-04-2005 21:38									#36
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He summed it up nicely right here:

quote: this issue for me is beyond reason

	15-04-2005 22:45									#37
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Please see my post at the top of this page.

Do you see where I set out what I am proposing? McMeadows reply is blank becuase he sent a smiley of a Thumbs Up.

He also says in the discussion part of the conv "My first thought was to ask you to move backwards the way you came, but"

I will contact snoopy with the transcripts..

	17-04-2005 19:56									#38
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We have finally received word from the Lost Boys. This arrived by email today:

To Desolation Row members,

We would like to exchange:
- Philosophy
for:
- Iron Working

Would this trade be acceptable for you?

Lost Boys

Moonbars....please respond to them. My vote of course is yes, go for it The message came from marcin777 at that hottest of email addresses.

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I sent the mail.. hopefully this will come through.

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[16:49] snoopy369: Hey ... just wanted to tell you guys that the archer will move this turn
[16:50] Moonbars: :-/
[16:50] snoopy369: I had wanted to move it last turn when you founded the city, but McM wanted you to fulfill your bargain first.
[16:50] Moonbars: we have furfilled our bargain
[16:50] Moonbars: Mcmeadows just can't read
[16:50] snoopy369: The warrior is heading back south?
[16:51] Moonbars: he is going home
[16:51] Moonbars: McMeadows has mis-read the agreement, and said a lot of unwise things
[16:51] Moonbars: it is however good to hear that the archer will be withdrawn
[16:52] snoopy369: Well, the agreement i read is "the warrior is moving back home"
[16:52] Moonbars: allow to to cut and paste..
[16:52] snoopy369: oh i read the MSN conversation
[16:52] Moonbars: good
[16:52] snoopy369: and those are your words

[16:52] snoopy369: I think we are moving our warrior homewards to be a policeman actually - is that ok with you?
[16:52] snoopy369: these specifically
[16:53] snoopy369: the concern McM has is that moving east is not homewards
[16:53] snoopy369: you are south of us, not east
[16:53] snoopy369: we're fairly sure about that :P
[16:53] Moonbars: neither are we west of you
[16:53] snoopy369: ah yessir
[16:53] snoopy369: but the archer starts out on the west side
[16:53] Moonbars: the most direct route home, without crossing your borders
[16:53] snoopy369: warrior*
[16:53] snoopy369: doesn't he?
[16:53] Moonbars: that's east
[16:54] Moonbars: I would have to reload the saves to be sure, but it is my memory that East was the best way home
[16:54] snoopy369: ohh now on the east
[16:54] snoopy369: because of the new settled city
[16:54] Moonbars: indeed
[16:54] snoopy369: it's still about the same distance
[16:54] Moonbars: mcMeadows offered to let us cross your territory, but I had already emailed the save by then
[16:55] snoopy369: mcm made it pretty clear that east was not acceptable at the time
[16:56] snoopy369: and at that time (2630 bc I believe?) they were the same distance, give or take 1 square
[16:56] snoopy369: Moving back, without tresspassing, nor further exploration is ok
[16:56] snoopy369: were his words
[16:56] Moonbars: but not the words of the agreement
[16:56] snoopy369: your agreement was to move home
[16:57] snoopy369: however you did not specifically disagree with his wording
[16:57] snoopy369: thus, i would consider it agreed to
[16:57] snoopy369: perhaps you were tricking him into thinking it agreed to when it was not ...
[16:57] Moonbars: I never agreed the "no further exploration" bit. It is so hypocritical, when ur team has a warrior scouting out borders and an archer, and offensive military unit, sitting on a Stat resource INSIDE our territory
[16:57] snoopy369: but that would be implite.
[16:57] snoopy369: impolite*
[16:57] snoopy369: It was not inside your territory at the time
[16:57] snoopy369: and as I said, i agree with moving it
[16:57] Moonbars: well good
[16:57] snoopy369: you should have objected to our warrior, if it bothers yo
[16:57] snoopy369: you*
[16:58] Moonbars: it doesn't
[16:58] snoopy369: we are actually trying to find another civ in that area
[16:58] snoopy369: Then please don't bring it up again.
[16:58] Moonbars: any nation has a right to move it's troops in neutral territory
[16:58] snoopy369: ahh
[16:58] snoopy369: rights ... and politics ... two different things
[16:58] Moonbars: indeed.
[16:58] snoopy369: You are correct, that we have the right to move our archer and warrior wherever, in neutral territory
[16:58] snoopy369: however
[16:58] snoopy369: if we have 10 archers sitting on your borders
[16:59] snoopy369: but neutral still
[16:59] snoopy369: you would probably object
[16:59] Moonbars: no, we'd attack them and remove the threat
[16:59] snoopy369: same thing
[16:59] snoopy369: it is simply a continuation of that idea
[16:59] Moonbars: not quite
[16:59] snoopy369: you're declaring war ... we're just asking before we declare
[16:59] snoopy369: it is not so different.
[16:59] snoopy369: (except we are more polite)
[17:00] Moonbars: if u have a scout near us, fine. if you have 2 or 3, that's OK.. if u had 10 archers that would be war.
[17:00] snoopy369: it's a number, is what i'm saying
[17:00] snoopy369: your number is 4 it seems
[17:00] snoopy369: ours, is 1.
[17:00] snoopy369: Anyway, let me put it to you this wak.
[17:00] snoopy369: way*
[17:01] snoopy369: Kurt Cobain will not move from one square outside the iron, until you have moved your warrior away from our territory, and stopped scouting it.
[17:01] snoopy369: However, if you move west and south, we will agree to move him sooner.
[17:01] snoopy369: It is up to you.
[17:01] Moonbars: well, our warrior is moving home, and will not enter your terriroty. If you wish to start a war by attacking him, this is your right and privilage.
[17:02] Moonbars: the most direct route is east and then south.
[17:02] snoopy369: What I said, is said.
[17:02] Moonbars: this is the route he will take
[17:02] snoopy369: Then Kurt will sit next to the iron, indefinitely.
[17:02] snoopy369: One square outside your territory.
[17:02] Moonbars: that is also your right and privilage.
[17:03] snoopy369: So long as this is our understanding.
[17:03] Moonbars: and we would not seek to take it from you
[17:03] snoopy369: Have a good day, then
[17:03] Moonbars:
[17:03] Moonbars: and you.

	17-04-2005 22:23									#41
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They're being obtuse

Meanwhile, Krill (Ankh-Morpork) just sent me this PM:

C3CDG, Maths
Hi Aqua,

Just wondering, but what do you want for maths? We are willing to trade you some gold for it, but we aren't suree what you want. Please contact me soon, and we might get this trade done today

Krill


I wouldn't really want to trade Maths for gold, unless it's a lot of gold....say 80g or maybe more. If they had a tech to offer that would be a different story.

	17-04-2005 22:39									#42
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see if Krill will disclose what they are researching, and offer him maths for that tech (or that tech Plus gold, whatever is fair)

EDIT:

I send Krill the following:

quote: Do you have a tech for trade? if so let us know what it is If not, then what are u researching? we could trade maths to you in return for that tech. Perhaps we could send over maths early if u have pressing need of it.

	17-04-2005 23:34									#43
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quote: [17:02] snoopy369: Then Kurt will sit next to the iron, indefinitely. [17:02] snoopy369: One square outside your territory.

HTF do they expect to pull that off?

	18-04-2005 01:14									#44
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Snoopy has offered us Phil for Maths.. Hopefully we can trade for that with the southerners, but if not - this might be something to consider.

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I'd prefer to do the Philosophy for IW trade with the Lost Boys. Why trade Maths to Euphorica when in all likelihood they will be our first target?

But agreed - if for some reason the LB trade doesn't happen, we should do the Euphorica trade just to keep up with things.

	20-04-2005 18:31									#46
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Trade offer from Babylon via email:

Greetings Aqua. Team Babylon will be completing Polytheism in 3 turns, and we would like to discuss possible trades. Tech and gold (including gpt) combinations work for us. Please let Kloreep and me know (I am away for a few days). Many thanks, and regards from Babylon to Desolation Row.

Beta.


Ideas?

	21-04-2005 07:26									#47
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I just talked to Paddy. They attacked the Morporkians and razed a city, killing a spear and capturing 2 workers.

I will also respond to Beta agreeing to the Polytheism deal.

	25-04-2005 20:29									#48
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Email exchange with Beta of Babylon:

"Bruce Hynes (Beta)" wrote:
Aqua - we are still keen on the Poly deal, but we have secured a deal for HBR already. Would you have math available for trading. We could agree to a deal along with 2 gpt to cover the tech diffrence. Does this work for you? ...Beta.

My response:

Culture-King Beta

We have offered you Philosophy and HBR in return for your Polytheism. These are worth slightly less, but as you know we had already researched Polytheism some way before you offered it in future trade, and in good faith we discarded our hard work and began researching something else.

We hope you can see your way clear to agree to this trade

Aqualung of the DR.



I've tried it, even though he said they've already done a deal for HBR. I didn't want to trade Mathematics, since we are the only team who have researched it so far.

	26-04-2005 06:21									#49
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Oops....they've already stitched up deals for HBR and Philosophy

"Bruce Hynes (Beta)" wrote:
Aqua - that puts us in a bind. We have a deal with Lost Boys for Philo, and with Euphorica - or Ankh-Morpork (I can't recall off hand) for HBR. That is why I mentioned math - I was hoping you would have it. Is there something we can do here. If the gold per turn is an issue - we can probably see through to doing a deal with consideration for future tech credit and no gold changing hands. ...Btea.

My response:

Beta the Culture-King,

That's rather annoying frankly. Perhaps you should have mentioned at the time of proposing the deal that you had already stitched up a future contract for HBR and Philosophy (I didn't realise derivatives trading had been invented yet!). As you will understand, we felt reasonably confident when switching from Polytheism on the strength of your proposal, since we had 2 techs you didn't! To be told later that you don't want them because you've forward sold Polytheism (which you don't even have yet!) is frustrating, particularly when we have wasted valuable beakers on the path to Polytheism ourselves!

I guess the only way forward then is to accept Polytheism from you on the basis of a future tech from us, which we are confident we will be able to deliver at some point in the Ancient Age.

Aqualung the Desolator

	29-04-2005 11:09									#50
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PM from ormuzd of AM:

Greetings from Ankh-Morpork
Hello dear friendsfrom Desolation Row!
As you know we are currently involved in a war with the bloodthirsty barbarians led by their Khan Paddy. Our people are feeling insecure and this is the reason we would like to see as few foreign militry units as possible. Could you move your scouting warrior away from our border please. We could discuss and make a possible route for his future explorations.

Regards,
the Patriarch of Ankh-Morpork

My response:

Patriarch ormuzd of the Morporkers

Thank you for your communication of friendship. These are indeed dark times for your civilisation, and we will do our part to allay your fears by giving you our word that our Warrior shall continue on his explorations without crossing your borders.

Aqualung the Desolator

	29-04-2005 11:21									#51
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Latest response from Beta of Babylon

At the time of proposing the deal we had not. We have now.

So I guess this means you do not have mathematics to trade??? We do not want to see you lose the beakers, so we are working hard to structure a dealks for both civs.

Btw, forward trading of a tech is standard practice

My response:

We appreciate your efforts to structure a deal. We have therefore accepted your offer of Polytheism, and will trade you Currency once we have completed it. Does this meet with your approval?



You will note I remained silent on the issue of Mathematics.

Errr....any comments or suggestions would be appreciated

	01-05-2005 16:51									#52
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WARNING: CRISIS!!!!

Euphorica has moved 3 Archers and a Spearman adjacent to our Iron town. This can only signal an intended attack. Luckily we have sufficient military to give them a run for their money, however, I have held the turn pending a diplomatic response from them.

This is what I sent to Snoopy and McMeadows via email:

Team Euphorica

The sudden appearance of 3 Archers and a Spearman next to our territory is tantamount to a declaration of war, since there can be no other purpose for such a concentrated military presence.

Frankly, this disturbs and disappoints us greatly given our leniency towards your undefended town some years ago.

Please explain yourselves!

Aqualung the Desolator


Some input would be welcome. I suggest all of you open the turn and provide comments.

Thanks

	03-05-2005 05:57									#53
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After a less than overwhelming respons to this crisis (thanks Masuro, the only one who has responded so far), I have since had an MSN conversation with McMeadows.

McMeadows was understandably confident and non-committal, thinking they have got us all in a tither. His standard line was "we were led to believe recently that it is perfectly fine for units to occupy any neutral territory of their choosing". My response that an exploring Warrior was rather different to 4 Archers and a Spear camped next door to our territory, met with an annoyingly smug response, so I ended the conversation by warning him that if the units entered our territory they will be destroyed without a second thought.

Unfortunately to ensure our ability to do this, I have switched a Settler build to a Horseman. We also have another Settler that was intended for a new town southwest or northwest, but I have had to move him eastwards due to the Euphorican presence.

Our Army is currently weak compared to theirs, which if nothing else means that by having 6 units near our territory means they have few if any MP for happiness purposes. I don't expect we will remain weak compared to them for much longer. In any case, we have Horsemen compared to their Archers, which are calculated by the game engine as having equal strength, when Horsemen are clearly far superior.

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I need the save posted to access it at present

I suggest we consider destroying that force if it enters our territory or not.

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hiya guys
a little real-life correspondence for once.

i did a spontaneous trip to london and here i met andydog with whom i have quite successfully contained jshelr's overwhelming force.

anyhow, he was pretty wasted and i managed to get him to say that we are pretty fcuked as his team (euphorica... with the archers) have also allied with our southern neighbors against us.

he also said that we should have taken the chance to take out their empty city right in the beginning and they were laughing their heads off that we did not (i hate to say "i told you so" ...)

so to summarise: we should expect some pretty nasty stuff coming along and maybe it would be good to get THEIR neighbors to help us fight them or at least warn them not to attack.

that's just an update for now. i'm off to westminster now

	07-05-2005 17:01									#56
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Yikes.
I hope we can find some allies.

	08-05-2005 05:03									#57
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My diplomatic dispatch to 1889 of the Loset Boys:

C3CDG - diplomatic relations
Oh great and honourable 1889 of the Carthaginian Lost Boys

We, the Desolation Row, wish to discuss the possibility of a friendly alliance of sorts with you. We have a troublesome civ to our North, being the arrogant and aggressive Euphoricans, who do not appreciate the leniency we have shown them to date.

We would like to co-operate with you in moving our civs forward in technology, and merely ask that you consider us your friend. In return, we would be happy to discuss the possibility of protection against some of the more evil civs in this world of ours

Aqualung the Desolator

	08-05-2005 05:04									#58
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And his reponse:

There is nothing so valuable as a friend in this miserable world. I fully appreciate the troblesome nature of arrogant and aggressive neighbors. If you would be willing to assist us hunt down and eradicate the numerous barbarian tribes that beset us on all sides, then you need fear no attack from us. Any information on the locations of the camps that spawn these vile creatures will be put to immediate use.

	08-05-2005 10:58									#59
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They haven't actually said they will help us against the Euphoricans. They have basically just asked for help against the barbarians.

	08-05-2005 13:01									#60
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I didn't really ask them to get involved. All we want is for them to not attack us from the south. If they commit to that, we can concentrate all our forces in the north and I believe we will then have a fighting chance. I don't expect any other civ will get involved due to the distance.