19-03-2005 18:26									#181
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Ok, I will take the Gaian Pact to Infotrader thread. Good suggestions re no. 2. I haven't received any reply from them yet, and Eventis looks like down again for me. I have to check again. My link is dead anyway, but I could be wrong about the site availability.

Also below is the plan for the probe action. We use
1 point to enter river - hopefully empty
1/3 along the river - hopefully empty
2/3 for action - hopefully we will not put into action the following plan...

if we are screwed up:
1/3 along the river back (green line)
1/3 trying to reenter starting tile. Low chance of success, but who knows, it's commando probe.
If this last attampt fails, the probe team will remain in the base radius.

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	19-03-2005 20:23									#182
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In case of a redrawal, it is certain that the probe can enter the river fungus tile. There's of course a chance that native life is present but that's a risk for sure since we're so close to a fungal tower there.

	19-03-2005 20:46									#183
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And if there is no mindworm, the probe would be outside the base too.
Let us hope though, it will not be necessary.

	20-03-2005 01:45									#184
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An extra benefit of moving the probe towards the fungal river tile (in case of redrawal) is that the transport foil can already go south as well. IIRC there were plans to infiltrate the PK's as well so...

	20-03-2005 02:06									#185
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Ok OK I understand,

But here's another option. If Mendelev College has a probe defender, or even if it does not, can I skip probing Mendelev and move forward towards the Spartan base.

	20-03-2005 02:14									#186
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The rationale for this is that the Uni are fully controlled by the Spartans, hence no real tech steal advantage beyond what we have.

I don't think the Spartans know we are in the neighbourhood of one of their outlying bases and so will be less probe security conscious. Unless they see us within an Uni base radius.

	20-03-2005 05:35									#187
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That is quite possible, as there is no chance of moving along the river near Mendelev college and omit the base radius with 2 move points. Also, since Tegea Harbour is a coast base it may have a probe team. Fort Liberty might be maybe more appropriate.
Probing Spartans is very tempting. I only wonder what are our chances.

	20-03-2005 07:04									#188
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One thing at the time please. Besides, the more agressive the Spartans become towards the Morgans, the more chance we have to slip in a fresh conquest.

	21-03-2005 23:27									#189
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Alright I have the turn but I have to go out now for about 2 hours. So will play on my return.

	22-03-2005 01:40									#190
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I've opened the turn.

We have a mindworm next to RPS, I had a fungal bloom next to Kodycryptor, we can choose EnvEcon if we wish to as next research. And we'll meet Zakharov of course. He's a bit belligerent, aks for IntelInteg but does not wish to trade or pay for it. The game offered Secrets of the Human Brain as return tech. He does propose a Peace Treaty, but also aks for common war against the Morgans. He won't stop this war.
O yes, probe foil spotted at UN High Commission, I suppose it will be Morganic.

Since this move had to happen, I already approached the Uni base. It's guarded by a Spartan foot probe.
Therefore I do recommend placing the probe back in the river fungus when he returns from his contact mission.

	22-03-2005 02:02									#191
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We can lower our psych allocation to 30% if we upgrade 2 scouts to police scouts (Kodycryptor and Verres' Loft).

It quickens our research with 5 turns as well if we do so.

More infiltrator reports: all Morgan bases still exist, only one base (WhoHabitat) is under offshore artillery fire.

We have still not received SFF through our infiltration.

	22-03-2005 03:08									#192
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Ok I am back.

So what's happening.

Am I the turnplayer or not.

I too have a fungal bloom but not quite near KC.

I have the turn open at the point of choosing our next tech.

What is our next tech choice.

Here is the choice I have offered to me:

Doc: Ini, SFF, Poly Software, Cyberethics, Plan Economics and Non Linear Maths.

I presume it is not Non Linear or SFF for a start, but do we want Cyberethics (Plan Data) and en route to Pre sentient Algorithms, Plan Econ ( Ascetic Values) or Doc: Ini or Poly soft.

	22-03-2005 03:09									#193
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder ... It's guarded by a Spartan foot probe. Therefore I do recommend placing the probe back in the river fungus when he returns from his contact mission.

I agree on that. I wouldn't be surprised if all Uni bases and Spartan are by now guarded by foot probes. They have EcolEng for longer than us. Making those 2 row probes would be very easy for them. We should hide and attempt other place. I agree on retreat to fungus.

	22-03-2005 03:19									#194
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Cyberethics is also a pre req for Superstring

	22-03-2005 03:40									#195
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I am inclined towards Cyberethics because it was a tech we discussed as next during the Spartan Gaian DA tech leapfrog. Also it gives us another SE setting if necesary. And Knowledge is quite good for us DA's isn't it?

	22-03-2005 03:40									#196
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Hercules, I am here too. And should be for some time. Let us play the turn. Geo made some moves with the probe near Mendelev, so I guess we need to repeat it. Yes, Cyberethics is fine. Spartans probably do it now.

	22-03-2005 03:52									#197
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Ok I chose Cyberethics (we already have Env Econ so Geo must have meant Plan Econ).

I can see that foil probe near UnCommission. hmm

I am now talking to ZaK. He wants Intel Integ. Yes we can ask will he reciprocate for SotHB. I must admit we would find SotHB useful and with Spartans getting Intel Integ anyway, we lose nothing but mightgain some ZaK goodwill.
Though doubtful, but he is weak otoh.

	22-03-2005 03:56									#198
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On the other hand by trading Intel Integ, we might be seen to be breaching our agreement with Spartans and also Spartans will know we have met and traded with Zak, so therefore I think I 'd better decline.

	22-03-2005 03:57									#199
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I would not give IntInt to Zak, just for security of the deal with Spartans. Only Spartans should get it this turn, in my oppinion

	22-03-2005 03:59									#200
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Spartans will know we met Zak, by simply being unable to give us his commlink
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I do not envy you, the retreat to fungus, if you gonna do it, Hercules. An mw there and our probe is toast...

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	22-03-2005 04:13									#201
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Zak says have we any further business?

I am going to propose Pact.

	22-03-2005 04:13									#202
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Pact with Zakh.. GReat Yea

If we need it, let put some techs for it - it is worth it, apart from Int Int

	22-03-2005 04:18									#203
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The other choices such as:
Offer a small token of our goodwill
desire access to your research data
Need energy credits
Joint attack
you must cede base,

don't seem immediately promising but we may be able to come back.

	22-03-2005 04:19									#204
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Zakharov refused Pact?

Hercules - this sometimes work. Close the commlink and just later in the same turn open it. Zakharov may then take Pact

If Zakharov takes Pact, imagine we put our probe team in Mendelev base. I wonder if Spartans would notice it???

	22-03-2005 04:24									#205
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Ok it was worth the try but it didn't work.

Now advancing towards Mendelev.

But note there is an Uni Impact infantry (with plasma shielding) and a Plasma sentinel at 9,27 which has a monolith. Both units are disciplined.

	22-03-2005 04:43									#206
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Pact wouldn't have worked anyway due to our Wealth setting.

Just retreat the probe to that river fungus tile. In case he get's repatriated we got another probe back home and our newest probe foil can go to Lal from next turn on. The transport could pop a nearby pod then.

About my probe team movements. They were already agreed upon, thus shouldn't have been a problem?

	22-03-2005 04:46									#207
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Yes, I think the turn is now played as we talked before. However, should the probe team go in Spartans directions or retreated, I do not know now. Getting Spartan infiltration is very important. The probe might lurk around there. It though very risky.

	22-03-2005 04:48									#208
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Well, we still have 36+ hours to decide on where the transport goes...

Looking at it's present positition, there's no chance to bring the probe over land to any other base. The FT is in the way, and passing along the river keeps it visible to the Spartans.

	22-03-2005 04:50									#209
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I have not opened the turn yet. I thought I might see the end turn. So I do not know the FT location...

	22-03-2005 04:50									#210
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Any update on next productions and former orders? A lot of them seem finished with their job this turn.

Believe me, it can't pass it, too much chance encountering a MW and progress would be too slow I think.