20-09-2005 13:37									#211
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Greetings Great Lord of the AM

Our Nation is happy for your to settle in the Incence fields.

We ask that you not settle at UE 6 6, but at UE 6 6 3.

I will be online for further discussions if you require.

Paddy

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	20-09-2005 22:57									#212
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Paddy says:
ok, to EoD again
Paddy says:
UE 6 6 3 ?
Krill says:
Hmm
Krill says:
should be fine
Paddy says:
thank you
Krill says:
just means a delay in getting Incense
Paddy says:
I understand
Paddy says:
my concern is loosing The Furnace to your massive culture
Paddy says:
that would have been way to funny and sad at the same time
Krill says:
yeah
Krill says:
there is a good chance that you wold lose it to a culture flip
Krill says:
a lot bigger than I thought
Paddy says:
yes you have it closed in at UE 66


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well done Omni for spotting this.

	20-09-2005 23:17									#213
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There is a big chance to lose it even now. We should demand they sell their temple in that border city of theirs.

	21-09-2005 02:13									#214
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We should build our own temple. I always said that.

	21-09-2005 03:09									#215
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Krill has flipped tonight in the battle reports thread, maybe AM are not as cultured after all


Yes build a temple of our own at the Furnace, best way to put a stop to culture flip issues in that region.

	21-09-2005 04:14									#216
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube There is a big chance to lose it even now. We should demand they sell their temple in that border city of theirs.

Ljube can you provide evidence of this?

	21-09-2005 06:00									#217
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I am genuinely worried about the potential flipping of our Furnace. I suggest we engage in a cultural war with AM. I suggest we build Library in Furnace instead of temple. It's the only build that will ensure that Furnace will not flip.


Regarding Paddy's question, yes Paddy. AM are culturally more advanced than the Horde, their capital is closer to Furnace than ours and one of their cities overlaps the Furnace city radius. These are the conditions for a culture flip.

I say let's build library ASAP!

	21-09-2005 06:04									#218
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I say stick to temple, which is cheaper and provides happiness. Temple does the same job.

	21-09-2005 06:18									#219
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Library gives one culture more. Temple would not ensure that Furnace will not flip.


With library, in time, that game tile will eventually become ours thus eliminating the chance of flipping.

	21-09-2005 06:28									#220
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube Library gives one culture more. Temple would not ensure that Furnace will not flip. With library, in time, that game tile will eventually become ours thus eliminating the chance of flipping.

library

	21-09-2005 11:57									#221
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Ljube you are correct in that library gives more culture it also gives the science boost, so I would support your point.

However we must also at this time consider cost and speed, i would say build the temple first, its cheaper its faster and we can begin to crank out culture whilst we then build the library straight after.

Lets build both ! Temple first asap pop rushed or whatever it takes, then proceed to build the library also.

Temple and library will definitely halt AM's culture.

We must also prepare to recapture any city if a flip does occur and keep a close eye to how big a garrison we maintain at Furnace. It would be a real bastard to lose a large contingent of our army healing there when a flip occured, so the region is going to need a strong force to recapture and then raze offending cultural obeseities close at hand.

I will say this now, we really should have spent some time considering this problem a ways back, i believe i warned of such things many many turns ago and was asked Ljube by you to Justify my claim that temples are necessary.

funny thing is a thread I started in August to cause debate about this is now on page three of our forum.

Many times over the run of the summer ive stated we should consider cultural builds especially at frontier outposts.

All that aside its good to see a galvanisising of opinion regarding the Furnace.

Temple first lads its the quickest fastest way to begin the redress of the balance of culture, then we must pull out all the stops to rush a library also as soon as we can.

But temple asap! ASAP!!

We will need to contend with AM cathedral builds in the future as well as what we already face, Krill knows his culture is a good weapon to use over the Horde and he will continue to press with his builds.

A protracted AM / Babylon war could be our best salvation !!

	21-09-2005 11:59									#222
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OH and yes i want to Add well done Omni for pointing the danger of the city locations

	21-09-2005 23:51									#223
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There is one problem with temple first and library next. It will require investment of 2-3 workers and will cause 100 turns of unhappiness due to 5 pop-rushes.

If we build library first we will be generating 3 culture per turn compared to 2 culture per turn generated by AM and eventually overtake their city in culture and secure our city from an eventual culture flip.


Remember, temple will not decrease the chances of a cultural hostile takeover.