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Paddy the Scot
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Mar 2001
time: 14:22
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Thought it was time to provide Ormuzd with intel on what Babs were wanting from us etc 
Paddy says:
hello mate
Paddy says:
and good morning
Ormuzd says:
good day
Paddy says:
hope all is well with you
Ormuzd says:
yes
Ormuzd says:
I'm idling more than usual
Paddy says:
hehehe
Paddy says:
9am yet?
Ormuzd says:
yep, 9:23
Ormuzd says:
last I have slept a lot
Paddy says:
ahhh so you in the office ready willing and able then
Paddy says:
excellent
Ormuzd says:
no, I'm at home
Ormuzd says:
my holidays will end on 7th os September
Paddy says:
oh indeed
Paddy says:
are you up for a chat on Babylon
Paddy says:
we just played our turn, and they have the save, so they may play in coming hours - hahaha
Ormuzd says:
yes
Ormuzd says:
what did you decide?
Paddy says:
we have them sniffing around for peace at the moment
Paddy says:
decide?
Ormuzd says:
last we talked about them we asked you do you agree with the treaty we have sent to them
Paddy says:
yes and yes we like the idea
Ormuzd says:
you said your team mates wanted babylon dead and you would discuss this matter
Ormuzd says:
ah, ok
Paddy says:
but we have new info
Ormuzd says:
then I'll start bugging them
Paddy says:
they want peace with us... if....
Ormuzd says:
what is it?
Paddy says:
if we will help them attack you
Ormuzd says:
if you stab us
Paddy says:
they will be ready in coming 5 turns
Paddy says:
they think you and I are ready for a big war or something
Ormuzd says:
and if you don't attack us, they do not want peace with you?
Paddy says:
keeping alliance secret seems to be working
Paddy says:
yes
Ormuzd says:
haha
Ormuzd says:
laughable
Paddy says:
they want a coordinated attack
Ormuzd says:
ah, it seems we will need to take everything by force
Paddy says:
they feel you are very stretched
Paddy says:
and that you will allow them time to group
Ormuzd says:
don't they feel we are first in every category on the F11 screen?
Paddy says:
they demanded that we get you to give them one of the towns you took
Paddy says:
hahahha.
Ormuzd says:
don't they feel we have all techs and we are producing military units like crazy?
Paddy says:
I have no idea mate
Paddy says:
they are arrogant
Ormuzd says:
additionally we are industrious and our slaves are working almost with the same pace as their workers
Paddy says:
hehehe
Ormuzd says:
we willconnect our new aquired towns very soon
Paddy says:
they boasted of your not attacking last turn as a sign of some sort
Ormuzd says:
ah, they are really arrogant
Paddy says:
yes mate
Ormuzd says:
having no troops and demanding conditions
Paddy says:
and they have no idea that their poison has no effect on us
Paddy says:
they claim to have a sizeable force that is scattered
Ormuzd says:
I did not attack them because the troops were unjured and all of them were injured
Paddy says:
hehehe
Ormuzd says:
probably they have
Paddy says:
well that is the bulk of it, and that took some time
Ormuzd says:
but why is it still scattered? We have attacked them 5 turns ago
Paddy says:
DR told us they just accepted a peace with Babylon for 75 gold as well
Ormuzd says:
so, it seems they do not agree with our conditions
Paddy says:
why still scattered, that I do not know
Paddy says:
have they talked to you lately
Ormuzd says:
I'll help them collect their armies in one place
Ormuzd says:
no, they didn't
Ormuzd says:
they wanted cease fire for 1-2 turns
Ormuzd says:
something that was planned anyway
Ormuzd says:
I have already 2 pikes to support the mobile units
Ormuzd says:
and more are coming
Paddy says:
gfood
Paddy says:
5 more turns, they are monarchy, and could rush a few more units etc
Ormuzd says:
until they are not in GA we can outproduce them very easily
Ormuzd says:
yes, it is true
Paddy says:
and even if they did not attack you on that turn, then we attacked you, you could be forced to rush north etc
thus they probably feel they could attack you after that
Ormuzd says:
that's why I'm thinking of starting medieval infantries
Paddy says:
med inf indeed
Ormuzd says:
they plan a counter-attack in 5 turns?
Paddy says:
well they were talking of us attacking you in 5 turns
Paddy says:
I hope this info helps
Ormuzd says:
thank you very much for the information
Paddy says:
I have them on a diplomatic circle at the moment
They are no longer talking to me, but have been moved on to Plato - our Cheif Ambassador
soon they will be moved onto Ruby, who is the Brigadier General in that region
Ormuzd says:
Paddy says:
I honestly believe they are trying very very hard to use us against each other
Paddy says:
I also gave them some details of the units at Ruby's command
Ormuzd says:
while they want an alliance against you they seek your help
Paddy says:
yes
Paddy says:
funny fellas
Paddy says:
and they think no one else is talking
Paddy says:
they must think we really have issues - possibly from some of the posts in public threads
Ormuzd says:
yeah, noone of you is flaming on us, but we are still quarrelsome each time we have the opportunity
Paddy says:
hehehe
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Paddy the Scot
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Hordeland
Mar 2001
time: 14:22
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Chat with Ormuzd, and their babylon treaty
Paddy says:
hello again
ormuzd says:
hello
Paddy says:
are you here for a while
ormuzd says:
yes, I'm back home
Paddy says:
cool
Paddy says:
do you have the save
ormuzd says:
yes
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
we have had a strange chat with babylon - Skrobism
ormuzd says:
but I'm waiting for Skro to discuss a little bot
Paddy says:
ok
ormuzd says:
and for krill if he is already back
ormuzd says:
I guess I'll play the turn tomorrow in the morning
Paddy says:
ok
ormuzd says:
do you know skro MSN email?
Paddy says:
yes
Paddy says:
hang 5
Paddy says:
skrobism@hotmail.com
Paddy says:
care to chat
Paddy says:
Article V - Mutual Protection and Military Alliance
1. It is agreed that the Blood Oath Horde is THE major threat to the nations involved in this treaty, and arguably the world. Ankh Morpork and Babylon shall prepare for this war with all available funds and energy. Ankh Morpork shall decide when and where this war will begin. Babylon will allow its troops to be guided by Ankh Morpork.
Paddy says:
we have a full treaty sent to us with corresponding chat
ormuzd says:
let me check our treaty proposal
Paddy says:
ok
ormuzd says:
is skro online in the moment?
Paddy says:
no
Paddy says:
nor am I his contact
Paddy says:
he talks with Ruby Chaser and Plato
ormuzd says:
hm, ok
Paddy says:
ok?
ormuzd says:
Article V - Mutual Protection and Military Alliance
1. If any nation should declare war upon either partner, the other partner is obligated to declare war upon the declaring power and come to the defense of its partner.
2. The timing of such a declaration and of the arrival of military aid as in Clause 1 shall be discussed between the partners and ultimately decided by the nation of Ankh Morpork.
3. If the nation of Ankh Morpork decides
ormuzd says:
to declare war upon a foreign power, the nation of Babylon shall do so as well if this is requested by the nation of Ankh Morpork.
4. If the partners jointly agree, the nation of Babylon may unilaterally declare war upon a foreign power that has not invaded its territory.
5. The partners shall cooperate in all military matters during any war by sharing information about troop positions, intelligence about the enemy, and plans.
6. For any
ormuzd says:
territory conquered from a foreign power in war, the nation of Ankh Morpork shall decide to which partner the territory shall eventually be awarded and when it shall.
ormuzd says:
this is Article V and I don;t know about anything else we have changed so far
Paddy says:
I will email it to you ?
Paddy says:
emailed
ormuzd says:
you want me to email our proposal to you?
Paddy says:
that would be nioce
ormuzd says:
honestly, I'm asking myself if I should
Paddy says:
oh
Paddy says:
why?
ormuzd says:
you didn't inform us of many of your deeds and treaties so far
Paddy says:
I thought we were allies and friends
Paddy says:
oh
ormuzd says:
I have to confess there was nothing to mek me suspicious, of course
Paddy says:
have any of ours come to you and said:
Paddy says:
Article V - Mutual Protection and Military Alliance
1. It is agreed that the Blood Oath Horde is THE major threat to the nations involved in this treaty, and arguably the world. Ankh Morpork and Babylon shall prepare for this war with all available funds and energy. Ankh Morpork shall decide when and where this war will begin. Babylon will allow its troops to be guided by Ankh Morpork.
ormuzd says:
*to make me
Paddy says:
have any?
ormuzd says:
I have copied Article V from our treaty proposal and there was nothing related the Horde
Paddy says:
have I or the Horde in anyway treated you badly?
ormuzd says:
neither "major threat", nor "going to war", nor "until the Horde is destroyed"
Paddy says:
yet you do not answer my two questions.
ormuzd says:
no, I said (or at least tried to say) I have not received any negative feedback from you
ormuzd says:
ok, what are the questions?
ormuzd says:
I'll send you the agreement anyway
Paddy says:
1. have any nation we have treated with come to you and said we are dealing to pull AM down?
2. have I or the Horde ion anyway treated you badly?
ormuzd says:
no to both of the questions
ormuzd says:
why don't I have your email address in my address book?
Paddy says:
I have deliberatly NOT told you of things, and toldd you many times that I have things happening, and would tell you later
ormuzd says:
yup
ormuzd says:
like the alliance with the bards
Paddy says:
yes
ormuzd says:
could you give me your email address?
Paddy says:
paddythescot@gmail.com
ormuzd says:
so, the treaty is sent
read it and calm down
Paddy says:
I am calm
ormuzd says:
after this I'd like to know who has sent you this?
Paddy says:
I have been telling you for weeks they are talking to us and want us to attack you
Paddy says:
Skrobism
Paddy says:
I said earlier
Paddy says:
I emailed it to you
ormuzd says:
I have never seen this text
Paddy says:
they are trying to play you
ormuzd says:
sorry
ormuzd says:
I guess so
ormuzd says:
they want delays in the moment they need them at most
Paddy says:
they tell us they are building
ormuzd says:
and this is the reason I want to know if they accept the treaty or not
Paddy says:
and at the right time they will attack you
ormuzd says:
I'm sure they are
Paddy says:
they feel they have you in a great spot
Paddy says:
and they are happy to accept your treaty, just to get back at you
ormuzd says:
they hope we willgive them iron
Paddy says:
they tell us that as much as they hate us, your actions were worse, so they will hurt you at the best moment
ormuzd says:
and I have said nothing about this yet
ormuzd says:
hm, interesting
Paddy says:
they claim to be willing to tell us all of their attacjks etc, so as for us to get ready to strike you
ormuzd says:
it is just that we are very paranoic and we could not allow it happen that easy
ormuzd says:
this makes sense
Paddy says:
ormuzd says:
we have weak defence home
Paddy says:
you are my greatest friends in this world outside the Horde
ormuzd says:
thank you again
Paddy says:
we have a mighty and long lasting peace and friendshi[
ormuzd says:
I guess this is the treaty they will send to us
Paddy says:
I stand in our great hall and gladly tell others to be quiet if they raise their voices against you
Paddy says:
I bet they are twisting the agreement as well
ormuzd says:
interesting
what don't they like?
Paddy says:
they just hate us
ormuzd says:
have I made anything wrong? or to make the members of the Horde susicious?
ormuzd says:
ah, babylon is ok so far - they play to win
Paddy says:
oh in the Horde
ormuzd says:
when they don't have the ability - just to avenge
Paddy says:
the Horde is the Horde - we discuss all options
ormuzd says:
yes, I was asking about the Horde
Paddy says:
the Horde are glad you are there
Paddy says:
we glad you allies
Paddy says:
at times some question your friendship
Paddy says:
as would happen anywhere with 17 members
Paddy says:
then snakes like Aqua and Skro try to say all sorts of crap - so then some of the Horde ask questions. Thus I say all is well.
ormuzd says:
the people are strange
Paddy says:
You are my allie, and true friend
ormuzd says:
I would wonder why but this is the right of own opinion
Paddy says:
I allow Horde council to have their say, and always to ask questions
Paddy says:
no use having puppets
ormuzd says:
of course
Paddy says:
and we have 17 firey people
ormuzd says:
all of them active
Paddy says:
2 active lurkers
Paddy says:
2 missing
Paddy says:
all others in are there
ormuzd says:
about babylon - we have attacked them while their forces were sent west to fight barbarians
ormuzd says:
they have returned now and there should be produced more
Paddy says:
yes
Paddy says:
sadly
ormuzd says:
with the amount of their gold babylon could produce large force for those turns
Paddy says:
yes
ormuzd says:
I think their cities should be well fortified now
Paddy says:
maybe
ormuzd says:
and if we continue to attack we will be open for a counter-attack
Paddy says:
yes
ormuzd says:
delaying may be as deadly as rushing
Paddy says:
but if you give in they can still grow and get you
ormuzd says:
and this is why I want get their cities and finish the war
Paddy says:
yes a dilemma
ormuzd says:
both ways are dangerous
Paddy says:
yes
ormuzd says:
as I told you some time earlier we have accomplished one of our goals
Paddy says:
yes indeed
ormuzd says:
to deny babylon the iron source
ormuzd says:
at this time we have to defend only one town
ormuzd says:
and they - two
Paddy says:
yes indeed
Treaty of Permanent Partnership Between Ankh Morpork and Babylon
Purpose
The purpose of this treaty is to affirm the creation of a permanent
partnership between the nations of Ankh Morpork and Babylon, the purpose
of which is to ensure the security and prosperity of both nations for all
time to come. The member nations shall seek to cooperate with one another
in the future to ensure joint success in the competition of the nations
through a victory on the part of Ankh Morpork and prosperity for Babylon.
Article I - Non-Aggression
1. Neither nation shall ever attack the other unless it is mutually agreed
to by both partners for the purpose of exchanging artillery units.
2. Neither nation shall ever declare war upon the other unless it is
mutually agreed to by both partners for the purpose of exchanging
artillery units, or for breaking a resource trade.
Article II - Sharing of Luxuries
1. The partner nations shall share all available luxuries with one another
unless Clause 2 or 3 is activated.
2. By a joint decision of the two nations, they may decide to forgo one of
their nations having a luxury in order to sell it to a foreign power.
3. If only one source of a luxury should exist between the partner
nations, the nation of Ankh Morpork shall decide what nation that luxury
shall go to.
Article III - Partnership in Technological Research
1. The partner nations shall share all technologies in their possession
with the other unless Clause 2 is activated.
2. By a joint decision of the partner nations, they may decide to forgo
sharing a given technology with one or the other nation.
3. Cooperative research goals shall be discussed between the partners and
if any conflicts exist, they shall be resolved by a decision by the nation
of Ankh Morpork.
4. By a joint decision of the partners, the nation of Babylon may sell a
technology to a foreign power.
Article IV - Wonders of the World
1. The partners shall inform each other of what wonders of the world they
are planning to construct.
2. If any conflict exists in plans by the partners to construct wonders of
the world, the nation of Ankh Morpork may make a decision on what wonders
it will construct that the nation of Babylon will not.
Article V - Mutual Protection and Military Alliance
1. If any nation should declare war upon either partner, the other partner
is obligated to declare war upon the declaring power and come to the
defense of its partner.
2. The timing of such a declaration and of the arrival of military aid as
in Clause 1 shall be discussed between the partners and ultimately decided
by the nation of Ankh Morpork.
3. If the nation of Ankh Morpork decides to declare war upon a foreign
power, the nation of Babylon shall do so as well if this is requested by
the nation of Ankh Morpork.
4. If the partners jointly agree, the nation of Babylon may unilaterally
declare war upon a foreign power that has not invaded its territory.
5. The partners shall cooperate in all military matters during any war by
sharing information about troop positions, intelligence about the enemy,
and plans.
6. For any territory conquered from a foreign power in war, the nation of
Ankh Morpork shall decide to which partner the territory shall eventually
be awarded and when it shall.
Article VI - Exchange of Territory
1.The cities of Inannas Throne, Hooka and Kurra shall be gifted to Ankh
Morpork
2. Babylon shall keep, as its official possessions, the cities of Potamia
and The Gardens of Tammuz, until Ankh Morpork requests that they be gifted
to Ankh Morpork. Babylon shall also have the right to settle the southern
desert, in addition to the city sites TMR 111111 and TMR 2211. Babylon
shall also settle the city sites Potamia 4477, and Potamia 1111. The land
behind these border cities may be settled however Babylon wishes to settle
it.
3. Neither partner shall ever accept the cultural conversion of a city
belonging to the other partner. Should any cultural conversion of a city
take place from one partner to the other anyhow, the city in question
shall be immediately returned to its original owner.
3. The partners may exchange additional territory by mutual agreement at
any point in the future and such agreements may include the exchanging of
lands with nations not a party to this partnership at the mutual agreement
of both partners.
ARTICLE VII - Additional Agreements
1. By a joint decision of the partners, the nation of Babylon may sign a
non-aggression agreement with a foreign power.
2. By a joint decision of the partners, the nation of Babylon may sign a
mutual-protection agreement with a foreign power.
3. Future agreements between the partners and with foreign powers may be
created and both partners pledge to do their utmost to find mutually
beneficial solutions for the partners in all such cases, but ultimately
the nation of Ankh Morpork has the right to veto potential agreements by
the partnership with foreign powers.
ARTICLE VIII - Ratification
1. Once this treaty has been signed by the representatives of each
partner, those representatives are responsible for taking the treaty back
to be ratified by the House of Lords in Babylon and the Council of the
Storm in Ankh Morpork.
2. Upon ratification by the Babylonian people and the Council of Oligarchy
in Ankh Morpork and notification of this ratification in each case is sent
to the other nation, this treaty will go into effect and the partners will
be bound by its terms.
ARTICLE IX - Ammendments
1. This treaty may be ammended if representatives of the two partners
mutually agree to an ammended version of the treaty and such an ammended
treaty is then ratified using the guidelines found in Article VIII.
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Mar 2001
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Paddy said:
I will send out your request
ormuzd said:
thank you
Paddy said:
we havce a question on lux
Paddy said:
in your agreement with babylon you are sending them lux
Paddy said:
also are you swapping art units?
Paddy said:
Article I - Non-Aggression1. Neither nation shall ever attack the other unless it is mutually agreed to by both partners for the purpose of exchanging artillery units.2. Neither nation shall ever declare war upon the other unless it is mutually agreed to by both partners for the purpose of exchanging artillery units, or for breaking a resource trade.
Paddy said:
swapping units?
Paddy said:
article 5 part 1 basically says that if we declared war on babs them AM will declare war on us
Paddy said:
is that true
Paddy said:
aticle 3 basically means they will be seeking to get a tech lead over us with the babs??
ormuzd says:
I guess this will never happen
Paddy says:
what is that ?
ormuzd says:
let me see the agreement and answer one by one
ormuzd says:
so, first question is about article I
ormuzd says:
we will attack each other only for some purpose - I think the fake war is considered a cheat, so this should never happen
ormuzd says:
article 3 says that we shall share technologies but AM will have the final decision who gets what
ormuzd says:
this means that if e decide to not gice a tech to someone babylon should not give it either (if they have it)
ormuzd says:
if babylon has a tech we should have it too
ormuzd says:
if we have a tech they should have it too unless AM decides something else
ormuzd says:
article 5 - if you declare war on babylon you declare war on us
ormuzd says:
so, it would be better to ask us first and being allies in secret with you we may reach final decision about this
ormuzd says:
think of babylon as Ankh-Morpork province
Paddy says:
I must say article 5 concerns me
ormuzd says:
why would you ever need to declare war to babylon?
Paddy says:
I am at war with them right nowe
ormuzd says:
you will end it
Paddy says:
will I
Paddy says:
why do you tell me that
ormuzd says:
if babylon was destroyed the war would end
ormuzd says:
imagine there is no more babylon
Paddy says:
but there is a babylon
Paddy says:
one that hates you and I
ormuzd says:
they are our vassals, working for us
Paddy says:
now you tell me to end the war
ormuzd says:
why do you need to harm us?
Paddy says:
most interesting
Paddy says:
me
Paddy says:
I am your greatest allie
ormuzd says:
I do not oreder you to do anything
Paddy says:
ormuzd says:
you will end it
ormuzd says:
but babylon being destroyed means the war is over
Paddy says:
your statement
ormuzd says:
ok, read it - "you should end it"
Paddy says:
for what reason then mate
I see them as a great danger
and you treat them as a vassal
Paddy says:
yet they lie to you
ormuzd says:
haven't we accomplished the goals of the war? denied the iron, destroyed a lot of units, captured their core cities
Paddy says:
and you now threaten us - that is we war on them we war on you and you will turn on us
tht is bad
Paddy says:
they exist still
ormuzd says:
we don't turn on you
ormuzd says:
it is true I don't believe them either
Paddy says:
next they will have a rop and be marching on us through your lands
ormuzd says:
1. If any nation should declare war upon either partner, the other partner is obligated to declare war upon the declaring power and come to the defense of its partner.
ormuzd says:
you do not declare war on them, so everything is fine
ormuzd says:
if needed we may use this twist
Paddy says:
we are at war with them now
ormuzd says:
they won't enter our territories because we fear a backstab
Paddy says:
my people are very concerned by this
ormuzd says:
the RoP is for us to be sure they are doing everything as promised
Paddy says:
you will be back stabbed - I have said before
Paddy says:
ok
ormuzd says:
they can't stab us now
ormuzd says:
and with our GA they won't be able to do it anytime soon
Paddy says:
good luck
ormuzd says:
we have iron, they don't
Paddy says:
I have brought forth questions raised
ormuzd says:
with the time this will get more and mroe impossible
Paddy says:
nad have they handed over the cities?
ormuzd says:
no, not yet
Paddy says:
ok
ormuzd says:
it is agreed they will produce a settler in each one of them and send the town to us
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
I bid you good luck mate
Paddy says:
and they remain members of the lost boys forum
Paddy says:
and close allies with the bards
Paddy says:
and new allies with DR
ormuzd says:
this is something I did not think about
ormuzd says:
we will require them to leave this aliance
ormuzd says:
but it is hard for me
Paddy says:
yes mate I understand
ormuzd says:
the question is with the Horde or against the Horde now
Paddy says:
I your friend, I your allie
Paddy says:
sorry I do not understand what you mean
ormuzd says:
I want to keep our good relations with the other part of the world
ormuzd says:
although we are already three - you, us and babylon
Paddy says:
I thought the goal was to destroy babylon
ormuzd says:
babylon are minor force, but euhproca are too
Paddy says:
babylon are not friends of the Horde
Paddy says:
they abuse us opften
ormuzd says:
so ,you want them completely destroyed instead of paying gold?
ormuzd says:
and helping both our treasures
Paddy says:
have they paid gold?
ormuzd says:
not yet
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
good luck on that
ormuzd says:
krill has made the bargains with them
Paddy says:
do you know what they had
Paddy says:
I understand he did - tyhen went away
ormuzd says:
knowing his attitudes I have simply asked him if he believes them
ormuzd says:
and he said he does
ormuzd says:
he is as suspicious as me
Paddy says:
ok.
ormuzd says:
no, this was after he returned
ormuzd says:
the final agreement was in Monday, short v\before we played our turn
ormuzd says:
but I as not at home at that time
Paddy says:
oh really
ormuzd says:
babylon are certainly lying on of us, the question is who
Paddy says:
yes
Paddy says:
indeed
ormuzd says:
they tell you they have the force the stab us
they tell us they are crippled and agree to the proposal
ormuzd says:
* lying one of us
Paddy says:
yes indeed
Paddy says:
they also tell us you are coming to get us with them
Paddy says:
too many stories
ormuzd says:
we will see in the next turn (the coming turn)
ormuzd says:
this is a clear lie
Paddy says:
I think you will see in 5 - 7 turns when they have a strong force
ormuzd says:
you may investigate each of our towns and see how vulnarable are
ormuzd says:
our force will be strong too
ormuzd says:
we need the troops to keep them in their corner no matter what they tell us
Paddy says:
mate I trust you
Paddy says:
I ask questions
Paddy says:
I raise points
Paddy says:
but I trust you
Paddy says:
if that be a failing then I will pay
Paddy says:
but in you for a great time you are my allie
Paddy says:
yes at some stage that must end, we know that
Paddy says:
yet we will be allies until we say otherwise way in the future
ormuzd says:
great
ormuzd says:
I was a little bit concerned if the plague of babylon has found feritile grounds in the Horde's hearts
Paddy says:
they abuse us, then try to get us to attack you
ormuzd says:
as krill said - we will get gold from them until we decide to destroy them
Paddy says:
I have been open with you
ormuzd says:
and we will keep them at bay
ormuzd says:
I know - you have shared some of their plans
Paddy says:
I wonder where all there gold is now
Paddy says:
I have shared with you veery thing I have
ormuzd says:
one problem is babylon itself
the other problem is the anti_horde alliance
Paddy says:
made up of babylon lb and bards
ormuzd says:
and dr
Paddy says:
really
ormuzd says:
actually not sure about dr
Paddy says:
when did that happen
ormuzd says:
but we had some talks with moonbars where he tried to convince me to join the aliance
Paddy says:
hmmm you never said anything
Paddy says:
how interesting
ormuzd says:
but he may has tried to learn what do I think about this
Paddy says:
maybe
Paddy says:
well you know we not hapopy your new allie still stirs nations agaiunst us
ormuzd says:
I have refused any information to him telling him I need to discuss things with krill and pointing out that we are at the greatest risk if we join the alliance
Paddy says:
think how that looks to us
ormuzd says:
do they? I did not see anything posted from their side
Paddy says:
really
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
you say so mate
Paddy says:
we watch them post in lb's thread
ormuzd says:
if I try to forbid them any insults against you this will reveal our alliance
Paddy says:
and we have word from others
Paddy says:
you know best
ormuzd says:
lb forum is something I did never check
ormuzd says:
everyone is insulting you - this is certain
ormuzd says:
even we, although I have stopped some time ago
ormuzd says:
it is normal to get dislike being at war with every nation on the continent at some or other time
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
I am going to dinner
ormuzd says:
and the war with euphorica is still considered a betrayal of yours
Paddy says:
of mine
ormuzd says:
I mean from what I have heard from other teams
Paddy says:
really
ormuzd says:
yes
Paddy says:
thank you for ignoring what I sent you
Paddy says:
thank you
Paddy says:
I go now
Paddy says:
bye
ormuzd says:
bye
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Paddy the Scot
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Hordeland
Mar 2001
time: 14:22
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and then from Krill
Paddy says:
hello
Krill says:
Hi Paddy.
Krill says:
How are you
Krill says:
?
Paddy says:
I am well
Paddy says:
you?
Krill says:
I'm fine. I'm getting a bit bored waiting for school to restart though.
Paddy says:
hahaha
Paddy says:
at some stage I would like to get an hour with you - some time in coming week
Krill says:
When are you available?
Paddy says:
maybe later tonight
Krill says:
That will be great.
Paddy says:
maybe sometime in coming days
Paddy says:
would like to discuss the game of course
Krill says:
I think I might be working tomorrow and Friday, but I am all alone on the weekend.
Krill says:
Ah, the game.
Paddy says:
yes
Krill says:
We need to get OPD to skip snoops turn.
Paddy says:
I have been providing Ormuzd a lot of intel on babylon
Paddy says:
have you been getting that
Krill says:
no, I have not spoken to Orm since we sent the save.
Paddy says:
ok
Krill says:
My internet connection has been a little shakey
Paddy says:
ok
Krill says:
seems better now though. (touch wood)
Paddy says:
hehehe
Krill says:
So, have you been in contact with Babylon then?
Paddy says:
they are crawling all over contacts with two of my people
Paddy says:
sent us some disturbing intel on you
Krill says:
Really?
Krill says:
Such as?
Paddy says:
that you are plotting with them our downfall
Paddy says:
and then they sent us your treaty
Krill says:
ah, let me explain that.
Krill says:
wait, what treaty do you refer to?
Krill says:
the Vassalization treaty?
Paddy says:
possibly
Paddy says:
there are lots of questions
Paddy says:
thus why I would like some time
Paddy says:
also it has been shown that the treaty they sent us is a twisted version of yours
Krill says:
Well, I can answer all of them. The first would be the "Plotting your downfall one". I can do that one now.
Paddy says:
chill mate
Paddy says:
You my allie
Krill says:
Ah. The vassal treaty is an old one, from the PTWDG, between Gathering Storm and Spain.
Paddy says:
I not worried of that
Krill says:
I just copy, pasted, and replaced some of the words.
Paddy says:
If you turning on me then I a fool
Paddy says:
I trust you and Ormuzd
Krill says:
And I would be suicidal
Paddy says:
My point the whole time is that Babylon are not to be trusted
Paddy says:
they have told us many times now how they are going to take you down
Krill says:
Oh God yeah. I have even told them to disconnect their horses, and send me a picture of it.
Paddy says:
they may not kill your nation
but they are going to have peace so that they can backstab you as hard as they can
Paddy says:
they claim to want us to attack you, and will coordinate with us to get you
as you attacked them - and we have not etc
so you the one they want most etc
Paddy says:
so my concern is you are allowing them life at a major cost
Krill says:
do you have any chat logs at all?
Krill says:
Sorry to be blunt, but I would like to know if they said anything about tropps, positions etc...
Paddy says:
they offer us your troop positions in coming 5 turns
Paddy says:
initially they started with pieces of treaty
Paddy says:
then more
Paddy says:
last was whole treaty
Krill says:
Damnit. I'm going to backstab them again. I'll play along with the Vassal treaty, just like they are. Then I will ram 10 horses down their throats.
Paddy says:
well mate I glad you back
Krill says:
We attack Inaanas throne next turn.
Paddy says:
Ormuzd was not interested
Paddy says:
I looking for the emails now
Krill says:
and the first thing I will do is rename to something that i cna spell.
Krill says:
can
Paddy says:
sent to you 22 aug
Krill says:
I'll read it when it arrives, but until then,do you have any news from the Euphorican front?
Paddy says:
I mean I sent to you Aug 22
Krill says:
hmm. Still not there. Normally I recieve stuff about 5 seconds after you send it...
Paddy says:
I sent it days ago
Paddy says:
today 24th
Krill says:
ah. You sent the entire treaty. When I first saw it, I thought that Orm had sent to to you so that you would know what was going on.
Paddy says:
no that is treaty Babs sent us
Paddy says:
look at :
Article V - Mutual Protection and Military Alliance
1. It is agreed that the Blood Oath Horde is THE major threat to the nations involved in this treaty, and arguably the world. Ankh Morpork and Babylon shall prepare for this war with all available funds and energy. Ankh Morpork shall decide when and where this war will begin. Babylon will allow its troops to be guided by Ankh Morpork.
Krill says:
I've got it now thanks
Krill says:
Wait.
Krill says:
I never said that, and we never discussed that. I might have done the equivalent of shrugging non commitally, but e have not discussed anyhting like war.
Krill says:
but we have not
Paddy says:
They are saying that
Paddy says:
they are baiting us to attack you
Paddy says:
they acknowledge they may be finished soon - but claim to want your nation hurt as much as possible
Krill says:
Meh, it is Babylon. And very shortly it is going to be a pile of dust.
Paddy says:
Ok.
Paddy says:
Thank you for listening to me.
Krill says:
no problem. Thank you for bring this to my attention Paddy.
Krill says:
I owe you one.
Paddy says:
No you do not mate. We are allies.
Paddy says:
May we move to another subject now?
Krill says:
Sure
Krill says:
I'm all ears.
Paddy says:
We have new members who do not know you or much of our alliance etc
I would like to discuss the far distant future
Paddy says:
For one day our alliance will end and one day there may be war between us
Paddy says:
Could you talk now of how you see the far future
Krill says:
that is the probability, yes.
Paddy says:
could you share your thoughts for these new members
Krill says:
The way I see it is simple. we either kill all other civs, and have a face off between our two civs at the end, after a set amount of time in a cease fire
Krill says:
Or
Krill says:
We break the alliance beforehand, say at a certain point in time. One example would be the destruction of DR, or at a set point in time (say 30, 40, 50 turns from now).
Paddy says:
Thank you Krill for this.
Krill says:
IMO none of these are ever perfect.
Paddy says:
Indeed
Paddy says:
and a long way down the road
Paddy says:
I need to go knock over a few games
are you here in a few hours
Krill says:
yeah, I'll be here for the next 12 hours or so.
Paddy says:
cheers
Krill says:
OK then Paddy see you later
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Paddy the Scot
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Hordeland
Mar 2001
time: 14:22
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some sensity information was forwarded to Grand Master Plato from representative Skrobism of Babylon. it contained all sorts of details and a chat between he and Krill of AM. This led me to having the following chat with Krill 
enjoy 
Paddy says:
hello there Lord Krill
Krill says:
Hi mate
Paddy says:
so you have the save
Paddy says:
did they give you the cities
Krill says:
nope.
Krill says:
got two emails though
Krill says:
Beta saying that he stepped in, had a look at the posts in the forum, could not understand them and then just played the save.
Krill says:
but he did pillage the horse tile...
Paddy says:
hmmm
Krill says:
Skro then emailed, saying how sorry he was.
Paddy says:
can we have a chat of the game for a while?
Krill says:
sure
Krill says:
I'll do the LiT tomorrow
Paddy says:
we have had more correspondence from Babylon
Paddy says:
I have a few "QUOTES" that supposedly come from you
Krill says:
ooh, I would love to hear those...
Paddy says:
in refernece of you talking to Babs of the Horde
1. we are building another force of WC in the Core to attack them with if they try anything stupid
Krill says:
Sorry, just went the toilet.
Paddy says:
good timing
Krill says:
Ok, I said that, trying to make it look like we don't have an alliance. We don't want Babylon to know about that, obviously, and I was trying to make it look like AM is looking out for itself.
Krill says:
I mean, right now we have pretty much jackall in the core
Paddy says:
I understand
Paddy says:
I do need to clarify these things
Krill says:
Oh I understand 100%
Krill says:
I think it would have been wiser if both of our teams had shared all of our correspondence that we had with babylon from the start of the war, really
Paddy says:
hahah a yes
Paddy says:
2. Yeah, we are going to palace jump to your lands shortly in the future, after finishing the FP.
Paddy says:
I asked Ormuzd of this a week ago he said he knew nothing, this not first time they tell us of this
Krill says:
To be perfectly honest, I don't see what this quote has to do with anything.
Paddy says:
we just seek clarification of what is going on
and to again show that Babylon are willing to sell you down the river - weeks ago
Krill says:
Oh, don't worry about Babbylon, we are going to attack them this turn.
Paddy says:
ok mate
Paddy says:
they are pushing and pushing
Paddy says:
we are laughing in our halls
Paddy says:
just want to keep you in the loop
Krill says:
And I really do thank you for that.
Paddy says:
all part of the service
Paddy says:
General Ruby has taken control of the Grey Wolves Horde, which with a few unit builds, and a transfer or two, is now up to 15 units
so we are close to the actual number of 19 of the shadow Horde list I sent you
Paddy says:
and he is itching for a war
Krill says:
HE can have all of the war he wants
Paddy says:
we have him sitting back in the Blood Hall training his man in the fine art of surfacing after 3 - 5 days on the grog
Krill says:
is he on hotmail, at all?
Paddy says:
like msn?
Krill says:
yup, MSN
Paddy says:
yes mate
Paddy says:
I will get it
Paddy says:
henry5972@hotmail for msn
Krill says:
thanks mate.
Paddy says:
he is a good stick
Krill says:
I hope he is. He'll be a good adversary in the race for the Consulship
Paddy says:
ahhh yes indeed
Paddy says:
I forgot about that
Paddy says:
good value
Paddy says:
that not his email though
Krill says:
I got his gmail account rom you yesterday, thanks
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
I been here to many hours
Krill says:
I'll bet
Krill says:
I doubt we will play the save when Orm gets back. He might even have gotten back and just gone to sleep as it is 00:38 his time
Paddy says:
ahhh yes
Paddy says:
did you see 1889 is leaving for Alaska?
Krill says:
when?
Paddy says:
in the pbem admin thread
Paddy says:
I do not remember date
Krill says:
My God
Krill says:
I know I am sad because I love rain, but Alasaka???
Paddy says:
hehehe
Krill says:
Alaska, sorry...
Paddy says:
and no house
Krill says:
One wonders why he would do it.
Paddy says:
I going north to Alaska, going north the rush is on....
Paddy says:
to get away from us
Krill says:
And that is a perfectly good reason.
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Paddy the Scot
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Hordeland
Mar 2001
time: 14:22
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Paddy says:
can we chat on EoD?
Krill says:
I was thinking of replying to Snoops post about how it is the majority of the teams decisions, and not just his teams decision on tha mount of time each team gets to play the save
Paddy says:
back
Paddy says:
hahaha
Paddy says:
where do you go next in babylon
Krill says:
There is a small stack that is trying to break through an get iron for them.
Krill says:
we are going to pillage a road so they can't get the iron,
Krill says:
and kill the stack for good measure
Krill says:
building up some mI
Krill says:
MI
Krill says:
we figured we need the hard hitters
Paddy says:
have they been talking with you?
Krill says:
nope
Paddy says:
interesting stuff
Paddy says:
what of your units that attacked, will they be safe
Krill says:
This was the thing that wouold not have happened, but Orm gave thenm 2 turns of ceasefire while our troops healed. I wold have just carried on attacking, we probably would have had IT about 4 turns ago...
Krill says:
out of those 3 remaining WC, we have one pike over them
Krill says:
and 2 bab cats
Paddy says:
do you think you will loose them?
Krill says:
They had enough Bowmen in there to wipe out the stack
Krill says:
but I am not sure if they would attack
Krill says:
but if they *do* attack
Krill says:
they wll get a GA,
Krill says:
and we lose that small stack
Paddy says:
oh
Krill says:
but
Krill says:
I reckon we would take a couple of bowmen with it
Krill says:
and with any luck one of the WC would retreat
Krill says:
Also, the reason we stopped the attack was that we knew that we did not have enough units to break through the sheer amount in that city
Krill says:
Hell, I wanted to attack babylon itself
Krill says:
over a river, on a hill, suicide, but no one would have expected it...
Paddy says:
no one?
Krill says:
well, hyperbole
Krill says:
I doubt that there would be many bowmen in it, just spears
Paddy says:
ok
Krill says:
spears I can live with, but those bloody bowmen get defensive bombard
Krill says:
don't even try to calculate the odds
Paddy says:
so where do you see the future in babylon?
Krill says:
6 feet under ground
Paddy says:
ok
Krill says:
and if Ruby wants to help put them there, I have no quealms with that
Krill says:
Basic ideas of some number:
nothing more from Krill - he went off line
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Paddy the Scot
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Hordeland
Mar 2001
time: 14:22
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Paddy says:
hello
Krill says:
Hi Paddy
Paddy says:
How are you going?
Krill says:
Fine
Krill says:
School starts on tuesday
Paddy says:
oh
Krill says:
so I get to meet some friends aain.
Paddy says:
damn
Paddy says:
ok
Krill says:
Heh, I Like school. More productive than playing civ...
Krill says:
Paddy says:
especially lately
Krill says:
yup
Paddy says:
good to see OPD back
Paddy says:
sad the way Moon held the save 24 for spite
Krill says:
Well, I can understand why he is doing it. Euphorica should not have the extra time.
Krill says:
And I take it that you were negoitiating with them in that extra time...
Paddy says:
everyone Knew OPD was out
Paddy says:
no
Krill says:
really?
Paddy says:
snoop claims we were
Paddy says:
for last 3 turns he came to us on 3rd day with claims of being busy etc
Paddy says:
"sorry I missed you all" etc
Paddy says:
driving a peace agreement through last minute negotiations
Paddy says:
sad
Krill says:
Well, I just want them either playing the save within 24 hours
Paddy says:
me too mate
Krill says:
or retired from the game next turn
Paddy says:
not muchleft now
Krill says:
I wonder what is in their capital?
Paddy says:
1 tile away
Paddy says:
right in front of my lads
Paddy says:
can a capital be adandoned?3
Krill says:
they are asgood as dead, and it was nice of them to sacrifice som many oftheir own, and DRs' units...
Krill says:
yes, a capital can be abandon.
Krill says:
but there must be a couple of other cities.
Paddy says:
I expect that to happen
Paddy says:
1 more we know of
Paddy says:
do you know of more
Krill says:
I think the number is 2 other cities, but it might be 3
Paddy says:
where?
Paddy says:
none up near us
Krill says:
any where on the map
Paddy says:
cryptic
Krill says:
sorry?
Paddy says:
your statement is cryptic
Krill says:
If there are two or more cities other than the capital, anywhere on the map belonging to a team, then it is possible to abbandon the capital
Krill says:
I think that is the correct satement
Paddy says:
ahhhh
Paddy says:
what if only 1 then?
Krill says:
you definatly can not abandon tha capital
Krill says:
I think
Krill says:
I can only remember this from reading something that Trip posted at one point in the past
Paddy says:
oh ok
Paddy says:
well we can see only 2 bards towns, 1 being the capital
Krill says:
so, Beach Boys was abandoned?
Krill says:
the furs town.
Paddy says:
bo beach boys stands
Krill says:
what cities do Eu have then?
Paddy says:
Beack Boys and Abba (capital)
Krill says:
So they lost the northern town.
Paddy says:
Beach
Paddy says:
yes
Paddy says:
Rolling Stones fell
Krill says:
well, the first team is about to fall
Paddy says:
yes, and they causing a few dirty nappies
Paddy says:
I posted in save game thread
Paddy says:
how goes "Republic"
Krill says:
Rep will be ours in 2 turns, IIRC
Paddy says:
cool.
Krill says:
but we won't change until the babs are dead though
Paddy says:
would you like some help with Babs
Krill says:
I'd love some help with the babs
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
I working on some plans
Krill says:
next turn though, we will try to wipe out their second attempt to take iron.
Paddy says:
good
Krill says:
and I think we have a good chance of doing that
Krill says:
and if not we have the ability to cut the only road that is connecting the iron to their main cities, though it would cost us a horse.
Krill says:
maybe more.
Krill says:
But there is no way in hell I am going to let them have iron
Krill says:
if you want a hand, i am always here
Paddy says:
tx
Krill says:
OK, nextturn, assuming the Babs moved as we expected them to, we can throw 1 vet WC, 4 vet horse, 1 elite horse and 1 elite WC at 2 vet spears and a vet bowman, which will be on a hill.
Krill says:
so we should win that.
Paddy says:
good
Krill says:
I am just suprised at the amount of damage that lone pike did
Paddy says:
rng sux
Paddy says:
hopefully better in civ IV
Paddy says:
better system I mean3
Krill says:
Sorry, what does mg mean?
Paddy says:
r n g
Paddy says:
random number generator
Krill says:
I prefer this really simple phrase
Krill says:
**** happens
Krill says:
we got bad odds attacking the city, they got bad results attacking us.
Paddy says:
yeah
Krill says:
it evens out in the end.
Paddy says:
hehehe
Paddy says:
war is hell
Krill says:
BTW, Those battle statistics are kinda weird. BOH have only fought in 17% of the battles?
Krill says:
NO mate, I have to congratulate on being on of them ost peaceful civs in the game
Krill says:
Now, sorry
Paddy says:
hehehe
Paddy says:
well been a funny game
Paddy says:
snoppy running away from us has been funniest
Krill says:
what happens if they have a settler on a galley though?
Paddy says:
no idea mate
Paddy says:
I do not think that Snoopy would
Paddy says:
I think he sad that he 1st to go
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PLATO
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Of the occupied South
Dec 2002
time: 23:22
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Social call on Krill
Plato says:
hello
Krill says:
Hi
Plato says:
How goes things in The mighty AM?
Krill says:
OK
Krill says:
no more iron stack
Krill says:
Plato says:
hehe...awesome. And you guys have an army! Wow!
Krill says:
horse army.
Krill says:
I would rather have an FP
Plato says:
Still...that is an awesome force
Krill says:
or MI army
Plato says:
yes, an MI army would be the force of the world right now
Plato says:
You guys building FP?
Krill says:
Not any more
Krill says:
Changed to MI
Plato says:
ahh...The war is demanding more troops then?
Krill says:
We only have one vet warrior, and that is the one in the north, to your west
Krill says:
so they have to be built from scratch
Plato says:
That is Grog, right?
Krill says:
No, Scrub
Krill says:
Death in bulgarian
Plato says:
Haha...excellent
Krill says:
i did not even know the link when I suggested it
Plato says:
hehe.
Krill says:
We named the warriors after minor charactors in the discworld series
Krill says:
And one of them was named Mr Scrub
Plato says:
Yes, had not heard of that before your team...looks like a cool series
Plato says:
We should be done with the bards in 4-5 turns. What is your timetable on babs?
Krill says:
Should take that long just to get some basic MI forces down south
Krill says:
I have been thinking about going on pillagig trips with the army thoguh
Plato says:
We can probably get some units moving that way when bards are done, but it is a long march
Krill says:
The only strat that I can think that will work is to stop Babs from getting iron off anyone.
Krill says:
and stop them trading
Krill says:
and are you about to inish the great Library?
Krill says:
finish
Plato says:
yes. Have you talked to Lord Nuc about that? He seems to be in charge of LB now
Krill says:
I have been meaning to,
Krill says:
but not really had the time
Plato says:
I have yet to talk to him eithier. Do you know much about him?
Plato says:
I have never talked to him before and don't know where he stands on issues
Krill says:
never talked to him before either
Krill says:
i would like to try and get him to attack Kurra though if possible
Plato says:
Really? Why? Just to try and weaken him a bit or do you think it would be necessary for you to finish babs?
Krill says:
two fold
Krill says:
stops babs trading for iron.
Krill says:
and should weaken them and the babs
Plato says:
hehe...indeed. I wonder what his relationship with aqua will be?
Krill says:
but can we talk about this when I have talked to Orm about it?
Plato says:
Sure...no problem.
Krill says:
It is ust that, well, I have not talked to Orm since we played 1075 BC.
Krill says:
so we need to catch up
Plato says:
This is really just a social call anyway. Haven't talked with you in a while
Krill says:
What are you doing tomoorw, btw? Work?
Plato says:
No. labor day holiday here tommorow. I do have to take Bobby home tommorow though. So I will be unavailable from 25 to 30 hours from now. Other than that, I will be around most of the day
Plato says:
Bobby is my son, btw. He lives about 3 hours east of here with his mom
Plato says:
Want to get together tommorow?
Krill says:
sure, if possible
Plato says:
okay. Tell orm I said hello! Have a great one!
Krill says:
thanks. I hope you have a good time with your son
Plato says:
Thanks. Bye for now
Krill says:
bye
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Paddy the Scot
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Hordeland
Mar 2001
time: 14:22
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Paddy says:
so my friend - you have a tech dilemma coming your way
Paddy says:
you finish republic this turn?
Krill says:
yes
Paddy says:
will you strike for new gov straight away?
Krill says:
not in the GA
Paddy says:
of course
Paddy says:
and your research must be hooting
Krill says:
but now we can send you the gold to speed research to Chiv
Paddy says:
eng - chiv - theo?
Krill says:
we could get chiv in 9 turns if we wanted.
Paddy says:
yes we have that deal indeed
Paddy says:
wow
Paddy says:
yes
Krill says:
so, how far from chiv are you?
Paddy says:
14
Paddy says:
13
Krill says:
and how much gold should we send to allow you to max the science slider?
Paddy says:
inbetween turns and all that
Krill says:
40 gpt?
Krill says:
50?
Krill says:
60?
Paddy says:
what can you afford?
Krill says:
that much easy.
Paddy says:
ok, I will be back in 5
Paddy says:
must go read my "Blood money" department notes
Paddy says:
60 would be a blast
Paddy says:
50 would do the job
Krill says:
60 it is
Paddy says:
40 was the agrement
Paddy says:
thank you
Krill says:
how long do you think it would take to research chiv then?
Paddy says:
aprrox 9
Paddy says:
understand I not a micro manager here
Paddy says:
I looking over anothers notes
Krill says:
mate, Mmers rarely take gold ino account
Paddy says:
ahhh, they had been dealing on the 40gpt
Krill says:
just too difficult
Paddy says:
hehehe
Paddy says:
unfortuanatley we do not have libraries etc - have built way too many units
Krill says:
all we have are the temples, barracks and three granaries
Krill says:
and the temples because they are cheap
Paddy says:
ahhh yes
Paddy says:
barracks
Krill says:
your team has shown me just how much damage a warrior rush can do.
Paddy says:
we have lots of them
Krill says:
you have lots of cheap barracks, just as we have lots of cheap libs
Krill says:
personally I woud prefer to have the cheap barracks
Paddy says:
they helpful
Paddy says:
what wonders are you planning?
Krill says:
none
Paddy says:
ok
Krill says:
FP if we get another leader, though an MI army sounds nice to me
Krill says:
yet to talk to Orm though
Paddy says:
MI Army
Paddy says:
ok
Krill says:
rool:
Paddy says:
Paddy says:
I so so understand
Krill says:
get in some more battles Paddy, you might get an MGL
Krill says:
what are the stats now?
Krill says:
we have been in 40% of the battles
Paddy says:
yes indeed
Krill says:
you in 20%
Paddy says:
we havbe a massive set of battles coming up
Krill says:
true. hope you get an MGl though
Paddy says:
me too
Paddy says:
snoop has 21 - 26 units in a town, walls, on a hill
Paddy says:
so I am consolidating and coming in at the best tiles for us
Krill says:
via the mountain?
Paddy says:
yes
Paddy says:
we have no cats
Paddy says:
he does
Paddy says:
he has a mountain right next to him
Paddy says:
too bad for him
Paddy says:
I kinda hopeing he just quits
but I so so want a leader or 3
Krill says:
well, I hope you know that you can only hacve one MGL at a time
Paddy says:
ahh indeed
Paddy says:
but if you take him straight to a town and form "army" then you can continue - right?
Krill says:
yes
Paddy says:
Paddy says:
well we have 2 towns near by for such of required
Paddy says:
struth, maybe even pull back some lads to go form up in that new army, then bring it down on snoop
Paddy says:
I being cocky now
Krill says:
Yeah, just kill him, put him out of his misery
Paddy says:
and ours
Krill says:
yup
Paddy says:
well looks like we have a renewed aggressive DR on our hands
Krill says:
really?
Krill says:
how do you know?
Paddy says:
we have a DR settler moving into our south eastern area
Paddy says:
and aqua has been telling me over and over how they are almost at war with LB
then last night admitted that they are on a strong common border
with and LB worker in their lands building roads
Paddy says:
has been screaming how LB is a threat all this time
and was all bull ****
Krill says:
it looks like everyone is eternally at war with everyone else
Krill says:
apart from us two
Paddy says:
hehe
Paddy says:
we will conqueror and divide them
Paddy says:
as they are all busy telling us about each other 
Krill says:
brb
Paddy says:
ok
Krill says:
got to empty the bin
Krill says:
well
Krill says:
I do have something to tell you
Paddy says:
ok
Krill says:
I chatted to Nuclear master, twice.
Krill says:
NM said that he was considering attacking babylon himself
Paddy says:
hajaha
Krill says:
and that he wants an alliance with DR, but the only way that DR would agree to the alliance is if your army went south and attacked Babylon
Paddy says:
DR is trying to get me to attack LB
Krill says:
yes
Krill says:
basically.
Paddy says:
nice
Krill says:
The one team that has all of the game to build up
Krill says:
The thing is, NM thought that it could work
Krill says:
if he could get Am and the babs to attack you
Paddy says:
yes
Krill says:
Now, Moonbars spoke to me about this as well
Krill says:
he said that he thought neither AM nor the babs would agree to a ceasefire to attack BOH
Paddy says:
haha
Paddy says:
yes they are a funny lot
Paddy says:
and all the while we have such a strong link
Paddy says:
by the way we should have our road to you finished this turn or next for lux trade
Krill says:
OK
Paddy says:
I have asked Chris and Plato to drop by and say hello to you and Orm by the way
Krill says:
Thanks mate. It will be nice to chat with them
Paddy says:
I am Khan of the Horde
yet my main role in dealing with your Nation is as Ambassador
in that Plato is the Chief Ambassador, so my direct supervisor
and Chris runs the Blood Cell, of which foreign affairs be a part of making him my 2 up boos in this
Paddy says:
so I feel it be important that they get a relationship going with you both
Paddy says:
my understanding is DR are busy on engineering
they have a hope we will trade Eng for chiv
sad
Krill says:
poor fellows
Paddy says:
my ask is that neither of our nations share Chiv with any nations
Paddy says:
all the better to crush them
Krill says:
oh yes
Krill says:
definatly
Paddy says:
Krill says:
and if you ever want rep, just ask and we will send it
Paddy says:
thanks
Paddy says:
have you any ideas what you will research
Paddy says:
or will you go stag for a while for the gold
Krill says:
fund you
Paddy says:
cool
Krill says:
0% sci, I reckon
Paddy says:
works
Krill says:
just save a bit of gold, and then when chiv is here, save a bit more.
Krill says:
then upgrade
Paddy says:
how is that horse army? all healed I hope
Krill says:
not yet
Krill says:
put it in a town with a barracks
Paddy says:
hmmm
Paddy says:
a shame
Krill says:
all healed next turn
Paddy says:
could have used its extra movement to go hunting in the babs western lands
Paddy says:
ahhh excellent
Paddy says:
well mate 5am here - I best go sleep for some of the night
Paddy says:
have a good one, and enjoy the turn
Krill says:
yes, have a nice sleep mate
Paddy says:
cheers
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Paddy the Scot
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Hordeland
Mar 2001
time: 14:22
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Paddy says:
hello mate
Krill says:
Hi Paddy
Paddy says:
hope you had a good week
Krill says:
quite good, yes
Krill says:
how was yours?
Paddy says:
been good tx
Krill says:
Hey Paddy
Paddy says:
hello mate
Paddy says:
just watching the Bourne Identity
Paddy says:
How may I help
Krill says:
How long until it finishes? I can call back then
ormuzd has been added to the conversation.
Paddy says:
hello Ormuzd
Paddy says:
lets chat
Krill says:
OK
Krill says:
C3CDG
Paddy says:
indeed
Paddy says:
is there any other game
Krill says:
we are in fued as you kow, and about to run over the support limit
Paddy says:
oh
Krill says:
3gpt per excess unit
Paddy says:
yes
ormuzd says:
so, we can't send that much gold
Krill says:
so, we were thinking of putting down some extra towns. Would it be acceptable if We built a town 66 of Unreal Estate (22333), to get incense. We can then trade the second incense to you, in addition to having an extra lux our selves.
ormuzd says:
one other thing - there is a DR horseman near the furnace
Paddy says:
opening a map of that region.
Paddy says:
yes we are monitoring two DR units - horse and immortal
as well as two LB units - Mercs
Paddy says:
ok, map open
Paddy says:
which subject first - Gold, lux or DR units?
Krill says:
which ever is best for you.
Paddy says:
Your meeting my friend
Paddy says:
Gold
Paddy says:
so where do you stand then?
Krill says:
OK, basically all of the gold that we generate we are sending to you.
Krill says:
more than 90%
Paddy says:
yes
Paddy says:
and our economy is now based around that for the research
Krill says:
Well, that either has to decrease, or we settle some more towns for unit support.
Paddy says:
yes
Krill says:
If we an settle the incense town, then we should be able to carry on giving you that 60 gpt
Krill says:
if we can...
Paddy says:
understand that incense town is a mighty target for many of the teams - us included
Krill says:
the incense would be traded to you for the rest of the gmae, we have no problems with that
Paddy says:
I like your above optiojn for it
Paddy says:
thank you
Paddy says:
how soon can you get a settler there
Krill says:
the settler could build a town there in 3 turns
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
and the gold between now and then?
Krill says:
We will continue to send atleast 50 gpt, but it should not change dramatically.
Paddy says:
ok
Krill says:
when the town is settled, it should stay at about 60 gpt until chiv is researched
Paddy says:
ok
ormuzd has left the conversation.
Paddy says:
ok, for now, I suggest you start that settler on his way
Krill says:
Thank you Paddy.
Paddy says:
I need to discuss this with some of my council and the Khanate Prince of that Region
Paddy says:
Prince Ruby has a settler organised for that area
Paddy says:
In his build queue etc
Krill says:
Well, can we please have a response by the time we have to play the save?
Paddy says:
today?
Paddy says:
really?
Paddy says:
looks like you will be holding the save then
Krill says:
sorry, the next save
Paddy says:
Understand we plan things many turns in advance
Paddy says:
ahh the next save - easy indeed
Paddy says:
ok, we sent you dyes - and my notes say you are connecting spices this (or next turn) for that trade
Paddy says:
is that still on track
Krill says:
we have added spices and sent accepted.
Paddy says:
ahhh you too good to me
Paddy says:
a nice long term trade that one
Paddy says:
On reading my notes, I expect full approval of you settling the incence location
Krill says:
Babylon is full of arseholes
Krill says:
They named one Horse "Run, run, as fast as you can..."
Krill says:
and thenhey named a Spear "You are complete fools"
Krill says:
then they
Paddy says:
No issues with us on that mate
Paddy says:
You playing the save now?
Krill says:
yes
Paddy says:
cool
Krill says:
Just thinking about the pros and cons of ripping up some roads
Paddy says:
ahh really?
Paddy says:
in their lands
Krill says:
no, just south of the iron
Krill says:
it is either rip up those roads, or the road on the iron, and we have a settler on the way to plant on the iron
Paddy says:
south sounds better to me
Paddy says:
but will your pillage party survive?
Krill says:
no chance
Paddy says:
sad
Krill says:
He might retreat, though
Krill says:
doubt it tough
Krill says:
though
Paddy says:
very sad
Paddy says:
which tile?
Krill says:
It's Binky.
Krill says:
4/5
Paddy says:
hmmm
Krill says:
1 of the iron, or the iron tile
Krill says:
Personaly i would prefer to cut the iron tile
Paddy says:
is that road? ok
Paddy says:
where will you plant your settler?
Krill says:
either on the iron, or 7 of the iron
Krill says:
on a hill
Paddy says:
both hills right?
Krill says:
both hills
Paddy says:
yes a dilemma
Krill says:
Well, I think I'll cut the iron
Paddy says:
7 of iron is harder for them to get to
Paddy says:
yes
ormuzd has been added to the conversation.
Paddy says:
is 7 of iron roaded
Paddy says:
Hi Ormuzd
Krill says:
OK, Orm, I'm sorry to say I just sacrificed Binky
ormuzd says:
hello again
ormuzd says:
why?
ormuzd says:
what have you done?
Krill says:
Binky cut the road on the iron.
ormuzd says:
hm
Krill says:
He is still alive at the moment, he may retreat, but we could not risk the babs getting Iron
ormuzd says:
do you see more babylonian units from that hills?
Krill says:
just the bowman that attacked the army
ormuzd says:
Binky will retreat
ormuzd says:
the elite units almost always retreat
ormuzd says:
46%% for elite or veterans - can't remember exactly
ormuzd says:
anyway
ormuzd says:
one WC less
Krill says:
1 out of 2 chance
Krill says:
unless we fight another fastmover
ormuzd says:
to free a space for a medieval infantry
ormuzd says:
what sis you agree with paddy?
ormuzd says:
we may discuss our deeds after this and paddy may have something else to do
Paddy says:
happy to stay available if you need me
Paddy says:
would like to discuss a few things with you both
ormuzd says:
thank you
Krill says:
Sure, I'm around all day.
ormuzd says:
I'm at work now, so I have a lot of time too
Paddy says:
ormuzd says:
I might even update the stats for the ISDG
Paddy says:
there is also spices at barrows nest 6 6
Paddy says:
would you expect a culture growth soon?
ormuzd says:
I remember we have talked about them some time ago
Paddy says:
yes
ormuzd says:
*about it
Paddy says:
and I would like to discuss them again
Paddy says:
Krill says:
if the culture does not double anytime soon, then the borders should expand in 29 turns
ormuzd says:
I think there is plenty of time until Barrows Nest expands but we might some more improvements which generate culture
Paddy says:
yes ok
ormuzd says:
oh, much sooner than I have expected
Krill says:
And that is only from the temple
Krill says:
Hmm, babs built 4 horses so far
Krill says:
cheap food for the MI
Paddy says:
good
ormuzd says:
so, what was about the spices?
ormuzd says:
only this?
Krill says:
2 spears
ormuzd says:
when are you going to build a town there?
ormuzd says:
and do you even plan to build?
Krill says:
4 bowmen
Krill says:
3 horse,
Paddy says:
not going to if your culture will grow so soon
Krill says:
2 cats, all 333 of TM
ormuzd says:
if we could transform our culture into military we would sweep babylon
ormuzd says:
do you see any strange names of their units?
ormuzd says:
like the "Run, run faster..." or whatever the name of that horseman was
Paddy says:
Babs are twits
Paddy says:
Like a nation would do that
ormuzd says:
too self confident
ormuzd says:
once they suffered
ormuzd says:
and I'm going ot let them make the same mistake again
ormuzd says:
I only wonder how
Paddy says:
nice
ormuzd says:
is there someone who has engineering or is going to have it soon?
Krill says:
Let them try to capture TM
ormuzd says:
this is the least
Paddy says:
DR are working very very hard on that
Krill says:
let them smahs themselves against it.
Krill says:
then we break them.
ormuzd says:
I want to force them throw their entire military force
Krill says:
but we would need a small force of knights to be really effective.
Paddy says:
yes
ormuzd says:
and use the horse army to capture their undefended cities
Krill says:
just to hit them on the break
Krill says:
yup, Horse army is a great counter attacker, but it can't lead from the front.
ormuzd says:
if we settle over the iron babylon will need to get iron from LB
Paddy says:
expect that soon
ormuzd says:
we have expected this to happen long time ago
ormuzd says:
but babylon tried to settle there two times already
ormuzd says:
and after he engineering comes the saltpeter
Krill says:
free slaves.
Krill says:
Yum
Krill says:
almost finished the turn now
Paddy says:
ormuzd says:
so, paddy, expect the save in 24 hours
Paddy says:
hahha
Paddy says:
I am trying to get hold of snoop
ormuzd says:
if euphorica's turn will be skipped three times in a row I'll put a question to emove them completely (admin to retire their civ)
Paddy says:
if he is not going to -play, then the admins can just skip it now
Paddy says:
ok Ormuzd
ormuzd says:
with one city left they can't slow the game that much
Paddy says:
I heard a rumour that he has quit
ormuzd says:
who? snoopy?
Paddy says:
yes - only a rumour ok
ormuzd says:
all in this chat stays private
Paddy says:
thus why I here waiting on him logging on
Paddy says:
yes mate
ormuzd says:
and what about Mcmeadows?
ormuzd says:
the other members?
Paddy says:
he is on holidays for 7 days in spain
ormuzd says:
there were many people posting in the forum while they were attacking DR
ormuzd says:
I did not know this
ormuzd says:
I have not seen his post in te admin thread probably
Paddy says:
snoop is the only one here now
ormuzd says:
so, the red theatre is empty again
Paddy says:
yes
Paddy says:
sad
Paddy says:
ok, we have been holding a force ready to help in babylon
ormuzd says:
maybe you should move when you feel it is safe for you
Paddy says:
would it help if we attempted to:
a. knock out babs horse
b. cut roads to LBoys
Paddy says:
yes indeed
ormuzd says:
to attack spears and bowmen instead of pikes and knights
ormuzd says:
cutting road would be the best
ormuzd says:
and launch attack from a second side
Krill says:
Cutting roads, and swinging in from the east to take Kurra would be great
ormuzd says:
but don't leave unrpotected towns
ormuzd says:
I don't trust neither of DR and LB
ormuzd says:
and the things are developing in the direction to 2 vs 2
ormuzd says:
2 vs 3, sorry
Paddy says:
we will raze all
ormuzd says:
we can't allow this to happen
ormuzd says:
raze it
ormuzd says:
as you wish
Paddy says:
You both know my personal policy on that matter
ormuzd says:
the point is to put babylon into the oblivion
Krill says:
Raze away
ormuzd says:
and help E_T concentrate in the ISDG
Krill says:
I would love to kick them in the teeth
Paddy says:
all part of the service
ormuzd says:
Paddy says:
so would we mate
Paddy says:
may I share this chat with the Horde?
Krill says:
sure.
Krill says:
BUt one thing for the record
Paddy says:
do tell
Krill says:
When we sit on the ruins that were once babylon...
Krill says:
I prefer Whiskey instead of blood
Paddy says:
Indeed mate - us as well
Paddy says:
We Mongols - not Klingons
ormuzd says:
a little bit of history
Paddy says:
Well we mainly Nords - Vikings and Celts But that be a quirk of life
Bet you never knew the true leaders of Ghengis Khans Kingdoms were Vikings and Celt Mercenaries
Paddy says:
hehe
ormuzd says:
Khan Krum defeated Nikifor's army and made a pot of byzantian emperor's head (with silver, etc.) but he drunk wine, not a blood
Paddy says:
Sorry Orm, twisting History to my own issues like that
ormuzd says:
no, problems
ormuzd says:
this is a game
Paddy says:
Khan Krum... Mighty stuff that
ormuzd says:
what I fire in the forums about the Horde is just for the game, nothing personal
ormuzd says:
and I'm trying to avoid personal insults
ormuzd says:
not like moonbars or ... some other people
Paddy says:
thanks mate
Paddy says:
The Horde understands
Paddy says:
The Horde is very proud and happy of the relationship our two nations share
Krill says:
uh, what is McMs addy?
Krill says:
sent to snoop and the admins, but I can't recall McMs right now
Paddy says:
paul.van.der.weide@hccnet.nl
Paddy says:
that is the one I use
Paddy says:
I know he has another
Krill says:
sent on
Krill says:
Paddy, our aim is to equal you in mil strength by the end of the GA
Krill says:
want to place a bet on if we can do it?
Paddy says:
good aim
Paddy says:
I bet you can
Paddy says:
I have seen you both in action, as a team here, and seperately
so I sure of your resolve
Paddy says:
Understand, that once my team read this, they too may just take up this challenge haha
Paddy says:
how much longer is your GA
Krill says:
Just checking now
Krill says:
11 or 12 turns.
Paddy says:
ahhh good
Paddy says:
messy but good
Paddy says:
Horde - AM Arms Race begins in the year 925bc....
Paddy says:
haha
ormuzd says:
Krill says:
When you get your GA though you get a real boost
ormuzd says:
if our alliance stays hidden after this I quit the ISDG team
Paddy says:
hahaha
ormuzd says:
Apolyton - the most clever, tricky and skillful players all over the world
Krill says:
beating the hsit out of each other
ormuzd says:
(90%% of those "great" players in the team of Babylon)
Paddy says:
Our GA will upset Aqua have no doubt about that
Paddy says:
Yes Team Babylon is a most sad sad sign
Krill says:
ET is not that good an MMer.
Paddy says:
I know
Krill says:
I always wondered why people thought he was.
Paddy says:
Because he does the spreadsheets
Paddy says:
massive hours invested
Krill says:
Can't he just use his head?
Paddy says:
he puts in time and effort others cannot come close to
Paddy says:
dazzle them with Excel
Paddy says:
and those spreadsheet are great
Paddy says:
trend analysis can really help
ormuzd says:
he had nothing automated when he presented the spreads to the team
Paddy says:
and in doing all that MM record keeping etc, he has learnt more on MM than most will ever hear about
ormuzd says:
he had to do a lot of hand work to enter the same data twice
Paddy says:
hey, I not saying he does good work, but he does the work
Paddy says:
yes mate
ormuzd says:
this is one of the reasons he needs so much time
ormuzd says:
yes, he does, hands down
Paddy says:
yes
ormuzd says:
but every time krill comes with a new idea and it gets accepted
Paddy says:
and why he had a breakdown last year - blaming Poly and members for ruining his life etc
Krill says:
Must annoy him a bit
Krill says:
that was in respose to Orm
Paddy says:
yeah
Paddy says:
E_T and his flaming is a reason some of us are not there much
ormuzd says:
I have missed this
ormuzd says:
as general I'm promising people's arrogance and blaming me for their faults
Paddy says:
ok DR and LB units
ormuzd says:
I think we are average to both of them
Paddy says:
can we get some screen shots of that Border region please
Paddy says:
good
ormuzd says:
yes
ormuzd says:
I may do one when I get home
Krill says:
Average to DR
ormuzd says:
I thought you have a full picture of the world
Paddy says:
No
Paddy says:
and have not had units there recently
Krill says:
yes, average to both
Krill says:
lopoks like he upgraded some warriors
Krill says:
he = LN
Paddy says:
I have a scout on the mountains south of Volcanoes
ormuzd says:
we did not have recently either
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
LN is preparing for war indeed
ormuzd says:
our warrior scouting there was destroyed when we launched our attack towards babbylon
Paddy says:
ok
ormuzd says:
going to meet the boss to report him a little bit
Paddy says:
well anything you have would be great
ormuzd says:
I might be absent for some period
Paddy says:
cheers mate
Krill says:
If you and your team permits it, we can swap world maps.
Krill says:
Crtl-Shift-M, Crtl-Z
Paddy says:
yes I would like that
Paddy says:
yes
ormuzd says:
like the maps we have sent to CBR?
ormuzd says:
only the units turned off?
Paddy says:
for General Ruby, I would like some more deatiled sreenshots
Paddy says:
roads my main issue etc
Krill says:
yes, hide only units, clutters the maps for the zoomed out maps.
Paddy says:
yes
Paddy says:
Thank you Krill for the world map
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