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Anyone know what this is supposed to be about?
I assumed that its something important because its on C-SPAN but it seems like a bunch of black guys patting each other on the back as the audience applauds mindlessly at certain points.
edit: the banner behind them calls it "State of the Black Union 2005"
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:22
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It will probably just be alot of statistics about gains and losses among American blacks.
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Wycoff
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Blame the Whitey day!
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Pyrodrew
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...k_america101_xm
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Bishop Harry Jackson and Rev. Jesse Jackson to Appear on Tavis Smiley Panel in Atlanta to Discuss Future of Black America
Sat Feb 26, 8:02 AM ET
To: Assignment Desk, Daybook Editor
Contact: Mike Paul, 212-595-8500, Derek McCoy of the High Impact Leadership Coalition, 204-417-7708
-- Bishop Harry Jackson and Rev. Jesse Jackson (news - web sites) to Both Appear on Tavis Smiley Panel in Atlanta this Sat. 2/26 to Discuss the Future of Black America in 2005
-- Leading Conservative Black Christian Leader Goes Head-to- Head with Top Liberal Black Leader and Others
-- (The Only Thing These Two Have in Common is a Last Name!)
WHO: Bishop Harry Jackson, the conservative chairman of the High Impact Leadership Coalition and drafter of the Black Contract with America on Moral Values, goes head-to-head with Rev. Jesse Jackson and other leading black liberal leaders from across America this Saturday.
WHAT: Tavis Smiley's Sixth Annual State of the Black Union, http://www.tavistalks.com
WHEN: Saturday, February 26th, 2:45 pm (eastern time)
WHERE: New Birth Missionary Baptist Church, 6400 Woodrow Rd., Lithonia, Georgia (near Atlanta), http://www.newbirth.org
WHY: The Black community is not a monolith and both conservative and liberal leaders will go head-to-head to try to define the new direction for the Black community in 2005.
Do black leaders in America agree on moral values and solutions for the social ills in America?
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MEDIA NOTE:
Tavis Smiley's 2005 State of the Black Union symposium will also be airing LIVE this Saturday, 2/26 starting at 11 am ET on C-SPAN.
For more info on Bishop Harry Jackson's High Impact Leadership Coalition and to sign up to become on of the Moral Million who back the Black Contract with America on Moral Values, visit http://www.himpactus.com.
For general info on Bishop Harry Jackson, go to http://www.thehopeconnection.org. Bishop Harry Jackson and George Barna are also co-authors of a recent book called High Impact African American Churches. Bishop Jackson will also be releasing a new book called The Black Contract with America on Moral Values in April of 2005.
Bishop Harry Jackson, a national, black, conservative, Christian leader, was also a strong and vocal supporter of the re-election of President George W. Bush (news - web sites). Bishop Jackson is also a frequent guest commentator in the news regarding moral value issues in America and has appeared on The O'Reilly Factor on Fox News, CBS Nightly News, NPR and many other national TV, radio and print news outlets.
http://www.usnewswire.com/ |
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Wycoff
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I just watched Farakhan give a speech there
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Pax
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quote:
Originally posted by booger
farakhan is a racist cocksmoker. |
Can you support your position with examples or qoutes by him that support him being racist, a cocksmoker or both?
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Pax
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quote:
Originally posted by DinoDoc
Narrow-minded, common Jews…The Jews cannot defeat me so I will grind them and crush them into little bits. - Louis Farrakhan, Flushing New York, May 21, 1998
Murder and lying comes easy for white people… -Louis Farrakhan, Saviour's Day, February 27, 1994 |
From the evidence you present, the first statement is not racist, IMHO. The second does sound racist, unless he can support his claim somehow. From what I've read of Farrakhan, he would point to broken treaties, slavery, and lynchings to support his views.
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Wycoff
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Some highlights from the Nation of Islam site:
"10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited."
"5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead--not in physical resurrection--but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first.
Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God's choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more that the so-called Negroes in America."
"7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master's slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people's names--the black people of the Earth."
"9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their "friends." Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.
If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves.
We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well"
http://www.noi.org/program.html
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Wycoff
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quote:
Originally posted by Pax
True, Farrakhan has opinions of whites. These opinions are formed through his life experiences that apparently tells him he can't trust jews, whites are liars, and killers and etc. How are his views different from the typical jewish posters views on the palestinians. Check some of there posts. Check the posts of some americans on arabs/muslims. I would not call them racist cocksmokers. I would say that the problem is a failure of both sides to understand eachother. |
By your definition no one is racist.
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Wycoff
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quote:
Originally posted by Spiffor
My, what a horrible load of crap. Looks like mystics without a clue. |
It's black Islamic Fascism.
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Pax
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Consider this,
#10. The Nation of Islam was formed in a time of segregation. Blacks were subject to all sorts of racist acts. For example, a black man could get lynched for sleeping with a white woman. A the time the NOI first came up with this belief it was a matter of self-preservation that blacks did not mix with whites. Your disgust is misdirected.
#5. Once again, for the times. The idea that blacks should be resurrected from their situation of persecution is about as crazy as the jews believing they are the chosen people and that the Pharaoh should let Mose's people go.
#7 Look at the times. The key thing to understand is that blacks in america have no identity past the slaveship. Every nation on earth recognizes the need for a national identity and history. Knowledge of who you are and where you come from. African-Americans whole heritage and languages was taken. There is no way to repair it or "go back to africa" This whole idea is about establishing pride and dignity into the black race.
#9 Many blacks believe that integration will only cause blacks to lose what little sense of history they have left and eventually the whole african american subculture will disappear. Many blacks also believe that even when society claims to be integrated, racism will still exist just as strong but harder combat. An example of a so-called integrated society would be Brazil or several of countries where the groups closest white are the most priviledged(india)
All this being said CONSIDER THIS
Farrakhan has stated that Blacks need to stop waiting for handouts from the government, get educated, get jobs, stop having premarital sex, raise your children, get married, start businesses, vote, be productive members of society, don't do drugs, pray to god and help others to do the same. These are his main points. Do you disagree with them or do you think that we should ignore everything he says because he is a racist cocksmoker?
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Wycoff
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quote:
Originally posted by Pax
Farrakhan has stated that Blacks need to stop waiting for handouts from the government, get educated, get jobs, stop having premarital sex, raise your children, get married, start businesses, vote, be productive members of society, don't do drugs, pray to god and help others to do the same. These are his main points. Do you disagree with them or do you think that we should ignore everything he says because he is a racist cocksmoker? |
Those are practical, laudable goals, and goals that can be divorced from racism. The thing that I dislike about Farrakhan is his idea (certainly implied, but explicit at times) that its the White Devil that's holding the blacks back and preventing them from doing all of these things. Its a built in excuse for failure. The key to success for blacks is to stop blaming everything on Whitey and take responsibility for themselves. Cosby said this this summer and was immediately chastised by black leadership. Whites need to be vigiliant against our own old predjudices, but IMO, black leadership needs to realize that being militant and blaming the whites for failures is counterproductive; it makes white people more defensive and less sympathetic.
Another thing that I don't understand is why the black establishment doesn't accept the great success of conservative blacks. 60 years ago, who would have believed that we'd have a black Sec. of State succeeded by a black woman Sec. of State? Despite the impressive success of people like Condi Rice and Colin Powell, they are ostracized as house Negros, Uncle Toms, etc. I think that's foolish.
"racist cocksmoker" wasn't my term. I stand by racist, but "cocksmoker" is almost certainly wrong. Farrakhan had 9 children.
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Pax
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Wycoff,
Farrakhan stated years prior that Blacks need to stop blaming whites for their problems. Part of the NOI goals are self-determination. Farakhan is also one of the Black leaders that stood up for Cosby when he made those statements.
There are several issues going on simultaneously here. Let's seperate them.
1. Whether or not Farakhan is racist.
2. Responsibility for the situation in Black America.
3. Farakhan's goal for blacks.
Issue one is only important in relation to racist acts you can attribute Farakhan. I do not have knowledge of any crimes or acts of discrimination that Farakhan had been guilty of.
Issue two is simply laying the blame for poverty in black america squarely on the U.S. government shoulders. I don't he how the telling the truth can an excuse for failure.
Issue three is the most important. Farakhan does not give poor blacks a free pass to sit in the projects, get high and make babies while waiting for reparations from the government. He promotes self-determination.
My own POV is that the U.S. is moving in the right direction but without groups like the NOI and Black Panthers the U.S. would not have moved so quickly towards equality. The birth of militant groups willing to go to various levels of civil disobedience forced the government and american society to change.
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26-02-2005 23:46
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Good explanation.
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