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Chemical Ollie is offline Chemical Ollie
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4320111.stm

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US troops fire at freed hostage

Freed Italian hostage Giuliana Sgrena has been hurt by US troops firing at a car taking her to Baghdad airport soon after her release.
An Italian secret service agent was killed in the shooting at a checkpoint.

Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi summoned the US ambassador demanding an explanation for what he called "such a serious incident".

The US military in Baghdad confirmed that forces shot at a vehicle and said an investigation had been launched.

"Coalition forces assigned to the Multinational Force-Iraq fired on a vehicle that was approaching a coalition checkpoint in Baghdad at a high rate of speed," it said in a statement.

"The recently freed Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena was an occupant in the vehicle and was apparently injured," it went on, adding that details were still unclear.

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* Combat Ingrid resists the temptation to make a joke about Italian drivers

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Of course Bush didn't want Italy to get away with freeing a hostage, so he ordered an abush. It was just sheer unluck that the attack helicopters wa sent in the opposite direction and that the howitzers malfunctioned, otherwise the car would have been totally destroyed instead of what some guardians at a checkpoint was able to accomplish.

Yes, for certain, Bush is incompetent, even an ambush on friendly forces he can mess up.

edit: damn spelliggn

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The car ignored our signals to stop and tried to crash through the checkpoint! How we were suppose to know they were friendlies when they were acting like hostiles?

Nice try, but you can't blame Bush for this one. The soldiers were following SOP.

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Why have checkpoints in a democracy enjoying full freedom?

SOP is a really bad excuse for any mistake, SOP would have killed Saddam and left no traces if they were fully followed in 2003, prolonging the worst part of the war by months or years.

Throw a grenade down the hole, and all problems will be gone. The grenade will never destroy any private property, it will never kill any innocent children, and that red pulp sticking to the spiderhole wall will be checked out by a DNA test and identified as a part of Saddam's ass. Yeah right... F*CK SOP

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Cute troll.

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quote:
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Why have checkpoints in a democracy enjoying full freedom?


BS.

Chemical Ollie is offline Chemical Ollie
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BS.


I know it's BS, that why I say it

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You go get them Ollie!!

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I know it's BS, that why I say it


Can't figure out if you mean that it's your statement that is BS or if it is the content - please enlighten.

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You go get them Ollie!!


That's why I joined the OT in the first place. But it sems I am never allowed to leave. They keep feeding me with all this BS

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Can't figure out if you mean that it's your statement that is BS or if it is the content - please enlighten.


Their statement is BS, my statement is sarcasm

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Nice to know that there are some sanity left in you - only problem is that some people can say the same and be sincere, and maybe you could have been under some bad influence and lost your mind - it has happend before.

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Why have checkpoints in a democracy enjoying full freedom?


...

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Apparantly, Berlusconi (the prime minister of Italy*) is not happy.


* Don't you hate when they do that on the news?? If you don't know this, then chances are, you don't watch CNN or BBC world, right?

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trigger happy US troops - what else is new?

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AH trolling - what else is new?




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U.S. forces shoot just-freed Italian hostage, kill negotiator
Last Updated Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:10:20 EST
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ROME - Joy turned to horror in Italy on Friday when an Italian journalist who had been held hostage in Iraq was released, only to be shot by U.S. military forces at a checkpoint in Baghdad.


Journalist Giuliana Sgrena underwent shoulder surgery in Baghdad Friday.
Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena suffered a shrapnel wound to her shoulder when an American armoured car fired on her vehicle, while an Italian intelligence officer who had negotiated her release was killed.

Sgrena's editor said the dead agent, Nicola Calipari, had thrown his body over Sgrena's in order to protect her.

Two other intelligence agents in the car were also injured.

Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister, has asked the American ambassador to explain the incident.

"It's a shame that the joy we all felt was turned into tragedy," he said Friday evening.

In Washington, the Pentagon confirmed that a shooting occurred as the Italian woman was being brought to an American base near Baghdad's airport.

"At approximately 8:55 p.m. tonight, coalition forces assigned to the multinational force in Iraq fired on a vehicle that was approaching a coalition checkpoint in Baghdad at a high rate of speed," the military said in a statement.

The Italians' car made no move to slow down despite signals and warning shots, so U.S. forces fired into its engine block, the statement said.

White House press spokesman Scott McClellan said coalition forces will co-operate with Italian authorities during an investigation into the incident.

"We regret the loss of life," he said from Washington. "Our thoughts and prayers are with the family of the Italian citizen."

Sgrena, a 56-year-old reporter for the communist daily newspaper Il Manifesto, had been held captive in Iraq since Feb. 4.

Thousands of demonstrators marched through downtown Rome last month demanding that Italy pull its troops out of Iraq, after a video was released of a tearful Sgrena warning that she would be killed if the country didn't withdraw.

Shortly after the video was released, the Italian senate voted to extend the country's 3,000-troop mission in Iraq to June.

The ANSA news agency said Foreign Minister Gianfranco Fini expressed "great joy and enormous satisfaction" early Friday about the reporter's release.

She was at least the eighth Italian citizen seized in Iraq in recent months. Last September, two female Italian journalists were released unharmed by their unknown abductors after about three weeks.

At the time, the government denied allegations that it paid a $1-million US ransom for their release.

Several other Italian hostages have been killed by their captors.

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we already have a thread on this- with a poor title.

This goes to show you. Name your thread better

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She was a Commie - of course they shot her !

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No body knows what happened until both sides complete their investigation. Please, don't let that stop anyone from *****ing and pointing fingers though.

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Would a car going on a suicide bombing run have 4 people in it? That's a bit of a waste, isn't it?

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UR, can you transfer the other post's here?

edit: thank you

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Okay, I have merged the two threads. Now the posts are in chronological order - so it's a bit wacky.

P.S. I have also deleted a couple of (now) irrelevant posts from the other thread.

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US troops are notorious for shooting without looking properly.

Everyone knows this except Americans. Why wait for a study when I've personally spoken to veterans of other countries who participated in America's last four wars before this one, and they've all said the same thing.

None of them are lefty commies either.

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I'm going to take the US military's story with a pinch of salt ("a high rate of speed"), since they're always ready with a load of half-truths and propaganda - remember Jessica Lynch?

Just to be fair, I'll wait to see if the Italian spy who was killed really did shield the reporter with his body - that could be propaganda as well.

Incidently, if this had been an Iraqi that was killed, the gung-ho types on this forum would probably be suggesting he get a Darwin award.

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Would a car going on a suicide bombing run have 4 people in it? That's a bit of a waste, isn't it?


It happened at night -- how well can you see into an oncoming vehicle at night?

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