30-04-2005 18:31									#31
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my reply

quote: Lord Nosferatu My apologies on the confusion. It was not intended. We completed a deal with another civ, and when they sent their end of the bargain 'accpeted', they had included Philosophy, which was not part of the deal. We would not break a deal with you that we had committed to . Thanks for your understanding, and for extending the deal through to Code of Laws. Lets make sure we stay in touch. Beta.

	03-05-2005 07:24									#32
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to 1889 (Lord Nosferatu)...

quote: Greetings Lord N. Lots of rumours flying around, including one about you and DR allying against Euphorica, and us(Babylon) and A-M allying against the Horde. Our team is in diplomatic flux right now. We are glad you are our neighbours. Can we discuss the situation? Thank you. Beta of Babylon.

	04-05-2005 16:21									#33
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A second message to 1889 ...

quote: Greetings again from Babylon. Lord N/1889. Can you please get back to me on the diplomacy side; better yet - do you have 30 minutes for a quick MSN chat? The world of politics is swirling, and we are looking for some stability. We are also concerned for Ankh Morpork, and the agression being inflicted on them by BOH. And, we are aware of the tensions between Desolation Row and Euphorica. In fact, we have been pressured pretty heavily to get involved on Euphorica's side. I am just not sure what it gains us. So, if possible, can we please speak frankly, for the benefit of both our teams. We also have math and map making to add to our table of deals. I am Ok with future dealing, and with the way that last deal panned out, I do feel we owe you. Please get in touch. Thanks. Beta.

	04-05-2005 16:22									#34
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and his reply. Very interesting... and I suspect sincere knowing 1889.

quote: I'm totally out of the loop. I know almost nothing of the world outside Transylvania. The only contact I have had are a few trade deals. I am not yet ready to commit my allegiance to anybody.

	09-05-2005 05:57									#35
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quote: I offer Code of Laws. Will you send Polytheism? -Lost Boy

	09-05-2005 07:20									#36
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Um. Yes.

	09-05-2005 07:21									#37
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And my response...

quote: Most definitely.

	11-05-2005 00:05									#38
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He sent CoL, but... he already has poly. ???

	11-05-2005 03:22									#39
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Are you sure we did not send it earlier? I am assuming you are.

I will ask.

Sent via e-mail...

quote: Greetings Lord N. Thank you for the offer of CoL, but when Kloreep tried to send Poly, it would appear you already have it. I am not clear as to whether we sent it earlier, or whether you got it from another civ. Le me know what's up. Thanks... and cheers. Beta.

	11-05-2005 03:34									#40
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Whoops, should have clarified on that point. I sent it accepted before when we were thinking it was just going to end up poly for 2 gpt. He could have accepted, he could have cancelled; I assumed at the time he had cancelled, but I would now guess he accepted.

	12-05-2005 06:43									#41
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Ok - and now 1889 has proposed...

quote: How about Law and 36 gold for Maps?

I think we could live with this. Keeps us on a friendly footing with the Boys, and sort of acknowledges our earlier mishap with the Euphorica trade and Philo.

	12-05-2005 08:48									#42
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Did we ever receive the 2 gpt, though? I don't believe we did.

Assuming he's willing to stick to the old poly deal that way, his proposal sounds fine to me.

	17-05-2005 16:00									#43
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To 1889...

quote: Greetings Lord Nosferatu. We accept your trade offer. My apologies that Kloreep and I sometimes get our wires crossed bewteen diplomacy and playing, especially with the game moving at the quick pace that it is. We have offered Math this turn. Trust all is well. Beta

	18-05-2005 02:18									#44
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So did we receive the 2 gpt, or did we not?

	18-05-2005 06:29									#45
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No - and we did not get CoL either.

quote: The game does move swiftly. Unfortunatly I already accepted Maps last turn while waiting for your response. Maybe next time. Lord Nosferatu

So - we have to give Kloreep the authority to make the deals he sees fit to make - as we may not get a turn to discuss it. This is particularly true with Lost Boys where 1889 is more or less playing it as a pbem.

Or - the Lost Boys are up to something. ????

	18-05-2005 06:33									#46
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My response...

quote: 1889 What's up? I appreciate we did not respond within the turn, but your response seems to indicate there is more to it. We have been trying to stay in touch and keep the tech trade flowing - but this doesn't help. Beta

	10-06-2005 07:14									#47
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Now they are interested in chatting ....

quote: Goddess Inanna, We have had a difficult time working out deals in the past, but those troubles were do to unfortunate circumstance. Our dealings have been models of sincere honesty and I hope those attitudes will characterize our deals long into the future. The Blood Oath Horde has just completed the Statue of Zeus. I can only wonder at the intentions of a nation that would build such a wonder while already so powerful. Transylvania is committed to peace and we would like to know if our neighbors feel the same. Lord Nosferatu,

	10-06-2005 23:19									#48
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(based on the thread above) I do think that LB should pay up for the previous trades. Babylon seeks to enlighten the world but only if we too get something out of it.

From what I read with the Euphorica and BOH threads, it seems like we can regard the Lost Boys as friendlies.

Once paid, we could then talk with TNA about letting LB be for now.

I don't know if there is room in the TNA, but if we can be assured that LB will stay out of the DR War, I say we allow LB to continue living a peaceful existance.

TNA is still a secret treaty right? So, that shouldn't be revealed yet.

We also need to know where LB stand with DR. We can't go indirectly trading with DR.

I would like to stay friendly with our quiet neighbors the Lost Boys, but this is up to them.

	12-06-2005 11:35									#49
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quote: Goddess Inanna, The more I learn of the politics of this violent world the more I see opportunities to help each other. Help, however, often requires planning and also communication. Communication it seems, is not your strong point. If this unresponsiveness is due only to short term business then I apologies for my rudeness and look forward to making plan. On the other hand, if you do not expect to have time to devote to a partnership then let us agree merely to live in peace while we seek partners elsewhere. Lord Nosferatu of Transylvania

I think we should try to improve relations with them. Just imagine if we could get a FNA. (Four Nations Alliance.) Or, alternatively, we could try to cultivate relations with them seperate from TNA, just in case the other parts of the Three Nations Alliance decide to make it the Two Nations Alliance.

	12-06-2005 17:31									#50
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OK - will send something later today.

	13-06-2005 07:53									#51
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I too think we should develop our relationship with the Lost Boys. But, wasn't it the Lost Boys that went missing?

	13-06-2005 08:10									#52
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my response...

quote: Greetings Lord Nosferatu. Sincere apologies from Babylon. Gamecube has been lost in the mountains somewhere, and I have been busy with my prayers and studies. I know it is not much of an excuse, but I hope you understand. To start with - a statement of intent. You are our neighbours. We respect and honour you, despite your taste for human blood. We are able to establis a border without much difficulty, and in general find The Lost Boys view of the world to be consistent with Goddess and Queen Inanna of Babylon. In other words, we would like to be friends. We have recently completed Monarchy, and would like to trade it for Code of Laws and 30 gold. Monarchy is much more expensive, I appreciate that, but I am trying to make amends for our last efforts at trading. Our only request is that you do not trade it, in order that Babylon may have a chance to recoup its scientific investement in such a novel form of government. I am available to discuss as required, and will ensure that our replies are timely. Greetings from Babylon ......Beta.

	13-06-2005 08:13									#53
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Looks good.

	13-06-2005 09:33									#54
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That's quite a discount on Monarchy, but we can take the loss so long as they agree not to trade it.

	13-06-2005 09:48									#55
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quote: Glad to here from you. Law and 30 gold are on the way. I will be sure to share the secrets of Monarchy with no one. I am satisfied with my border in the West. I will soon have spare wines, hopefully you have something as well. A road can be established in very short order. Lord Nosferatu

	13-06-2005 12:04									#56
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Nice. Better than nice.

	13-06-2005 16:56									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep That's quite a discount on Monarchy, but we can take the loss so long as they agree not to trade it.

I was also thinking of the investment in the relationship.

	13-06-2005 18:28									#58
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Peace with the Lost Boys is a good thing. They are rumored to be friendly with our enemy DR. I am sure the TNA will be in the open soon. We don't need DR and LB acting against us.

What do you think of the road? I like it, if it is mutually built and defended. A trading partner in the LB is a good thing.

Praise be Inanna!

	15-06-2005 14:11									#59
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Road would be nice, trade also nice.

Praise be Inanna!

	17-06-2005 20:59									#60
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We need to build this relationship so that LB does not feel threatened by us when we end up with Aquarius(DR) to their East.

We also need to act soon because I see that (public forum) some old team members want back in on 1889's game.

I need to see what happened with that...