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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...d_farm_programs

quote:
ongress May Cut Food Aid, Not Farm Aid

40 minutes ago

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By LIBBY QUAID, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Cuts in food programs for the poor are getting support in Congress as an alternative to President Bush (news - web sites)'s idea of slicing billions of dollars from the payments that go to large farm operations.



Senior Republicans in both the House and Senate are open to small reductions in farm subsidies, but they adamantly oppose the deep cuts sought by Bush to hold down future federal deficits.

The president wants to lower the maximum subsidies that can be collected each year by any one farm operation from $360,000 to $250,000. He also asked Congress to cut by 5 percent all farm payments, and he wants to close loopholes that enable some growers to annually collect millions of dollars in subsidies.

Instead, Republican committee chairmen are looking to carve savings from nutrition and land conservation programs that are also run by the Agriculture Department. The government is projected to spend $52 billion this year on nutrition programs like food stamps, school lunches and special aid to low-income pregnant women and children. Farm subsidies will total less than half that, $24 billion.

Senate Agriculture Committee Chairman Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., said the $36 billion food stamp program is a good place to look for savings.

"There's not the waste, fraud and abuse in food stamps that we used to see. ... That number is down to a little over 6 percent now," he said. "But there is a way, just by utilizing the president's numbers, that we can come up with a significant number there."

Bush is proposing to withdraw food stamps for certain families already receiving other government assistance. The administration estimates that plan would remove more than 300,000 people from the rolls and save $113 million annually.

Chambliss said minimal changes in all three areas of agriculture spending — nutrition, farm supports and conservation — could save what's needed. "I want this to be as painless to every farmer in America as we can make it," he said.

House budget writers this week reduced Agriculture Department spending for 2006 by $5.3 billion. Their counterparts in the Senate cut it by $2.8 billion. Bush's proposals would cut farm spending by $8 billion as calculated by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (news - web sites).

The House and Senate plan to vote on initial versions of the budget next week.

Anti-hunger and environmental groups are worried.

"Particularly in the House, the members are talking about taking all or most of it from nutrition," said Jim Weill, president of the Washington-based Food Research and Action Center. "There isn't a way to do it that doesn't hurt, because the program's very lean and doesn't give people enough anyhow. The benefits are less than people need. The program's not reaching even three-fifths of the people who are eligible. And the abuse rate is very low and is going down further."

Eric Bost, the Agriculture Department's undersecretary for food, nutrition and consumer programs, told a House appropriations panel this week the programs are so efficient now it would be difficult to save money by targeting waste and fraud.

Rep. Jerry Moran (news, bio, voting record), R-Kan., said food stamps are vital to many Americans, "but like all government programs, there are ways to save money."

Chambliss and other Republicans say they are open to modest cuts in farm programs, such as a small across-the-board cut in all payments to growers. While budget writers and lawmakers from farm states oppose the deep cuts Bush wants, they still are very much on the table.

Before finalizing its budget plan, the Senate Budget Committee approved language saying Congress should follow Bush's plan for cutting the maximum payments any one farmer can receive. That would hurt cotton and rice growers in the South and California much more than wheat, soybean and corn growers in the farm belt.

"This amendment just makes sense," said Sen. Charles Grassley (news, bio, voting record), R-Iowa, who sponsored the measure with Sen. Kent Conrad (news, bio, voting record), D-N.D. "Any reduction in farm spending should be achieved by better targeting farm program payments to small- and medium-sized farmers."



According to Agriculture Department estimates, 78 percent of subsidies go to 8 percent of producers.

There is wide support for a cap on subsidies. Both the House and Senate voted in favor of a strict $275,000 cap when lawmakers debated the 2002 farm bill. In an election-year compromise, House and Senate negotiators raised the ceiling to $360,000 and left loopholes intact.

"If you took a vote tomorrow, you'd have overwhelming support for the payment limit proposal," said Scott Faber, spokesman for the group Environmental Defense. "The overwhelming majority of farmers get less than $250,000 a year."

But the chairmen of the Senate and House agriculture committee are both southerners, as is the chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, where the actual spending decisions will be made. The appropriations chairman in the House is a Californian.


Yes, lets make it harder for the poor to get food, so we can make sure vast corporate farms continue to get their handouts

I worked witha lot of people trying to get foodstamps. In NYC over 500,000 people elligible did not get food stamps- highly efficient program in NY, efficient at keeping people who qualify off the rolls.

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Sons of *****es... cut the freaking farm subsidies already!

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Here I was, all ready to start a thread titled "Let them eat... their own poo" which is the basic sentiment these congressmen seem to be showing us. Instead of, oh I don't know, combatting abuse of the system, let's just cut funding and make the pot smaller for everyone.

F*cking hate what's happened to my country.

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Food stamps are not without their side effects though. Some food stamp recipients become overweight because food stamps can only be used to buy food, which becomes a primary form of entertainment.

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Food stamps are not without their side effects though. Some food stamp recipients become overweight because food stamps can only be used to buy food, which becomes a primary form of entertainment.


What are you talking about?

If food stamp recipients get fat is because in general poor people (this would include food stamp recipients) buy high calorie, low nitrient foods- vegetables and fruits are not a huge part of the diet of poor Americans-processed foods are.

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a new levele of absurdity

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American capitalism at work


Yeah in communism they just march 20 million to die in forced labor camps.

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Labour in the Soviet Union is a matter of honour, glory, pride, and heroism!


Yeah you get two pieces of bread each week, and you must serve in -20F conditions.. some glory there... maybe you should try that some time.

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Silly Fez, The glory comes from the fact that these people are serving the revolution and the people


Serving the people? How is that? People were starving.

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Why, I always advance the revolution and the people. But of course, you already knew this Fez


No I fight for the people because my system actually feeds them. The poor must be encouraged to find work. Food stamps are making people lazy. I know the people and it is the business that fights for the people. Not some crazy leftist reactionary as yourself.

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This kinda sh1t is just unfreakin believable.

I mean I never would have imagined crap like this would go on in a million years, but the little guy CONTINUES to get beat down.

****ing horrible, immoral, outright dispicable.

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Your system indeed feeds all the people!
Oh wait a minute....


Some may not get their food stamps (but those already have government assistance). At any rate, our system is better at putting food on the table.

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But at least those corperate farms are getting their money


I'm siding with Bush on this one. He wants to cut subsidies to farms.. so are you siding with Bush?

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So, lets review: The AMERICAN priority is giving money to the greedy, and if you have to take away food from the poor...so be it!

I suppose that makes you, oh, the bad guys


You apparently did not read the article. But go ahead.. continue making a fool of yourself., That's your own doing.

Bad guys? Hey you are the bad guys, because your beliefs are delusional.

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I don't believe in farming subsidies. Businesses should be able to operate independently because it is more capitalist. But you out of all people, I thought you would be for this!

I believe in the opposite? You don't know what I believe in. I believe in economic and social freedom, you apparently only believe in the latter (I'll grant you that). If you are against economic freedom, you are for tyranny.

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Starving poor people and giving billions to Archer-Daniels-Midland is so typically Republican.

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Unlike you Fez, I actually think about things before I subscribe to a belief. US subsidies harm the international worker (who tend to be far far poorer than the US ) and in the end are simply an extension of the capitalist filth that is so prevelant in the US.


I'm saying I thought you would support subsidies because it means more government interference in the economy. Capitalist filth? Now you are just being stupid....

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Despite your rhetoric, I think your beliefs are widely known


Actually no they aren't.

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Economic freedm is relative. While you support "economic freedom" for the big capitalist, I support economic freedom for the common worker. That is where we differ - I support freedom for those who are stripped of it whereas you support freedom for those who have enforced the tyranny.


Wrong again. I support economic freedom for all, not misery distribution that you believe in. Yeah sure communism is equality, equality of misery that is... everybody gets a lot of misery equally. You do not support economic freedom in any sense of the word. I support economic freedom. You support tyranny.

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American capitalism at work


More like Republicans just taking care of people who give them money and screwing everyone else.

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If they were true rightwingers, they'd screw the poor and agribusiness.

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Kill kill kill kill kill the poor...

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Soylent Green is people.....

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Fez destroyed again...he really shouldn't engage in highbrow conversations that require intellect should he?

The attacks on the poor continue - I wonder how far Bush can push it...why don't people react or fight back? It's sad, very sad...

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I wonder how far Bush can push it...
Bush is the one supporting cutting farm subsidies, not food aid.

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Well him and his cronies...

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Given that Bush is for cutting farm subsidies (not food aid), just admit that you had not read the article and jumped to a conclusion based solely on your political biases. Try not to dig the hole further.

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Sorry PH but you got caught.

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No I read the article, but I hardly hear Bush denouncing it and trying to stop it in it's tracks. On the contrary, he is probably throwing his rattle out of his pram that he never thought of it himself!

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Let's hope Bush takes his "compassionate conservatism" seriously. Even I'm not sure he's capable of this. Evil has its limits...

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If it was capitalism , it would be no handouts to anyone . Not the poor , nor the rich farmers .

But here I agree , this is wrong . They should have started with farmer subsidies . Then imports from other countries would have lowered the cost of food , thus serving both purposes .

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school lunches

About 66% of the Camden School District gets free or reduced lunches. (that is a very high number) School lunches let little poor kids eat. They ought to be expanded.

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PH, admit you got PWNED!

I'm not a fan of President Bush these days, but I definetly support the plan to have deep cuts in farm subsidies. About time. Don't let the freaking Congressmen stop that!

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PH, admit you got PWNED!


Not really, just DinoDoc on one of his usual trolls...I stated my point when asked for clarification

 
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