13-03-2005 01:48									#61
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara So you're just restating what Tass said.

As aneeshm said if it was real capitalism no one would be getting handouts.

	13-03-2005 01:51									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Bush is reminding me of Reagan in that he's calling for cuts he already knows do not have a snowball's chance in hell of passing just so he can say "well, I tried. Oh, well we'll just have to keep spending". This is all a game to pass the blame to someone else then at the end of the day they all just keep spending any way. It kind of reminds me of another game politicans play; the house passes a bill (which everyone really opposes but which is popular with voters) then the Senate passes a totally different bill on the same topic. The two bills are so different and so ammended you have to send it back to committee where, of course, it dies a quiet death. The result? The politicians get to say they support the legislation but get to make sure nothing is passed and the moneyed interests are protected.

This is why I am starting to think we need to move to a parlimentay system. The current system is so pluralistic that it lets powewrful special interests and multi-national corporations run the country.

	13-03-2005 02:12									#63
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Insanity.

	13-03-2005 03:01									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin As aneeshm said if it was real capitalism no one would be getting handouts.

Yes, but he's wrong. All capitalism is real capitalism.

	13-03-2005 03:12									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski I do For One say this poor family hs medicaid. lets take their food stamps away thast way the can go to the hospital for starvation. Or Lets say the recieve SSi lets take away thier food stamps so they can either decide to eat or live on the street for lack of cash to pay the rent.

But the aid Bush is proposing to cut is going to affect those already receiving assistance. Me thinks you can't read.

Unfortunately for you guys, the PWNage against the leftists (PH) still stands as Bush was proposing to cut farm subsidies.

	13-03-2005 03:56									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Gerty was right, apparently Imran and DD needed to read the whole article, especially the part my wife quoted, which I willl do again: quote: Bush is proposing to withdraw food stamps for certain families already receiving other government assistance. The administration estimates that plan would remove more than 300,000 people from the rolls and save $113 million annually. While the article may be wrong on that point,Seems PH i s owed an apology. Both of you PWNED by my wife! Go get 'em! ACK!

Come on f**kers, own up! Who's the daddy?

And Gian, don't come that with me...you've had your head ripped off and your neck sh*t down so many times it's unbelievable...

	13-03-2005 04:10									#67
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Provost wins ( though I could be spared the vivid image)

This puts the whole Fez "OMG OMG Someone is actually more pwned than me" in an even more ridiculous light.

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	13-03-2005 04:13									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo But the aid Bush is proposing to cut is going to affect those already receiving assistance. Me thinks you can't read.

And me thinks you dont understand. Sure cut the food stamps for those that are recieving aid You now just have starving people because they recieve medicaid which is goverment aid health insurance. . If you read my post I think i made my self clear.

	13-03-2005 04:16									#69
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Oh, before I forget...

Mrs Tuberski: High fives!

	13-03-2005 04:39									#71
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Democracy = The least worst from of government

Capitalism = The least worst economic model

American Capitalism = The worst least worst economic model

	13-03-2005 04:42									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Come on f**kers, own up! Who's the daddy?

Yeah... they are quiet.

Hee Hee

	13-03-2005 04:47									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Zulu Elephant Capitalism = The least worst economic model

No it's not! Market Socialism is!

LONG LIVE TEH CO-OP!!!

	13-03-2005 04:58									#74
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some ****ing *******s in this thread.. you never get a ****ing clue.

the worst economic model is you leftists idea of reality. I mean get a ****ing grip.

	13-03-2005 05:04									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo the worst economic model is you leftists idea of reality. I mean get a ****ing grip.

The Mondragon Basques have had a successful market-socialist economy for years, so we do have a conection with reality. You on the other hand refuse to back up your crap.

	13-03-2005 05:35									#76
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quote: You on the other hand refuse to back up your crap.

Why would you say such a thing about someone who's well structured replies include...

quote: some ****ing *******s in this thread.. you never get a ****ing clue. the worst economic model is you leftists idea of reality. I mean get a ****ing grip.

	13-03-2005 05:56									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo some ****ing *******s in this thread.. you never get a ****ing clue. the worst economic model is you leftists idea of reality. I mean get a ****ing grip.

You will never master the art of being able to argue rationally Fez...gain some insight, after all once upon a time you wanted all gays dead...perhaps you are also a closet socialist, no?

	13-03-2005 05:59									#78
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...the problem is Fez, there is no sport in rationalising with you or having a slight laugh/troll with you. It's like playing pool against someone who is colourblind...it's too easy, it's no fun, and it's rather unfair on you.

	13-03-2005 06:24									#79
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well as they say, arguing with a fanatic is like trying to give medicine to the dead.

	13-03-2005 06:41									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Dracon II well as they say, arguing with a fanatic is like trying to give medicine to the dead.

Or as others say its hard to get anyone to admit when they are wrong. I for one just hope that,that article was wrong.

	13-03-2005 06:46									#81
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I think subsidies as a whole are idiotic. Think about it. We pay taxes to a government who gives that money to farmers to produce expensive food, whereas we (the first world) could import that food from the third world, more cheaply. We save money, doubly so through saved taxes, and the third world becomes more prosperous, trade increases, global economy goes "yeah!".

So why do we pay the farmers? Perhaps it's their disproportionately loud voices, giving them popular political power. So a few thousand hicks get made unemployed. One of the beauties of the first world is that they can retrain and get other jobs, not starve to death like those in the third world.

Common sense or democracy?

Common sense > democracy.

	13-03-2005 06:54									#82
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What!!!!!!!!!!! Who, and I mean what country can grow enough crops of all kinds to support the american public?

	13-03-2005 07:00									#83
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quote: What!!!!!!!!!!! Who, and I mean what country can grow enough crops of all kinds to support the american public?

The United States, but we don't have to shut out less fortunate nations that may well gives us a better deal.

	13-03-2005 07:05									#84
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Thats the point. Why should we send the work acorss the world when it can be done here. I know to save a buck right. Wrong, you do this then poverty here goes up.

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quote: Wrong, you do this then poverty here goes up.

No, we just redirect all the farm subsidies to social programs. Besides, the way I understood it the largest recipients of farm subsidies were corporation farms that didn't need them anyways.

	13-03-2005 07:19									#86
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While this is true,the corperate farms, they do have american workers doing the hard labor. cut the coperate subsides and leave the personal farmers alone. You cant do that either the workers are american.

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quote: Thats the point. Why should we send the work acorss the world when it can be done here. I know to save a buck right. Wrong, you do this then poverty here goes up.

American farmers can retrain. It's not like they'll starve. Sure it'll cause hardships for some people, but nothing like the hardship suffered by + ten times that number in the third world. Financial inconvenience suffered by tens of thousands, or life/death struggle faced by hundreds of thousands? Tough one, especially considering that the humane option is also the cheaper one .

	13-03-2005 07:26									#88
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Well then you just have to get technical. How many American, legal, naturalized citizen workers will lose their jobs compared to how many people can be fed on an expansion of any nutrition program? Many Americans would probably lose their jobs but you always hear about machines or Mexicans doing our farm work.

	13-03-2005 07:29									#89
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and look at all the jobs that will be created in america if the 3rd world gets more money: a thousand times more then the number of farmers who would go bankrupt.

	13-03-2005 07:30									#90
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quote: Well then you just have to get technical. How many American, legal, naturalized citizen workers will lose their jobs compared to how many people can be fed on an expansion of any nutrition program? Many Americans would probably lose their jobs but you always hear about machines or Mexicans doing our farm work.

I don't think it's just a question of who can be fed as a result of outsourcing food production... trade would stimulate entire economies... but I'm no economist so I can only speculate on the extent of the difference it would make.