14-03-2005 08:15									#121
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You've never been, obviously.

No I havent and said that but that doesnt make it boring. I have been to alot of states and all have there differences. I cant judge them on what I have seen by just driving through.

	14-03-2005 08:24									#122
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Yes, actually you can judge a place by driving through it. It's very easy. You look out the window and you say, "My god, this is the most boring place I've ever driven through." This is not something you'd say driving through the Rocky Mountains or Kentucky. On the contrary, driving through either of those place would inspire you to write ballads about the shear beauty of the land. Now, there's a great deal of divserity in between, but North Dakota is definately on the bottom end of that scale. South Dakota would be, except that in the far weastern reaches, it actually has some terrain that does something besides being used to test levels.

	14-03-2005 08:25									#123
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You can't judge a place by seeing the land that exists 10 miles to the north and south of whatever freeway you happen to be driving on at the time.

	14-03-2005 08:43									#124
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yes, actually you can judge a place by driving through it. It's very easy. You look out the window and you say, "My god, this is the most boring place I've ever driven through." This is not something you'd say driving through the Rocky Mountains or Kentucky. On the contrary, driving through either of those place would inspire you to write ballads about the shear beauty of the land. Now, there's a great deal of divserity in between, but North Dakota is definately on the bottom end of that scale. South Dakota would be, except that in the far weastern reaches, it actually has some terrain that does something besides being used to test levels.

You are talking scenery, there is a lot more than scenery in the wrold.

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	14-03-2005 08:52									#125
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yes, actually you can judge a place by driving through it. It's very easy. You look out the window and you say, "My god, this is the most boring place I've ever driven through." This is not something you'd say driving through the Rocky Mountains or Kentucky. On the contrary, driving through either of those place would inspire you to write ballads about the shear beauty of the land. Now, there's a great deal of divserity in between, but North Dakota is definately on the bottom end of that scale. South Dakota would be, except that in the far weastern reaches, it actually has some terrain that does something besides being used to test levels.

The state would be nice if there was some prairie left to look at instead of wheat, wheat, wheat, soybeans, sugar beets, and more wheat.

	14-03-2005 08:55									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski You are talking scenery, there is a lot more than scenery in the wrold.

I was being kind by only considering their scenary. Do you really want to get into what there is to do in the Dakotas?

	14-03-2005 08:57									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Odin The state would be nice if there was some prairie left to look at instead of wheat, wheat, wheat, soybeans, sugar beets, and more wheat.

Its one of the states that farm country what do you expect, Macys and bloomingdles on every corner. But what do I know Im a dumb ass Texan.

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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Its one of the states that farm country what do you expect, Macys and bloomingdles on every corner. But what do I know Im a dumb ass Texan.

The Dakotas have street corners?

	14-03-2005 08:59									#129
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Id hope so either that or they drive in circles all day.

	14-03-2005 09:00									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker did you just pass through it?

You do realize it takes a day to "just pass through" the Dakotas.

	14-03-2005 09:04									#131
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Hell it takes a day and a sack lunch just to drive thru texas> the dakotas ahh that is a piece of cake.
I forgot the 18 pack of beer too.

	14-03-2005 12:47									#132
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Yes, the Dakotas are quite "boring."

See, if you live in Florida (I just pulled that state out of my hat, it wasn't a deliberate decision, nosiree), you have to deal with crocodiles/alligators, fire ants, multiple hurricanes, twisters, sharks, refugees, wet heat and so on. The Dakotas share two of those things — wet heat and twisters — and one thing Florida doesn't have: blizzards.

I, too, visited Florida for a week — went to Orlando and Disney World. Had a blast, enjoyed every day of my vacation and was glad to get back home. Nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. Unless, of course, I could bring my family along and land a healthy five- or six-figure job.

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	14-03-2005 13:36									#133
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One other thing to remember is that Food Stamps are a military program. They were started after WW2 because of the number of individuals unfit for the draft due to childhood malnutrition, and they wanted a bigger draft pool for the next war. Cut Food Stamps, threaten the military.

Even worse than cutting Food Stamps is cutting WIC - Women's - Infant - Child voucher program. Unlike foodstamps it is almost impossible to abuse, you get a voucher that specifies you for example can get milk or Orange Juice, plus Cheese with a max price. That's why so many US grocery stores have little labels with WIC on them in the dairy isle.

A doctor on WIC (she was fresh out of med school and had a child) discovered that the guidelines were decades old and promoted the old high-fat, high-carb diet. You often couldn't even get vegetables, or minimal amounts. She has been pushing changing the program.

The Bush administration has been advocating cutting/underfunding WIC now for years. I find it obscene when compared to all the subsidies pushed by Bush and the Republican controlled Congress. Let's not even discuss the value of the taxcuts, and who received them. It's so stupid - the value of nutrition during the prenatal through the childhood years is incontrovertible
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	15-03-2005 01:40									#134
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Has anyone here seen what you get out of wic??? for the woman who is pregnant it supplies what it can MILk eggs cheese peanut butter juice. for the mother that just delivered the same and formula and rice cereal for the baby unitl the child reaches 1 year old. Wic and food stamps should not be cut.

	15-03-2005 02:00									#135
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Food Stamps ARE a farm subsidy though. Just thought some of you might not realize that.

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quote: The Bush administration has been advocating cutting/underfunding WIC now for years. I find it obscene when compared to all the subsidies pushed by Bush and the Republican controlled Congress. Let's not even discuss the value of the taxcuts, and who received them. It's so stupid - the value of nutrition during the prenatal through the childhood years is incontrovertible

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	15-03-2005 02:07									#137
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Food stamps are distrubited by the ag dept of the gov. the have nothing really to do with the farms.
Shall I say its part of the ag budget.

	15-03-2005 02:10									#138
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I want to know this does the gov pay farmers not to grow crops? this is what i hear subsidies are for.

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Mrs. Tubes,

Food stamps indirectly fund food products. Farmers are also given direct subsidies.

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Mrs. Tubes, Food stamps indirectly fund food products. Farmers are also given direct subsidies.

I think when most people speak of farm subsidies, they mean DIRECT subsidies. By your reasoning, almost anything would be a farm subsidy because everyone buys food.

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I dont think anybody answered my question. Does the goverment pay farmers to not grow a crop. And just FYI I dont think the ag budget is the one that needs adjusting, If you want to know I think its the aid given to other countries that needs adjusting. For one why does the US always end up being the largest monetary support for all others.

	15-03-2005 02:52									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I think when most people speak of farm subsidies, they mean DIRECT subsidies. By your reasoning, almost anything would be a farm subsidy because everyone buys food.

Buying something isn't the same thing as subsidizing something.

	15-03-2005 02:54									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Does the goverment pay farmers to not grow a crop.

Yeah. It's a way to control oversupply.

	15-03-2005 02:55									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Buying something isn't the same thing as subsidizing something.

Exactly. Which is why buying food with food stamps isn't farm subsidation.

	15-03-2005 02:59									#145
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Yeah. It's a way to control oversupply.

thank you. Next question why cant the farmer just grow smaller amounts rather then be paid not to do it at all.

	15-03-2005 03:02									#146
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski thank you. Next question why cant the farmer just grow smaller amounts rather then be paid not to do it at all.

Because their price is determined by the market not how much they produce. The more they individually produce the more profit each one will make.

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quote: Originally posted by Sava Exactly. Which is why buying food with food stamps isn't farm subsidation.

Yes it is, because it's govt funded.

	15-03-2005 03:03									#148
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got a good solution stop the non taxing of farm vehicles. That is so abused anyway.

	15-03-2005 03:04									#149
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Yes it is, because it's govt funded.

so by your reasoning, Bush's tax cuts could be farm subsidies if people used them to buy food...

	15-03-2005 03:08									#150
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Ok hold up here the farm subs and the food stamps are in the same budget. One cut hurts both.