04-04-2005 00:31									#301
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So switching entails rerolling. Hmm, may as well start on PvP then.

	04-04-2005 01:27									#302
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Yeah...it really does look like the fun endgame is on the PvP servers. I'll probably start my next character on PvP. But for the early game you are in a location with only friendies and monsters, so ganking will not happen until you venture out into the unknown.

Asmodean

	04-04-2005 01:36									#303
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I am extremely pissed off.

I have a Level 12 Human Mage on Doomhammer, and was really enjoying the game. I was just playing, and got killed, and logged out of the game before I clicked the release spirit button. Now it won't let me log in again, saying that there is already a character with that name.

	04-04-2005 01:58									#304
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It should clear in a couple of minutes.

	04-04-2005 01:59									#305
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quote: Originally posted by Asmodean Yeah...it really does look like the fun endgame is on the PvP servers. I'll probably start my next character on PvP. But for the early game you are in a location with only friendies and monsters, so ganking will not happen until you venture out into the unknown. Asmodean

Thing is though, can you be assed to get a second char to 60 before you PvP?

	04-04-2005 02:03									#306
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Yesterday, I was in Ironforge when it was attacked by the Horde. It was really neat. There were attacks coming from everywhere, mounts and people running away, mass confusion, and guards running to the gate. I knew I couldn't do much, but I ran to the gate as well, along with the Level 60 players, and we PWNED the Horde.

	04-04-2005 02:38									#307
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Thing is though, can you be assed to get a second char to 60 before you PvP?

As long as the game is as fun as it is, then: yes!!!

Asmodean

	04-04-2005 02:41									#308
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quote: Originally posted by Asmodean As long as the game is as fun as it is, then: yes!!! Asmodean

Keep in mind that unless you play as the other faction (and this only counts for your second character) most of the quest you have to do will be eactly the same.

	04-04-2005 08:57									#309
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Most quests are pretty much the same anyway.

Bring me these items.

Kill X number of enemies.

	04-04-2005 09:12									#310
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quote: Originally posted by dudemanjack Most quests are pretty much the same anyway. Bring me these items. Kill X number of enemies.

In fact, I don't remember any quests that weren't like that.

	04-04-2005 09:32									#311
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That's why PvP or RP are the only two options for 90% of players - only ways the games remain fun. Some (like FFXI) have a bit of a plot, essentially a slightly cruddy SP game, or like Guild Wars, but ... at the end, almost everyone either plays PvP or RP. PvE just gets boring eventually...

	04-04-2005 09:45									#312
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But I think PvE is a good place to hone your skills.

	04-04-2005 09:54									#313
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear But I think PvE is a good place to hone your skills.

It's a good place to learn your skills, and to practice new ones learned. However, few MMORPGs have significant levels of new skills to learn after a few months of playing (well, after say 150-200 hours playing). PvE after that point is useful for gaining small amounts of gold and/or raw materials in some games ... and PvP skills usually vary quite dramatically from PvE, once you have the basics down. (In most games, not all.)

	04-04-2005 10:23									#314
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My characters on Nath...

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	04-04-2005 10:45									#315
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One of my beta characters....

quote: Most quests are pretty much the same anyway. Bring me these items. Kill X number of enemies.

Well, some people enjoy reading the stories that go with them...

	04-04-2005 16:50									#316
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Keep in mind that unless you play as the other faction (and this only counts for your second character) most of the quest you have to do will be eactly the same.

You're a hard man to satisfy, Ludd. Yeah...all quests are basically the same, but so far, I don't mind. This game provides atmosphere, in a big way. And with that in mind, it is okay that quests are the same.

quote: In fact, I don't remember any quests that weren't like that.

There's also "Explore this area/cave/dungeon"

quote: It's a good place to learn your skills, and to practice new ones learned. However, few MMORPGs have significant levels of new skills to learn after a few months of playing (well, after say 150-200 hours playing). PvE after that point is useful for gaining small amounts of gold and/or raw materials in some games ... and PvP skills usually vary quite dramatically from PvE, once you have the basics down. (In most games, not all.)

Sure, the future is in PvP, but that's in the nature of the game. Persons provide a better opponent than AI, it has always been like that, and I don't see that changing in the near future.

Asmodean

	04-04-2005 17:42									#317
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quote: Originally posted by Asmodean You're a hard man to satisfy, Ludd. Yeah...all quests are basically the same, but so far, I don't mind. This game provides atmosphere, in a big way. And with that in mind, it is okay that quests are the same.

Just saying... My first character was alliance, and I enjoyed it alot. My second character was Horde, and I enjoyed it alot. My third character, however, wasn't half as fun as the other two, because I had done all the quests already.

	04-04-2005 22:29									#318
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The quests are fine in WoW I think. You are constantly moving to new areas and facing new challenges so it works.

	06-04-2005 01:29									#319
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So, I'm level 11 now. I have just arrived in Ironforge, after a quick stopover in the town of Thelsamar in Loch Modan. I must say that Ironforge is huge. The screenie is of The Great Forge, with me in the foreground.

I have been soloing until now, as I want to get good at this, before I team up with somebody, as to not embarass myself. GREAT GAME!!!!



Asmodean

	06-04-2005 01:40									#320
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Which talent tree are you going to specialize in?

	06-04-2005 01:45									#321
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As for grouping...you're a warrior, so your role is to "tank".

You'll draw "aggro" (get monsters to hate you), so they hit you and not anyone else, like the "squishies" (mage, priest, etc). You have more health and more armor, so it makes sense for them to hit you.

Ideally you'll want to team with a healer of some sort...Paladin, Druid, Priest. It's still possible to play with others successfully, just can be a bit trickier.

Make liberal use of taunt and such to make sure the mobs attack you, not your group.

	06-04-2005 01:51									#322
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The best warrior skill is Mortal Strike - spec for that and get the highest max damage (not dps) weapon you can find.

On another note, noggenfogger elixir + deviate fish = a freakin tiny mounted warlock. If only I'd had a gnomish shrink ray I think he would have dissappeared.

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	06-04-2005 01:52									#323
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One more w/o the mount, so you can really see how tiny he is.

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	06-04-2005 01:58									#324
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And as long as we're posting screens of our guy... here you go, the mad Russian himself

I'm lvl 58 right now, but I'm willing to bet I would still whoop up on Asher in pvp .

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	06-04-2005 04:25									#325
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Shaman?

I hope you're a frost-shock spamming whore, they're my favorite to asskick.

	06-04-2005 04:45									#326
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Polymorph rules.

	06-04-2005 16:49									#327
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Shaman? I hope you're a frost-shock spamming whore, they're my favorite to asskick.

I looked at your allakhazam profile. You aren't even close to being in the same class as me. You'd be lucky to get me below 60% health in a duel.

For the record, I picked a random class/race when I started. I didn't purposely go shaman so I could spam frost shock FTW. Besides, as a pally you should be way more concerned with my purge than my frost shock, but I guess then I would have to assume that you actually know how to play your class correctly . My experience is that only about 5% of players actually understand how to play well, and the ratio gets even worse with pallies, all night elves, hunters, and (yes I agree) shamans.

	06-04-2005 16:55									#328
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Apologies to Asher.
I reread my post and I'm being an *******. I don't mean it. I actually just finished running LBRS with IDIOTS and I guess I'm in a bad mood. One guy (a retarded shaman, yep) actually said, and I quote, "no offence [sic] to anyone but the tauren dance is like a female negro dance."

Sometimes I wish I could just reach out and slap people for being stupid.

	06-04-2005 18:31									#329
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I don't really mind purge, the blessings don't make that big of a difference. I like it when the Shamans use it, it wastes their mana faster than mine.

If I had a dime every time a Shaman ghost-wolfed to run away...

	06-04-2005 23:02									#330
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Which talent tree are you going to specialize in?

Arms, I think. I have picked my first two talent points in arms. Then perhaps fury. I'm just not a defensive person

Asmodean