26-03-2005 17:16									#241
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike That's odd though. I have no credit card, but my normal debit card can be used to make VISA payments. I've used it for City of Heroes for instance, straight to an American company.

Yeah...okay. I know what you mean now. We have those in Denmark too. But my bank (which BTW is the largest bank in Denmark) doesn't offer that option

Oh well...guess I'll just have to splash for the pre-paid card too.

Asmodean

	26-03-2005 19:07									#242
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That is quite annoying since you might hate it on the free month. Are you sure there is no other option?

	26-03-2005 20:36									#243
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This has been an issue that's be complained about since the initial release.

	27-03-2005 03:26									#244
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I played about 2 weeks and just cancelled my subscription. The game is mighty repetitive.

	27-03-2005 03:30									#245
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I may cancel my subscription when my month is up. We'll see.

	27-03-2005 03:39									#246
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I don't like how there is no risk to anything in the game. You die and nothing bad happens except having to either run to your corpse, or take a temporary stat hit. You should at least be partly lootable.

	27-03-2005 03:53									#247
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If it bothers you destroy your best bit of equipment when you die.

	27-03-2005 13:42									#248
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quote: Originally posted by dudemanjack I don't like how there is no risk to anything in the game. You die and nothing bad happens except having to either run to your corpse, or take a temporary stat hit. You should at least be partly lootable.

That's one reason it works. The game would totally suck if you die and can be looted...you have no idea how often you die in the PvP game.

	27-03-2005 14:17									#249
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I don't know... Diablo 2 was just as pointless, or even more so. But Diablo 2 is more fun. . Maybe I'll re-install the game.

	27-03-2005 14:40									#250
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well anyways, I'm going to start a new character. This one will be a shaman. we'll see how I like that character.

	27-03-2005 16:31									#251
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Thing is Diss, it's acknowledged that the game kicks in around level 20 or so. If you keep going over the same (or similar if you switch sides etc) early ground you might get more bored. Find something you like and stick with it.

	27-03-2005 18:24									#252
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike That is quite annoying since you might hate it on the free month. Are you sure there is no other option?

None that I can think of. But I'll go for it anyway, since I have researched this game to death now, and just want to go ahead and play it.

It annoys me that Blizzard have done it this way, but I badly want to play this game now, so if it has to be that way, then so be it.

Asmodean

	27-03-2005 18:29									#253
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They probably thought that too.

Hehe, in all seriousness the gamecards are much bigger in America than Europe I think, so it seems more normal to use them I guess.

	27-03-2005 19:45									#254
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quote: Originally posted by Asher That's one reason it works. The game would totally suck if you die and can be looted...you have no idea how often you die in the PvP game.

In shadowbane you could loot everything that wasn't equiped. Worked pretty well.

	27-03-2005 20:43									#255
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quote: Originally posted by Asher That's one reason it works. The game would totally suck if you die and can be looted...you have no idea how often you die in the PvP game.

I've played MMORPG's where you can die and be looted (Ultima Online). Once you take that away the game is so easy. It also makes PVP rather dumb because no matter how many times you kill someone they can just keep coming back fully equiped.

That is probably the main reason why I quit. What's the point of doing the level grind to PVP when there is no reward for PVP?

To make it this way, you'd have to make some changes of course, like making non-magical items much cheaper so it doesn't take a week to get back enough items to compete.

	27-03-2005 21:21									#256
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Hummm, well, I was doing research a little bit, and it looks from WoW forums that people with the same laptop as me have severe problems playing the game. Has something to do with nVidia having lousy drivers for mobile video cards and the game looking like ass or not working at all. So I guess I'll have to either skip this one or wait for a patch...

	27-03-2005 22:17									#257
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quote: That is probably the main reason why I quit. What's the point of doing the level grind to PVP when there is no reward for PVP?

The rewards from PvP come not from looting your opponent equipment, but from the ranking system they put in place. The better your rank, the better special rewards you have access to, including a lot of high-end equipment that no one else can have. It's a tiered system, so really only about 1 in 1000 people on a server may have the highest level of reward, thus making incredibly competative to get that rank.

	28-03-2005 00:07									#258
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd In shadowbane you could loot everything that wasn't equiped. Worked pretty well.

So you got the 'b' equipment.

	28-03-2005 00:10									#259
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quote: Originally posted by ZargonX The rewards from PvP come not from looting your opponent equipment, but from the ranking system they put in place. The better your rank, the better special rewards you have access to, including a lot of high-end equipment that no one else can have. It's a tiered system, so really only about 1 in 1000 people on a server may have the highest level of reward, thus making incredibly competative to get that rank.

I've been reading a lot about this. It seems a little odd to me at present. You only get to keep any rewards as long as you keep your rank. Go away on holiday for 3 weeks and come back and you can't use some of your stuff, and your titles are gone. At least if I understand the plans correctly anyway.

Plus, rewarding the top PvPers with the best stuff seems to make it easier for them to keep other players down.

	28-03-2005 01:04									#260
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike So you got the 'b' equipment.

The 'b' equipment was always kept in the bank, of course. The loot rules where mostly good for killing hunting parties or people alone in the wilderness, not for PvP fights where both parties are out looking for it.

But the best thing is that when someone was sieging your city, they need to unequip their primary weapon in order to use a siege hammer. A favorite tactic was to get a good thef to go around their ranks and nick their weapons while they where smashing walls or buildings, sometimes just destroying the stolen weapon on the spot so that there's no chance of them being cought later and the weapons found.

Alot of really awsome weapons have been stolen that way.

	28-03-2005 01:07									#261
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Plus, rewarding the top PvPers with the best stuff seems to make it easier for them to keep other players down.

But when people see them coming down the road wearing their "crown of pwnage", they'll run and organize a group to take him down imediately.

	28-03-2005 01:46									#262
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actually I have a question. Which class requires the least amount of equipment to be successful? I hate looking for equipment (one of my few gripes about Diablo 2).

	28-03-2005 02:37									#263
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident actually I have a question. Which class requires the least amount of equipment to be successful? I hate looking for equipment (one of my few gripes about Diablo 2).

Mage, priest...warlock.

	28-03-2005 03:08									#264
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd The 'b' equipment was always kept in the bank, of course. The loot rules where mostly good for killing hunting parties or people alone in the wilderness, not for PvP fights where both parties are out looking for it. But the best thing is that when someone was sieging your city, they need to unequip their primary weapon in order to use a siege hammer. A favorite tactic was to get a good thef to go around their ranks and nick their weapons while they where smashing walls or buildings, sometimes just destroying the stolen weapon on the spot so that there's no chance of them being cought later and the weapons found. Alot of really awsome weapons have been stolen that way.

Go on Fred, you siege it first.

	28-03-2005 03:10									#265
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd But when people see them coming down the road wearing their "crown of pwnage", they'll run and organize a group to take him down imediately.

One would hope so. However, the probable outcome is collusion amongst the top players and their guild to make sure that doesn't happen.

	29-03-2005 22:09									#266
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I don't like the time the downtimes are. It's bad for lunchbreaks.

	29-03-2005 22:26									#267
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Yeah, Blizzard encourages you to play when you should work, and eat when you should eat

Asmodean

	29-03-2005 22:32									#268
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quote: Originally posted by Asmodean Yeah, Blizzard encourages you to play when you should work, and eat when you should eat

Maybe it's just that everything crashes when Blizzard people leave to lunch...

	29-03-2005 22:33									#269
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I'm downloading the patch for WoW as I type, and soon I'll get to play it!

	29-03-2005 22:39									#270
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quote: Originally posted by vovan Maybe it's just that everything crashes when Blizzard people leave to lunch...

There is a scheduled downtime every Tuesday morning for maintenance.

This downtime is slightly longer than usual because they're "hotfixing" some server code (server-side patch).

In other news, I got my first armorset piece...Lightforge Spaulders of the Lightforge Armorset.

I'm making a Stratholme and Upper Blackrock Spire run tonight, here's hoping for the helm and breastplate.