15-03-2005 01:56									#1
	4 year old shoots younger brother- intentionally! Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

http://www.click2houston.com/news/4...d=22100412&qs=1;bp=t

You can call this an accident, but I do not. why? Because the 2 boys were fighting. Obviously the kid knew the gun would do some kind of damage to prevent the other kid from throwing things at him.

could this be the youngest person ever to shoot somone (the little brother isn't dead-yet)?

Whatcha think?

Even though the kid did do this intentionally, he still have no ability to determine the consequences of his actions. You can't charge the kid.

Should they charge the mother?

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	15-03-2005 01:58									#2
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absolutely they should charge the mother

	15-03-2005 02:03									#3
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charge her with what?

she has never harmed her kids... kid got a gun. Charge her, send her away??? now the other kids life is screwed and the state pays to raise this kid. yeah, that's what we need.

	15-03-2005 02:07									#4
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child endangerment. That's the only thing you can charge her with.

and the kid can live with the grandparents- that's where the kid is now.

	15-03-2005 02:08									#5
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I know I would not want to pay for this mother to be in jail. Too many darn people in jail now for stupid things.

	15-03-2005 02:10									#6
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That's horrible. Obviously a 4 year old might be unable to realise what extent of damage a gun can do. Some 4 year olds don't even realise what death is. Assuming the younger kid survives, I hope they can both live with it later.

	15-03-2005 02:11									#7
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quote: Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV charge her with what?

child endangerment

quote: she has never harmed her kids...

by leaving a loaded gun around, she did harm her kids

quote: kid got a gun. Charge her, send her away??? now the other kids life is screwed and the state pays to raise this kid. yeah, that's what we need.

rather the state raise the kid than some irresponsible parent who leaves loaded guns laying around...

	15-03-2005 02:14									#8
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well than throw everyone in jail. she just happened to be the one who had this happen to her. how many - near misses - happened yesterday?!?

It's ok to leave a loaded gun around - as long as no one gets hurt. That works... gezzz.

	15-03-2005 02:15									#9
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How about fix the crime where she lived????? i guess no one has thought about that yet - or maybe that would cost too much. it's cheaper to f* over a whole family.

	15-03-2005 02:16									#10
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quote: Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV I know I would not want to pay for this mother to be in jail. Too many darn people in jail now for stupid things.

so the law comes down to money now?

	15-03-2005 02:18									#11
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quote: Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV How about fix the crime where she lived????? i guess no one has thought about that yet - or maybe that would cost too much. it's cheaper to f* over a whole family.

the mother endangered the lives of her children by leaving that around... she committed a crime and should go to jail.

from the article:

quote: The agency has placed the older boy with a grandparent.

the "state" isn't going to be raising this child... next strawman?

	15-03-2005 02:19									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident so the law comes down to money now?

it has always come down to money. why do you think they let people out early? just to be nice??

	15-03-2005 02:19									#13
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Fry the little bastard.

	15-03-2005 02:20									#14
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S*** and it had to happen in texas. I agree Im not sure a 4 yo knows what death is. However what was that mother thinking with the gun and in reach of a small child?

	15-03-2005 02:22									#15
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well... one thing is sure... the state will waste untold amounts of money sending this through the system. and in the end - nothing will change. you'll read about this again. the mother is screwed with a record and the state will supply for the kids (to her, the grandparents or whoever else gets the kid), the other kid gets his mom taken away and the already stressed prison system gets another 'hardened criminal'. yeah, way to go!

	15-03-2005 02:24									#16
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quote: Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV well... one thing is sure... the state will waste untold amounts of money sending this through the system. and in the end - nothing will change. you'll read about this again. the mother is screwed with a record and the state will supply for the kids (to her, the grandparents or whoever else gets the kid), the other kid gets his mom taken away and the already stressed prison system gets another 'hardened criminal'. yeah, way to go!

yeah we should just do away with the justice system altogether... let's let criminals run free! thing would be much better off that way.

	15-03-2005 02:32									#17
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Got a question for all what would any of you do if this was your child and wife?

	15-03-2005 02:34									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Got a question for all what would any of you do if this was your child and wife?

1. I wouldn't have a gun in the house if I had a child... period.

2. I wouldn't marry someone that irresponsible.

	15-03-2005 02:39									#19
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I say charge the mother and the kid who fired the gun. If he knew what he was doing and the harm it could inflict charges should be filed.

	15-03-2005 02:52									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo I say charge the mother and the kid who fired the gun. If he knew what he was doing and the harm it could inflict charges should be filed.

Seriously how could you prove the 4 yo old knew what harm he was gonna cause?

	15-03-2005 02:53									#21
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at Giannie claiming we should charge a 4 year-old

	15-03-2005 02:58									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Seriously how could you prove the 4 yo old knew what harm he was gonna cause?

I'm going by what Dissident said. On second thought, I don't think I ever should do that.

	15-03-2005 03:05									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo I'm going by what Dissident said. On second thought, I don't think I ever should do that.

charges against the mother yes gian not the kid.

	15-03-2005 03:15									#24
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse at Giannie claiming we should charge a 4 year-old

actually I would like to see it for the hilarity in the courtroom. They'd have to show pokeman cartoons to keep the kid from falling asleep.

	15-03-2005 03:16									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo I'm going by what Dissident said. On second thought, I don't think I ever should do that.

good idea.

just read more carefully. the kid obviously wanted to get back at his brother for throwing toys at him. It was intentional. But he still had no clue what he was doing.

	15-03-2005 03:18									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident good idea. just read more carefully. the kid obviously wanted to get back at his brother for throwing toys at him. It was intentional. But he still had no clue what he was doing.

Good thing my parents didnt keep loaded weapons in our house my two sisters and brother might not be here today if this is all over throwing toys.

	15-03-2005 03:19									#27
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By law the child is too young to be held criminally liable. If anyone can be cahrged with anything it is the child's mother.

	15-03-2005 03:21									#28
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I have one more thing I want to point out.

How does a 4 year old know how to use a gun?

It seems to me the mother had to have let her child see violent tv, games, or movies. Not that these should be illegal, but just pointing out that the mother is no saint who just "forgot" about her gun.

	15-03-2005 03:23									#29
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Ok ill ask you diss do you know how to use a gun? I dont and if I had to id pick it up and point it and close my eyes.

	15-03-2005 03:35									#30
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Meh, one of those things unfortauntely . Kid was too young to be accountable, I don't think blaming anyone would do any good. These things happen.