15-03-2005 14:47									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger What are you talking about? People kill people, guns don't

guns do kill people. We just read about it in this thread.

the little kid obviously didn't do it. He just wanted to stop his little brother from throwing toys, he didn't want to actually kill him.

	15-03-2005 15:19									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Its very clear that populations which have less access to guns have less gun deaths. We tightened our gun laws after the Port Arthur massacre and we haven't had a mass killing since. That was like 10 years ago.

Wrong . There are countries with gun penetration much higher than the USA , yet they have almost no violent gun crime .

	15-03-2005 16:06									#93
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Finland comes to mind. However all of these countries will likely be ethnically homogenous and have next to no immigration and where people with in the country rarely move. Why does this matter? Because it means a common culture respecting guns can be created and most people live near their families and/or people they've known all their lives.

	15-03-2005 18:07									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Finland comes to mind. However all of these countries will likely be ethnically homogenous and have next to no immigration and where people with in the country rarely move. Why does this matter? Because it means a common culture respecting guns can be created and most people live near their families and/or people they've known all their lives.

Don't Switzerland and Finland have compulsory service in the militia? Aren't a large portion of the guns in private homes actually government owned military weapons? Maybe the militias of those countries make an extra effort to convince their members not to take government property for personal use. The knowledge that the weapon is traceable might also be a deterrent.

	15-03-2005 19:23									#95
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How many american households actually own a weapon for personal protection or some other reason (not hunting)? Is there any numbers? AFAIK USA is the nation in the western world with the highest number of privately owned weapons. Those european countries were there is some sort of Home Guard/National Guard it´s the military that owns the weapons and the guardsmen are just borrowing them. Also in Sweden you can choose if you want to have a weapon in your house or not.

But I also think the big difference between Europe and the US is in peoples attitude towards weapons and how the society works. I think people feel safer in Europe and therefore have no need to buy guns for personal protection. And since there are fewer guns in circulation gun related crimes are fairly uncommon. Gun related accidents are even more uncommon not to say almost non-existent.

	15-03-2005 22:25									#96
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The mother should be charged exactly like any mother who leaves dangerous household products at children's reach. This accident is little different than when a kid dies of poisoning because he drank the cleaning product. A gun is yet another dangerous item in a household that is already chock-full of them. It's the parent's duty to protect their children from these dangers, and the mother utterly failed. She should be charged for her negligence, but I don't think she deserves special treatment in comparison to other negligent parents.

	15-03-2005 22:34									#97
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There are alot of things that need to looked at before you fry the woman. Like whos gun was it, who showed the kids were it is kept. Is there a father involved here? The ngeilence of any parent always needs to be looked at. Is this her first time of not paying attention to her kids. I personnally dont own a gun. I didnt even buy toy guns for my kids. Neither did my mother. Now that they are older I have let them use the super soakers.

	15-03-2005 23:32									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Wealth redistribution is the most hideous types of ideas I have ever heard.

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	15-03-2005 23:37									#99
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Crime doesnt just happen to the poor you know. The rich commit just as many crimes. They usually just dont get their hands dirty.

	16-03-2005 00:54									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo AND YET ANOTHER BS STATEMENT. You must be following Michael Moore. Though more crimes are committed in the US this is because one thing: There are more people in this country. And secondly, the US is jailing people mainly for crimes unrelated to guns. In Japan violent crime with knives is a huge problem. Again gun control doesn't solve ****. You are full of cop outs. Also Canadians have a surprising amount of guns. Again gun control doesn't solve ****.

You are such a moron. Here is a comparison of guns per head of population between the USA and Canada and the differencesin gun related crime.

The USA has 76 million handguns, Canada 1 million. The differences in death rates and crime rates from guns are staggering.

http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/Cda-US.htm

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quote: [SIZE=1] Originally posted by Alexander's The USA has 76 million handguns, Canada 1 million. The differences in death rates and crime rates are staggering. http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/Cda-US.htm

With all the similarities between the two countries, the differences in this regard are stunning.

	16-03-2005 01:15									#102
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quote: Originally posted by aneeshm Wrong . There are countries with gun penetration much higher than the USA , yet they have almost no violent gun crime .

No you are wrong. The US has the highest number of guns per head not just in Western countries but in the world

That paragon of modern democracy Yemen is coming second

From a recent global report

quote: America is now estimated to have between 238 million and 276 million firearms, compared with some 250 million legally owned guns, or 84 for every 100 people recorded in a July 2001 survey. "By any measure the United States is the most armed country in the world," it said. "With roughly 83 to 96 guns per 100 people, the United States is approaching a statistical level of one gun per person."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0709-03.htm

You are closing in on one gun per person?????

	16-03-2005 02:25									#103
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most of you Apolytoners make more than I do. I suppose none of you would mind if I came to your house and took a few things.

	16-03-2005 02:26									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil With all the similarities between the two countries, the differences in this regard are stunning.

Canadians are not violent like americans. In essence, they are pansies and wusses.

present company excluded of course.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident most of you Apolytoners make more than I do. I suppose none of you would mind if I came to your house and took a few things.

You dont have to come and take them Just ask if I dont need or use you can have it. And not right as of tomorrow as far as making money My contract at work was canceled today so im unemployed as of this moment.

	16-03-2005 02:36									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Canadians are not violent like americans. In essence, they are pansies and wusses.

Wait till summer. We're too busy smoking pot and trying to stay warm most of the year.

quote: present company excluded of course.

Of course.

	16-03-2005 02:39									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Canadians are not violent like americans. In essence, they are pansies and wusses. present company excluded of course.

And thet my friend is sterotyping.

	16-03-2005 02:43									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski And thet my friend is sterotyping.

not necessarily.

Take away all gun related crimes, and I can gurantee that americans committ more crimes than Canadians.

We are a violent people, our culture is more violent, we watch more violent movies, play more violent video games, etc. We shoot explosive devices on the 4th of july. We have a violent national anthem.

	16-03-2005 02:47									#109
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so are you saying that canadians dont watch violent movies they dont play violent games etc or the fact that fire works dont exist in canada

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He has a point Mrs Tubs, though he exaggerates it I think....

Our cultures are very similar in many respects but I would agree with Diss - we are a tad less violent.

	16-03-2005 02:53									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski so are you saying that canadians dont watch violent movies they dont play violent games etc or the fact that fire works dont exist in canada

I'm not saying those are causes of violence. In truth, I can't explain why we are more violent. But the numbers don't lie.

As I've said, you can take away the availability of guns issue, and I'm certain we have more knife attacks etc.

and you'd think the cold weather would make more people agitated. I guess not.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin It must be passed both houses of Congress by a 2/3 majority, be signed by the President, then ratified by 2/3 of the states.

I think it needs to be ratified by 3/4 of the states, actually...

	16-03-2005 02:56									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident and you'd think the cold weather would make more people agitated. I guess not.

A better argument could be made for the opposite. The cold makes us more sedate. The heat gets americans riled up.

	16-03-2005 02:56									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil He has a point Mrs Tubs, though he exaggerates it I think.... Our cultures are very similar in many respects but I would agree with Diss - we are a tad less violent.

While I dont disagree that he might have a point. I diagree with the fact that he said americans tend to be more violent. Perhaps his ideas have to do with the fact that the us has more people in it. And their violence is more publicized.

	16-03-2005 02:57									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil A better argument could be made for the opposite. The cold makes us more sedate. The heat gets americans riled up.

that could explain why people in the middle east are even more riled up than we are.

	16-03-2005 03:17									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I'm not saying those are causes of violence. In truth, I can't explain why we are more violent. But the numbers don't lie. As I've said, you can take away the availability of guns issue, and I'm certain we have more knife attacks etc. and you'd think the cold weather would make more people agitated. I guess not.

For 2003 number of murders by weapon per 100 000 in the US (in Canada in brackets)

Firearm: 3.38 (0.52)
Knife: 0.64 (0.46)
Blunt object/beating: 0.56 (0.39)
Strangulation/asphyxiation: 0.12 (0.20)
Fire/explosives: 0.06 (0.04)
Other/unknown: 0.30 (0.16)

Total: 5.05 (1.77)

Please note that while the Canadian statistics include all murder and manslaughter charges the US statistics do not. There are ~2000 nonnegligent manslaughter charges not included in the US statistics by weapon, which brings the US total murder rate to 5.7 per 100 000 inhabitants.

	16-03-2005 03:19									#117
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So strangulation is the canadian way?

	16-03-2005 03:23									#118
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Also note that in the US 80% of murders using a firearm more specifically used a handgun. Recent figures are not available to me currently for Canada, but historically the number hovers around 40-45%.

	16-03-2005 03:30									#119
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This would make the US murder rate by longarms ~0.67 and the Canadian rate ~0.31

The major difference is therefore in the murder rate by handguns

US: ~2.71
Canada: ~0.21

All the other numbers are comparable (in general lower in Canada by ~30%). That one sticks out like a sore thumb (13 times as high)

	16-03-2005 03:56									#120
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For all the canadians I must ask this. are the indian reservation crime stats included with the totals of the rest of the population.