15-03-2005 03:43									#31
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Where on Earth did he get the gun? Find whoever was leaving guns around in reach of damn four year olds and they deserve some accountability.

	15-03-2005 03:54									#32
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Where on Earth did he get the gun? Find whoever was leaving guns around in reach of damn four year olds and they deserve some accountability.

	15-03-2005 03:57									#33
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quote: they deserve some accountability.

Fair enough. But it's just an accident and these things, tragic as they may be, happen. The danger is that we all start painting the mother or whoever as some kind of devil where in reality we've all made similar mistakes that *could* have lead to a similar tragedy. The only difference here is bad luck .

	15-03-2005 04:05									#34
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Well, this is another glorious triumph for the NRA and the second ammendment...

	15-03-2005 04:08									#35
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i Believe you have the right to own a gun. Only requirement i expect is that you keep it were your kids or others cant get it.

	15-03-2005 04:15									#36
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You have to understand just how annoying younger brothers can be.

	15-03-2005 04:17									#37
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I donīt see the necessity in owning a gun. As I see it guns create more violence and accidents than they prevent.

	15-03-2005 04:19									#38
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A gun isn't a blender or remote control, it's a dangerous thing intended to harm or kill, so if you can't handle it with the nessecary respect, then you shouldn't be allowed to own one or if **** like this happens, then you as the owner is responsible and must take the punishment.

I know that there are room for a lot in a ladies purse, but NOT an unsecured gun (sorry if I offend somebody ). Either they are locked in or under control of the owner, otherwise it's disrespect of the danger such a thing is and a person without that shouldn't be allowed to own one.

	15-03-2005 04:22									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse You have to understand just how annoying younger brothers can be.

Here here!

	15-03-2005 04:23									#40
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I think if the mother is willing to give up having a gun, the kids would be better off being raised by her.

	15-03-2005 04:23									#41
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Black Cat, you shouldnīt handle it at all. There, problem solved!

	15-03-2005 04:32									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X Black Cat, you shouldnīt handle it at all. There, problem solved!

I know, but think of all those that will loose thier jobs in the jail business when crime goes down if that should happen .

	15-03-2005 04:43									#43
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Oh, yes the booming american prison industry... Now we canīt have peace and tranquillity interfering with business interests, can we?

	15-03-2005 04:45									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X Well, this is another glorious triumph for the NRA and the second ammendment...

Never forget: the second amendment always trumps the first.

	15-03-2005 04:45									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X Well, this is another glorious triumph for the NRA and the second ammendment...

Never forget: the second amendment always trumps the first.

	15-03-2005 04:49									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Sava absolutely they should charge the mother

Who ever the hell left a loaded gun around two small children needs to be sterilized to prevent further contamination of the gene pool then they need to be locked away for the rest of their life where they'll have to toss salads for buba.

	15-03-2005 04:50									#47
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Being a non US cit. can you please in a few word tell what the first and second amendment states ?

	15-03-2005 04:52									#48
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quote: Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV charge her with what? she has never harmed her kids... kid got a gun. Charge her, send her away??? now the other kids life is screwed and the state pays to raise this kid. yeah, that's what we need.

A gun owner is responsible for safe guarding the gun, keeping it out of the reach of children, and supervising anyone who uses it. If you own a gun and you keep it loaded in a place where children can access it then you are utterly (I'd say criminally) liable.

	15-03-2005 04:53									#49
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Being a non US cit. can you please in a few word tell what the first and second amendment states ?

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

	15-03-2005 04:57									#50
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Being a non US cit. can you please in a few word tell what the first and second amendment states ?

The first amendment guarentees the freedom of speech, assembly, the press and religion. The second amendment guarentees the right to bear arms.

In recent years there have been a number of instances in which prominent gun control advocates have been murdered. In some cases the gun-nut perps have been apprehended, in others the crimes remain unsolved.

	15-03-2005 05:10									#51
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Thanx both. Have I misunderstood something or are the second a rigth to bear arms against exterior enemies ? Or in other words, the amendment doesn't warrant a rigth to wear arms against US citizens ?

	15-03-2005 05:16									#52
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Thanx both. Have I misunderstood something or are the second a rigth to bear arms against exterior enemies ? Or in other words, the amendment doesn't warrant a rigth to wear arms against US citizens ?

Nope, it only specifies the right to bear arms. It leaves the question of the identity of the victim completely up to the bearer. Man, now that's liberty.

	15-03-2005 05:16									#53
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That's the classic argument. The reasonable people understand the ammendment speaks about the need for "a well regulated militia" while the gun nuts insist that they have a constitutional right to own an M1A2 tank, RPGs, and rocket launchers.

	15-03-2005 05:16									#54
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Irresponsible gun owners

They ruin it for everyone elese.

	15-03-2005 05:27									#55
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Just out of curiosity - what would it take to make a new amendment that specifies that the gunbearing rigth only was against external threats ?

	15-03-2005 05:33									#56
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It must be passed both houses of Congress by a 2/3 majority, be signed by the President, then ratified by 2/3 of the states.

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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Thanx both. Have I misunderstood something or are the second a rigth to bear arms against exterior enemies ? Or in other words, the amendment doesn't warrant a rigth to wear arms against US citizens ?

The second ammendment has never been upheld in the way the gun rights advocates have interpreted it by the Supreme Court, who really has not said one way or the other on this issue, so your interpretation could be the correct one. It very well may only apply to a well regulated government approaved militia force.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin It must be passed by both houses of Congress by a 2/3 majority, signed by the President, then ratified by 2/3 of the states.

Ouch !!! That make a stable system, but also makes it difficult to change short term desicions made under totally different circumstances.

	15-03-2005 05:44									#59
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quote: The second ammendment has never been upheld in the way the gun rights advocates have interpreted it by the Supreme Court, who really has not said one way or the other on this issue, so your interpretation could be the correct one. It very well may only apply to a well regulated government approaved militia force.

Which is why many states get away with severly resricting gun priviliges. Which Im not against mind you, there are a lot of dumb asses who dont deserve to own a gun.

	15-03-2005 05:45									#60
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Ok ok.. don't charge the kid.. yes I do realize he is not accountable because he didn't know what he was doing. He wanted the toys back but he had no idea a gun could end a life. ****ing mother... she sounds like the biggest imbecile there is alive.