15-03-2005 05:56									#61
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Ouch !!! That make a stable system, but also makes it difficult to change short term desicions made under totally different circumstances.

Regular laws are easy to pass but by intent the Constitution is difficult to change.

	15-03-2005 06:25									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Regular laws are easy to pass but by intent the Constitution is difficult to change.

I was maybe too hasty - If you want to make a change to the danish "grundlov" you have to have majority in the current elected government - make an general election for a new government and if they still accept the original proposition, then a public vote has to accept this with a minimum of 40 % of the total voters. Not that easy either

	15-03-2005 07:20									#63
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Its really important to disarm the population. Then you can disarm the police. Then little kids don't get shot.

	15-03-2005 07:58									#64
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That's a cop out argument done by AH... it proves nothing. There are plenty of unregistered guns out there and you can't get rid of them all. And the right to bear arms is vital.,

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AH is throwing a grenade but he's right.

	15-03-2005 08:01									#66
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less guns

	15-03-2005 08:01									#67
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Only CTU should be carrying guns.

	15-03-2005 08:04									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Only CTU should be carrying guns.

ZOMFG DID YOU SEE JACK BAUER PWN THOSE COMMANDOS?>

	15-03-2005 08:04									#69
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I still got 2 hours till it's on but can't wait to see massive PWNAGE!!!!!!!!!

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin That's the classic argument. The reasonable people understand the ammendment speaks about the need for "a well regulated militia" while the gun nuts insist that they have a constitutional right to own an M1A2 tank, RPGs, and rocket launchers.

Reasonable people? Reasonable people? Aha ha ha aha ha ha ha ha ha ha ahhaaaahahahahahahahaha! We're talking about gun control here boy. There ain't no reasonable people on the "against" side. How many gun control advocates have been murdered in the past two decades?

	15-03-2005 08:09									#71
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James Brady came close

http://www.handguncontrol.org/

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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo That's a cop out argument done by AH... it proves nothing. There are plenty of unregistered guns out there and you can't get rid of them all. And the right to bear arms is vital.,

This is a BS argument. OH, lots of guns on the loose, lets get more out there. A simple question : how many guns are produced and how many are destroyed due to criminal activity ?

In a few years after a stop, the amount of illegal weapons will drop drastically and so will gun related crime.

	15-03-2005 08:16									#73
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There is a "cool" new handgun (Five-seveN Pistol) manufactured by our Belgian friends, that went on sale to the US last year. This small hangun has the power of a rifle and can penetrate several layers of kevlar, thus defeating body armor. It is as concealable as a handgun yet has the power of a rifle.

California is the only place where it is banned.

Now who in the hell really needs this gun???

quote: Q: Are there states where this gun and ammunition are already illegal? A: This gun and its ammunition are not legal to be sold in California under Title 2.6 of the Penal Code, Section 12320, which forbids handgun ammunition designed primarily to penetrate metal or armor.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/ler/fnh/faq.php

	15-03-2005 08:41									#74
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat This is a BS argument. OH, lots of guns on the loose, lets get more out there. A simple question : how many guns are produced and how many are destroyed due to criminal activity ? In a few years after a stop, the amount of illegal weapons will drop drastically and so will gun related crime.

This is typical crap... people will use other methods.. like knives.. wanna ban knives now? what about hit and run cases? wanna ban cars?

	15-03-2005 08:57									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Sava 1. I wouldn't have a gun in the house if I had a child... period. 2. I wouldn't marry someone that irresponsible.

I take it, you do not support having a gun.

	15-03-2005 09:15									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki Fry the little bastard.

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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo This is typical crap... people will use other methods.. like knives.. wanna ban knives now? what about hit and run cases? wanna ban cars?

Absolutely true. Crime results from socioeconomic reasons (i.e. lack of wealth redistribution).

	15-03-2005 09:27									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Joseph I take it, you do not support having a gun.

I own two, but that's besides the point.

	15-03-2005 09:30									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Absolutely true. Crime results from socioeconomic reasons (i.e. lack of wealth redistribution).

Wealth redistribution is the most hideous types of ideas I have ever heard.

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Are you f****** kidding me wealth disturbition. Oh next thing I hear Crime happens cause the ***** deserved it

	15-03-2005 10:04									#81
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progressive taxation

	15-03-2005 10:23									#82
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Its very clear that populations which have less access to guns have less gun deaths. We tightened our gun laws after the Port Arthur massacre and we haven't had a mass killing since. That was like 10 years ago.

	15-03-2005 12:42									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Fair enough. But it's just an accident and these things, tragic as they may be, happen. The danger is that we all start painting the mother or whoever as some kind of devil where in reality we've all made similar mistakes that *could* have lead to a similar tragedy. The only difference here is bad luck .

No no no no no no no. We have not all made similar mistakes like this. If the kid had done it with a knife, or with scissors, ok; it's understandable that those things would be accessible. But -- and this is the important part -- the only purpose of a gun is to cause bodily harm. You have an object in the house whose sole purpose is to inflict injury or death, and you leave it where a 4-year-old can get it? That is NOT a mistake even remotely similar to ones "we've all made."

She's not evil. But she's an idiot and a bad, bad parent.

	15-03-2005 12:55									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Its very clear that populations which have less access to guns have less gun deaths. We tightened our gun laws after the Port Arthur massacre and we haven't had a mass killing since. That was like 10 years ago.

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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Its very clear that populations which have less access to guns have less gun deaths. We tightened our gun laws after the Port Arthur massacre and we haven't had a mass killing since. That was like 10 years ago.

This is yet another cop-out. You fail to recognize that the crime rate have skyrocketed in countries that have banned guns (England).

	15-03-2005 13:41									#86
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That is complete rubbish. Crime rates are far lower across the Western world than in the US, as are incarceration rates, where the US rate of jailing people compares with the Old Soviet Union. Think about that!

In many countries like Japan violent crime with firearms is almost non existent. Why? Because of gun control.

Compare the US and Canada. They don't have the gun crime the US has.

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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Ok ill ask you diss do you know how to use a gun? I dont and if I had to id pick it up and point it and close my eyes.

yes I know how to use a gun, I qualified on a .45 and a shotgun in the navy. And before that I fired my brother's berretta (I have a Glock 17 myself).

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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse That is complete rubbish. Crime rates are far lower across the Western world than in the US, as are incarceration rates, where the US rate of jailing people compares with the Old Soviet Union. Think about that! In many countries like Japan violent crime with firearms is almost non existent. Why? Because of gun control. Compare the US and Canada. They don't have the gun crime the US has.

AND YET ANOTHER BS STATEMENT. You must be following Michael Moore. Though more crimes are committed in the US this is because one thing: There are more people in this country. And secondly, the US is jailing people mainly for crimes unrelated to guns.

In Japan violent crime with knives is a huge problem. Again gun control doesn't solve ****.

You are full of cop outs. Also Canadians have a surprising amount of guns. Again gun control doesn't solve ****.

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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Its very clear that populations which have less access to guns have less gun deaths. We tightened our gun laws after the Port Arthur massacre and we haven't had a mass killing since. That was like 10 years ago.

Is it possible AH is right? It's something I can't admit.

	15-03-2005 14:38									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Sava by leaving a loaded gun around, she did harm her kids

What are you talking about? People kill people, guns don't