16-03-2005 04:11									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse No you are wrong. The US has the highest number of guns per head not just in Western countries but in the world That paragon of modern democracy Yemen is coming second From a recent global report http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0709-03.htm You are closing in on one gun per person?????

From what I read the authors of the survey seem to have estimated the number of firearms in the US by adding up the total production of guns from 1899 to the present then subtracting the number of weapons known to have been exported. I have my doubts about the accuracy of their methods. They don't seem to have taken into account that some weapons may have been discarded over the past one hundred years, nor that many of these weapons may have been used by the military and "exported" via means other than traditional commerce! OTOH it doesn't take into account the once fluorishing trade in foreign WW2 weapons via mail order.

	16-03-2005 04:30									#122
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski For all the canadians I must ask this. are the indian reservation crime stats included with the totals of the rest of the population.

Yes.

	16-03-2005 04:42									#123
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Well then I sit here with my mouth almost closed. But remember I said almost

	16-03-2005 04:43									#124
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Reserves have high murder rates (higher than the US as a whole, but lower than many individual US cities). Their effect on the overall murder rate is rather small, however, given their relatively low population (only 30% of the non-Metis non-Inuit aboriginal population lives on reserves).

	16-03-2005 04:50									#125
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I heard that too. That the indian reserves have hi crime rates there. But that doesnt describe canada as a whole.

	16-03-2005 04:55									#126
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They also have enormous suicide rates and a host of other problems.

	16-03-2005 05:07									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident not necessarily. Take away all gun related crimes, and I can gurantee that americans committ more crimes than Canadians. We are a violent people, our culture is more violent, we watch more violent movies, play more violent video games, etc. We shoot explosive devices on the 4th of july. We have a violent national anthem.

Well that's dubious as well, almost national self delusion. Why do you have all those wimpy sports if that is so?

This article from the New England journal of Medicine points out that the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealnd all share similar cultures and violent histories and yet only the USA has the horrific gun toll today because it doesn't control firearms as effectively as the others.

http://www.vahv.org/NEJM-ed.html

	16-03-2005 07:00									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse You are such a moron. Here is a comparison of guns per head of population between the USA and Canada and the differencesin gun related crime. The USA has 76 million handguns, Canada 1 million. The differences in death rates and crime rates from guns are staggering. http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/Cda-US.htm

What an idiot!

You take a country that has many more millions of people and one that is smaller. You are a selective stooge. And that commondreams site doesn't amount for **** as far as credibility goes.

	16-03-2005 07:02									#129
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Gian didn't even read the link

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Morons are those who are identical to AH and cite these bullshit links with obvious biases in them. Obviously someone could go watch Bowling For Columbine and get a huge shitload of statistical errors.

	16-03-2005 07:07									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Morons are those who are identical to AH and cite these bullshit links with obvious biases in them. Obviously someone could go watch Bowling For Columbine and get a huge shitload of statistical errors.

As opposed to *******s who deny facts and truth, half the time not even bothering to read the information people post in support of their arguments.

	16-03-2005 07:10									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Sava As opposed to *******s who deny facts and truth, half the time not even bothering to read the information people post in support of their arguments.

Information? Disinformation you mean... no.. I don't want to read political indoctrination from bullshit masters on the internet.

	16-03-2005 07:11									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Information? Disinformation you mean... no.. I don't want to read political indoctrination from bullshit masters on the internet.

All I see in AH's link is statistics... if his statistics are wrong, post some of your own. Or else do us all a favor and STFU

	16-03-2005 07:12									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Sava All I see in AH's link is statistics... if his statistics are wrong, post some of your own. Or else do us all a favor and STFU

why don't you STFU and look at the site he is posting from (obvious gun control slants). Fortunately you ****ing *******s aren't taking away my rights to bear arms if I choose to do so.

	16-03-2005 07:13									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo why don't you STFU and look at the site he is posting from (obvious gun control slants). Fortunately you ****ing *******s aren't taking away my rights to bear arms if I choose to do so.

You absolutely should not be able to own a weapon.

	16-03-2005 07:15									#136
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo why don't you STFU and look at the site he is posting from (obvious gun control slants). Fortunately you ****ing *******s aren't taking away my rights to bear arms if I choose to do so.

May so...but he did post a site, whereas...



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YOU CRIMINAL! YOU PROVIDE NOTHING!

	16-03-2005 07:17									#137
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly YOU CRIMINAL! YOU PROVIDE NOTHING!

Gian never provides anything to support his "arguments". Just profanity and elementary school level insults.

	16-03-2005 07:21									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Sava You absolutely should not be able to own a weapon.

Well that's a pity since my dad is giving me his Colt M1911, as he already has another handgun.

	16-03-2005 07:22									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Gian never provides anything to support his "arguments". Just profanity and elementary school level insults.

Why don't you look in the mirror for a change? Maybe you'll notice you are the one pushing insults in a far greater degree then anyone else here.

	16-03-2005 07:27									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Well that's a pity since my dad is giving me his Colt M1911, as he already has another handgun.

My Sig Sauer P226 .357 and Glock 21 .45 are superior weapons.

quote: Maybe you'll notice you are the one pushing insults in a far greater degree then anyone else here.

I'm only insulting your arguments... which is really too easy.

	16-03-2005 07:29									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Sava My Sig Sauer P226 .357 and Glock 21 .45 are superior weapons.

That's because the Colt M1911 is a classic and has been around for many decades (since WWI). It is a .45.

quote: I'm only insulting your arguments... which is really too easy.

Proving you're an idiot in the process...

	16-03-2005 07:31									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo That's because the Colt M1911 is a classic and has been around for many decades (since WWI). It is a .45.

don't you mean, "relic"?

quote: Proving you're an idiot in the process...

I don't need to insult your arguments to prove I'm an idiot.

	16-03-2005 07:44									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Sava don't you mean, "relic"? I don't need to insult your arguments to prove I'm an idiot.

The Colt M1911 is not a bad handgun. It is nice. I fired it before.

	16-03-2005 07:50									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo The Colt M1911 is not a bad handgun. It is nice. I fired it before.

Small round capacity and not a very accurate gun. When you're struggling to reload the thing, I'll still be firing shots as my Glock 21 holds about twice as many .45's as the Colt. Don't get me wrong, it was a magnificent weapon in it's day, but it's overmatched now. I'll probably buy one at some point, though... not for self-defense or target shooting, but just to collect.

I'd really like a WW2 era M1911. But I don't have a job, so my cash flow is not that great.

	16-03-2005 08:20									#145
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo you ****ing *******s aren't taking away my rights to bear arms if I choose to do so.

Much as we would like to, gun control is not about taking away your right to bear arms.

In Australia, I could go and buy a firearm today, no problem at all.

	16-03-2005 08:26									#146
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski You dont have to come and take them Just ask if I dont need or use you can have it. And not right as of tomorrow as far as making money My contract at work was canceled today so im unemployed as of this moment.

Hope you fine work soon. One of my daughter when through this last week. She was hired at another job today.

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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Much as we would like to, gun control is not about taking away your right to bear arms. In Australia, I could go and buy a firearm today, no problem at all.

exactly... it's about sensible gun laws to help protect people... I'm a strong gun control proponent, yet I own 3 firearms (just got my new Sig Sauer yesterday )

	16-03-2005 09:26									#148
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Why do you have all those guns, Sava?

	16-03-2005 09:37									#149
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Why do you have all those guns, Sava?

I dunno... I just like guns. I shoot for leisure... mostly targets, sometimes I shoot clay discs at this place by my house... Sportsmans Park it's called. I spent summers at my godfather's farm in Wisconsin. I learned to shoot when I was really young.

The gun is one of the most important inventions in human history. It is really an intricate part of history, especially in the last 200 years. As the History Channel puts it, "to better understand the gun, is to better understand history".

But as I said earlier in this thread, if I were to have kids, I would not keep any guns in the house. It's terribly irresponsible to have guns in a house with kids. The only responsible way to have a gun in a house with kids is to have it locked in a safe with trigger locks... actually it's better to have it disassembled. But if you keep a gun for self-defense, it's kind of pointless to have it locked up in case of an emergency. That's why I feel it's just better to not have one at all.

But I don't have kids, and probably won't ever have any. So I get to enjoy my hobby.

	16-03-2005 09:48									#150
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Small round capacity and not a very accurate gun. When you're struggling to reload the thing, I'll still be firing shots as my Glock 21 holds about twice as many .45's as the Colt. Don't get me wrong, it was a magnificent weapon in it's day, but it's overmatched now. I'll probably buy one at some point, though... not for self-defense or target shooting, but just to collect. I'd really like a WW2 era M1911. But I don't have a job, so my cash flow is not that great.

Of course it has a small round capacity. And besides who needs more then 8? My dad's Colt dates to WW2. He managed to get one and it is a great weapon. It may be overmatched now, but I'm a good shot.